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  • FluffyTonka
    MVP
    • Feb 2006
    • 1681

    #1

    The Gameplay & Defensive Tips Thread

    I'm loving the game and finding it the best football game ever. So realistic it hurts my brain at times. lol

    I've noticed a few people having some probs, so thought I'd try and help. I've played and coached football irl and played videogame football since Commodore 64 days. haha ... I think I've owned every fifa since they were made on sega mega drive ha more lols

    ok ...


    You have to have a good back four. I'm playing champs football with Nottingham Forest with an average BPL back four or a really elite champs back four.

    to give you an idea of my lineup here it is:

    I play a 4-3-3 on 10 (min halves) like this:

    ..................ST
    ....LW......................RW
    ............CM.......CM
    .................CDM
    ..LB.........CB....CB.........RB

    ST -- Samaras
    LW--Patterson/ RW-- Burke or Antonio
    CM -- Cohen & Ward-Prowse
    CDM -- Halford and my back four:
    Fox -- Rojo -- Manciennie -- R.Taylor
    with Matty Ryan from Australia in goal (rated 73).

    Rojo from united is a must for me. Any pacey defender who will anchor your back four is a must, imo. They need to have a high aggression, be good in the air (heading, jump & strength) and obviously anything 80 or above for 'Stand Tackle' is pretty much compulsory. ie the only defender you want to attempt to tackle the CPU with in your own box with (so you don't give up a penalty) needs to be an 80 or above.

    I'm having nil-all battles, 1-0 scores and then 3-2, 4-3 shootouts on WC level with (my) some slider adjustments. I just played Chelsea at Stamford Bridge in the league cup and beat them 1-nil when I managed a cross into the box where Samaras headed home in 1st half injury time.

    The final 20-30 minutes Chelsea threw everything at me. Hit the woodwork 3 times, had 8 corners and Ryan ended up with 7 saves ... it was so epically hectic. lol

    anyway here's my advice if you're struggling.


    Defensively; at kick off, tap your d-pad back a click to "defensive" ... always good to start out a game not giving up an early goal. The CPU, if they score early they can be tough to peg back, they'll usually free up (especially if they're at home) and they can easily put 2 or 3 on you before you've even cleared your mind from the kick off.

    You have to be active with your dpad throughout the whole game. The CPU will go more defensive if they're playing you on your home pitch as the game wears on, so you have to increasingly be more attacking if the game is tied and you have to really chase the win ... careful not to get burnt on a counter though. I usually go high pressure and Attacking as my tactic when I'm chasing. Only use all out attack and throw your CB forward if you're chasing a tying goal in the last 15, because you will give up a goal without too much drama when you're playing like that.

    Just like IRL, you need to be more attacking at home, and more defensive on the road (to counter the CPU AI) I usually play a counter attack & 'Defensive' on the road and absorb pressure and look to break out quickly with my quick wingers who are good on the ball and can beat a man off the dribble. At home I play my own custom tactics ... shorter passing (55), possession based football and try and run them ragged chasing me.

    When you haven't got the ball you have to keep formation. at all costs! You can't sprint around with a mid chasing the ballcarrier, because the AI will exploit it and just pass back into the hole you just left behind and open you up.

    I like to use my CDM where ever possible and backtrack the ball carrier into my back four (using plenty of L2 (PS4) -- contain). You have to be patient and not tackle but rather corral the attackers into your defenders or wait for a bad pass and a turnover. at worst push the attackers into bad positions so they're taking low probability shots on goal. If you're controlling a defender, don't stress ... use your L2 and stay in front of the attacker, call for help (with R1), but if it's the defender beside you, release the R1 so you keep your defensive formation.

    Dive and tackle if your desperate. Be try and block and stay in front of your man if they're in your box ... you breath on the AI and they'll go down for a penalty -- and get it.

    If you're under the pump when you get the ball back, be patient and hoof out of bounds (circle button -- clear ball). If you can pass you're way into space, do it. Then slow it down and let your defenders get their breath back and then make the AI work.

    Fatigue works so well in this game. At home I just poke it about, get the AI chasing me, and it really tells in the last 20 minutes. At a guess I reckon I've won 75% of my games at home in the last 20 minutes.

    Be aware of the game situation. If you have a lead, expect the CPU to throw men forward, use more longballs into the box and press high up the pitch. That's when you want to change tactics to ultra defensive or park the bus and switch into "Counter Attack" and try and burn them on the break.

    You have to be equally as patient with the ball. Trying to breakdown the AI is incredibly rewarding when you do score. If you get it out to your wings and you know you have some pace or a winger good on the ball, only try and beat the AI in parts of the ground where you're not too bent out of shape, so you can launch straight into some pressure defense if you do lose the ball.

    A really good tactic Barcelona uses in real life is:

    When you turn over the ball, sprint after it and call the help defense over and try and pressure the AI into turning it back over. Do this for 10-15 seconds at most. If you don't get the ball back in that time, retreat back into the patient defensive game and absorb the pressure as I talked about earlier up there ˆˆ

    Hope this all helps ... and anyone else with good tips, settings and strategy/ tactics, don't be shy, throw them up here.
    Last edited by FluffyTonka; 09-29-2014, 05:09 AM.
  • hirst1000
    Rookie
    • Jan 2013
    • 43

    #2
    Re: The Gameplay & Defensive Tips Thread

    Patrickhdxgaming has a great tutorial on his youtube page. I use this.

    Sometimes I likento control the DM, try and force the play wide and fill passing lanes.

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    • BL8001
      MVP
      • Jul 2010
      • 1884

      #3
      Re: The Gameplay & Defensive Tips Thread

      We all are of like minds...I posted this in impressions but it suits here better.

      The simplest method, and it can be so effective it may be an exploit, is to grab a player above the level of the ball, run him back and sit him in between two defenders. You then shadow the inside pass receiver the CPU is looking to pass to by holding LT and sticking to him, don't even have to be that close.

      Then pressure the ball carrier here and there with RB contain, not enough to get the defender in the face of the ball handler but just enough to get him to make another decision.

      You will see the CPU start to get disconcerted. They may play it out wide and then down the line with a run, cpu loves that. But they are mostly looking to in and out pass to exploit your player switching.

      So just always shadow inside passing targets and let the CPU harmlessly dribble around midfield. Eventually they will make a bad pass and off you go on offense.

      I can make a video tonight if you need more help.
      resident curmudgeon

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      • cadalyst17
        Rookie
        • Jul 2004
        • 252

        #4
        Re: The Gameplay & Defensive Tips Thread

        Originally posted by FluffyTonka
        I'm loving the game and finding it the best football game ever. So realistic it hurts my brain at times. lol

        I've noticed a few people having some probs, so thought I'd try and help. I've played and coached football irl and played videogame football since Commodore 64 days. haha ... I think I've owned every fifa since they were made on sega mega drive ha more lols

        ok ...


        You have to have a good back four.............
        Not bad for a FIFA loving non sim kind of guy. I thought real soccer sim players didn't like FIFA, but then that would make me one also, since I love FIFA 15. Thanks for the info! :-)

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        • BL8001
          MVP
          • Jul 2010
          • 1884

          #5
          Re: The Gameplay & Defensive Tips Thread

          Yeah the way you don't have to stay with the ball carrier is you don't.

          It's damn near impossible because they can get jiggy with the ball and make quick cuts and shimmy moves and the defender has wooden legs and is stuck in momentum based animations. Try to do a quick cut without the ball like the CPU (WITH THE BALL!), its impossible.

          So you don't pressure the ball. You mark the logical passing target. And the one the CPU keys on the most is the one inside.

          This is CPU tactic #1. The high low high.
          A cpu player brings the ball over the midway line and finds a target higher up the pitch. He plays the ball to him (high), he plays the ball back to the player who passed it (low) who then first time passes it back to the first player he passed it to again (high).

          Why do they do this?
          They do this to exploit your auto switching. If you are back pedal defending player 1 who brought it over the midway line, when they pass high the "auto switch decay" runs the defender marking that guy off a step or 2, so you move him back towards the ball and when he passes back it auto switches again and the "auto switch decay" pushes that defender off the ball and then back high again. The exploit is that passing it back and forth quickly creates space for the attacker due to the auto switching lag.
          Manual switching helps a little but it looks like they have coded in some really bad angles for the users CPU controlled defenders that still get exploited by this high/low/high crap.

          CPU tactic #2. Wing run
          They play the ball right along the touchline with a wing run that is almost impossible to defend. The only thing you can do is keep pace and either knock it out for their throw-in or just make sure you stay goal side as you move with him down to the corner flag. The RB contain logic when a CPU player has the ball near the corner flag is absolutely horrendous. If you hold RB they play off him and if you bring another player over manually the ball handler will find who you left with a perfect pass, or they will split your "loose" double team effort with a beautiful skill dribble you cant perform. (it's just a fact with this game, the CPU possess a quiver of wonderful little quick touch close control dribble moves vs the users assortment of elaborate drawn out dribble moves on the R stick) (the best close tight dribbling you can do is on the L stick and using LB to slow dribble here and there, it still doesn't compare to what the CPU can do)

          Why does the CPU do this?
          Because they know by keeping it near the sideline they can win a throw in, they know how the D coding is loose around the corners of the pitch, they know this mimics a human users desire to get it low and cross it, etc

          CPU tactic #3 In out passing

          This is a horizontal variation of the high low high technique above. The cpu will have the ball near the sideline looking for an inside target. If they hit that inside target as you close in to defend that player will pass it back out to the edge and then make a run behind your D. If you turn to press that guy with the ball he will thread a through ball to the player making the run.

          Why does the CPU do this?
          Because once again, they are exploiting ball pressure vs. the distances you have to cover to press the ball handler.

          This year more than any year in FIFA, the base coding makes defenders wander.

          Watch a FK or a CK into the box.

          Defending 101 is that you must stay behind (or at least as low as) the ball to be in proper defensive positioning.
          When the CPU sends a ball into your box on a corner and it never gets higher than the 6 box, your players will still start pulling out. NEVER NEVER EVER should defenders vacate when the ball is this close to the goal. If anything the coding should bring them CLOSER to the ball.

          Same goes when the ball is just being moved around your box by the CPU. Watch how for some reason your defenders have to move just to move. IRL, If you are on D and have a great angle you can simply become a wall and force the ball/ball carrier to move. Too often the defenders are moving before the attackers or players they are "marking" creating on the fly space which is artificially creating attacking chances.

          The only way to counter this is to pick someone above the ball, bring them in and guard the space/pass target.

          If you bring that player you are in control of back and sit them in that hole, with help on both your left side and right side and a CB behind you, you are golden. If the CPU with ball goes outside, you hold and release RB to control the team mate contain pushing him back out. If he goes right you shadow his move while denying the pass high to player you are loosely marking. Basically you just sit in that hole denying the pass and use team mate contain to shepherd the ball handler and discourage the CPU from trying any of the above 3 tactics.
          Last edited by BL8001; 09-29-2014, 10:55 AM.
          resident curmudgeon

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          • gator3guy
            MVP
            • Jul 2004
            • 2233

            #6
            Re: The Gameplay & Defensive Tips Thread

            Originally posted by hirst1000
            Patrickhdxgaming has a great tutorial on his youtube page. I use this.

            Sometimes I likento control the DM, try and force the play wide and fill passing lanes.
            I was going to ask can anyone suggest any video tutorials online for a FIFA noob like myself?

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            • therizing02
              MVP
              • Apr 2003
              • 4176

              #7
              Re: The Gameplay & Defensive Tips Thread

              Since this is a tips thread, I'd like to know how people are stopping this kind of silliness from the CPU. When I read how great the CPU is at attacking I have to laugh, because regardless of the level, Pro, WC, or Legendary, this is how it goes for every team. This first video is Robben dancing through the Real Madrid defense and finding a wide open Mueller for volleyed goal. Pro level

              <iframe width="560" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/TOJfILhNsbQ?list=UUWZwEv8fP85L4mKZHoe_nlQ" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

              This second video is more of the same type of CPU garbage. The OP of this thread was an insightful post, but the part about contain and sort of push the CPU attackers into other defenders, onto their wrong foot, etc, is nearly impossible. I'd like some tips on how to defend this....

              <iframe width="560" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/udzoknEOJfg?list=UUWZwEv8fP85L4mKZHoe_nlQ" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

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              • BL8001
                MVP
                • Jul 2010
                • 1884

                #8
                Re: The Gameplay &amp; Defensive Tips Thread

                The first goal is Tactic #2.

                But both of those vids, it's clear to see its the coded defending logic that let's you down. You can do what you can do on defense and then there are times like these where you throw your hands up and say No Mas.

                Because plain and simple you cannot do this vs the CPU defense. Try to pass it back and forth in the D of the box on the CPU.

                You can't and you know why? Because they step out on you and forcibly try to push you away from the goal.

                The humans CPU controlled defenders never do this.
                resident curmudgeon

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                • Zac
                  World-Class Diver
                  • Jan 2008
                  • 4269

                  #9
                  Re: The Gameplay &amp; Defensive Tips Thread

                  Originally posted by BL8001
                  The first goal is Tactic #2.

                  But both of those vids, it's clear to see its the coded defending logic that let's you down. You can do what you can do on defense and then there are times like these where you throw your hands up and say No Mas.

                  Because plain and simple you cannot do this vs the CPU defense. Try to pass it back and forth in the D of the box on the CPU.

                  You can't and you know why? Because they step out on you and forcibly try to push you away from the goal.

                  The humans CPU controlled defenders never do this.
                  And its very frustrating. It would be so nice if my defenders acted exactly like the other teams defenders. My (your) guys will never give that little quick poke step out tackle to disrupt the attack. Yet they do it to you perfectly every time you attempt to do that same type of quick pass build up in the box.

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                  • wordtobigbird
                    MVP
                    • Sep 2008
                    • 4385

                    #10
                    Re: The Gameplay &amp; Defensive Tips Thread

                    Originally posted by therizing02
                    Since this is a tips thread, I'd like to know how people are stopping this kind of silliness from the CPU. When I read how great the CPU is at attacking I have to laugh, because regardless of the level, Pro, WC, or Legendary, this is how it goes for every team. This first video is Robben dancing through the Real Madrid defense and finding a wide open Mueller for volleyed goal. Pro level

                    <iframe width="560" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/TOJfILhNsbQ?list=UUWZwEv8fP85L4mKZHoe_nlQ" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

                    This second video is more of the same type of CPU garbage. The OP of this thread was an insightful post, but the part about contain and sort of push the CPU attackers into other defenders, onto their wrong foot, etc, is nearly impossible. I'd like some tips on how to defend this....

                    <iframe width="560" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/udzoknEOJfg?list=UUWZwEv8fP85L4mKZHoe_nlQ" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
                    Not going to pretend I know a lot about this sport or the game because I'm still new to both but I don't have problems defending this stuff. IMO you are giving the CPU wayyy too much space. On the first video you let him run all the way down the sideline before anyone even gets close to him. And then when the ball gets loose why dont you run and try to get it instead of just letting him get it? Once he got that loose ball and the other defender backed off it was a wrap. In the 2nd video, same thing, too much space. They are just passing the ball back and forth in front of you and youre not doing anything. Now I don't know which player you are controlling but you arent putting any pressure on the ball. You are going to have to attack the ball carrier with your player or teammate contain. In the first video, I would have used that midfielder and cut off his sideline run and at least make him cut or pass or something. Or stay close to him and push him into the defender and use teammate contain to double team hi in the corner.

                    It looks like the defenders are just standing around watching, including whichever one youre using. But if you use one and use teammate command with another there should be at least 2 guys attacking the ball regardless of if the CPU AI does it or not. But if you are going to play like this you definitely need to go into the tactics and change yours. Your defenders will be much more aggressive if you change the settings.

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                    • therizing02
                      MVP
                      • Apr 2003
                      • 4176

                      #11
                      Re: The Gameplay &amp; Defensive Tips Thread

                      Originally posted by wordtobigbird
                      Not going to pretend I know a lot about this sport or the game because I'm still new to both but I don't have problems defending this stuff. IMO you are giving the CPU wayyy too much space. On the first video you let him run all the way down the sideline before anyone even gets close to him. And then when the ball gets loose why dont you run and try to get it instead of just letting him get it? Once he got that loose ball and the other defender backed off it was a wrap. In the 2nd video, same thing, too much space. They are just passing the ball back and forth in front of you and youre not doing anything. Now I don't know which player you are controlling but you arent putting any pressure on the ball. You are going to have to attack the ball carrier with your player or teammate contain. In the first video, I would have used that midfielder and cut off his sideline run and at least make him cut or pass or something. Or stay close to him and push him into the defender and use teammate contain to double team hi in the corner.

                      It looks like the defenders are just standing around watching, including whichever one youre using. But if you use one and use teammate command with another there should be at least 2 guys attacking the ball regardless of if the CPU AI does it or not. But if you are going to play like this you definitely need to go into the tactics and change yours. Your defenders will be much more aggressive if you change the settings.
                      I understand why you would think this. Based on the second video and playing hundreds if not 1000s of games since FIFA 07, I am trying to keep the CPU attackers out of the middle of the pitch because if a CPU player gets the ball at the top of the box you are pretty much done.

                      So, Robben gets the ball and wants to go down the wing. Fine, I'll contain him all the way to the corner and then make a play on the ball when I get him there. You can see that's what happened. Also, how many times do we as users poke the ball away and it goes back to the CPU player. It has nothing to do with trying to get the ball, because experience tells you you're not going to get that ball because the CPU will always react faster.

                      I have played close to 50 games at different levels during the trial and through the full release, and so far IMO, this might be the worst edition of this game in years from a CPU attacking and USER defense perspective.

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                      • KG
                        Welcome Back
                        • Sep 2005
                        • 17583

                        #12
                        Re: The Gameplay &amp; Defensive Tips Thread

                        Originally posted by wordtobigbird
                        Not going to pretend I know a lot about this sport or the game because I'm still new to both but I don't have problems defending this stuff. IMO you are giving the CPU wayyy too much space. On the first video you let him run all the way down the sideline before anyone even gets close to him. And then when the ball gets loose why dont you run and try to get it instead of just letting him get it? Once he got that loose ball and the other defender backed off it was a wrap. In the 2nd video, same thing, too much space. They are just passing the ball back and forth in front of you and youre not doing anything. Now I don't know which player you are controlling but you arent putting any pressure on the ball. You are going to have to attack the ball carrier with your player or teammate contain. In the first video, I would have used that midfielder and cut off his sideline run and at least make him cut or pass or something. Or stay close to him and push him into the defender and use teammate contain to double team hi in the corner.

                        It looks like the defenders are just standing around watching, including whichever one youre using. But if you use one and use teammate command with another there should be at least 2 guys attacking the ball regardless of if the CPU AI does it or not. But if you are going to play like this you definitely need to go into the tactics and change yours. Your defenders will be much more aggressive if you change the settings.
                        The problem with the 2nd teammate button is that they take poor angles. You can compensate for this in the middle of the pitch but that close to goal will most likely lead to a 1-on-1 with your keeper. The defending AI of your teammates should help you out a little but and do this for you, especially when you're that close to the box.

                        Don't even get me started on the CPU Offensive AI. They pass just to pass. No directness at all, especially from Robben who is one of the most direct players in the world.
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                        • FluffyTonka
                          MVP
                          • Feb 2006
                          • 1681

                          #13
                          Re: The Gameplay &amp; Defensive Tips Thread

                          Originally posted by therizing02

                          This second video is more of the same type of CPU garbage. The OP of this thread was an insightful post, but the part about contain and sort of push the CPU attackers into other defenders, onto their wrong foot, etc, is nearly impossible. I'd like some tips on how to defend this....

                          <iframe width="560" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/udzoknEOJfg?list=UUWZwEv8fP85L4mKZHoe_nlQ" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

                          Tactically, you have to slide down on your dpad and get more men beehnd the ball when the CPU are deep in your territory, if you can even select counter attack as a tactic if your buried in your own end. Like I said, you gotta be a little dynamic and constantly change up your tactics this year.


                          In this video, when the guy on the ball out on the edge of the box, you were controlling the man in front of him. Never do that against good teams, you needed to control the midfielder behind (and goalside to the guy on the ball) then call your help, which would have enabled your defender, and he would have kept in front of the attacker with the ball... get into your jockey stance with your controlled player (the midfielder) and as the off -the-ball CPU attacker makes his run, you need your guy to fill that space and take that option for the cutback pass in.

                          If the CPU attempts that pass, knock it down with your circle button, or slide right across and kill the pass back into your defenders who are there for the easy clearance.

                          Once you killed that passing lane, then you could apply pressure and tackle the ball carrier or force him into your defender who would make the tackle.

                          your left back was already on the flank for the outlet pass and from there if your in counter attack, a lobbed through ball long to your striker, or pass it out onto your winger would have had the ball going the other way.

                          It's not ice hockey, you don't relentlessly attack the puck carrier, you want to use up the space around the ball carrier, limit or stop his options and then dispossess him or wait for the bad pass into traffic for the turnover.


                          now all of this is fine for me to say ... but executing is much much harder. Which is what I like about the game. you have to execute for the full 90 minutes and its possible one single lapse is the difference in winning or losing or a draw. pretty realistic imo

                          Another thing ... the CPU is way to clinical in front of goal. I raised their shot error to 60 (or maybe 65, I should go check) ... They're hitting more woodwork, side of nets and having the complete and utter howler from time to time as well.

                          To balance up the CPU's advantage on WC level, raising human pass speed to 60 and spd & acc to 53 (for human only) is a must!

                          Good tactical football basics and a few sliders along with tactics which noticeably work this year, makes it the best football sim since PES 6. hands down.

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                          • Matt10
                            Hall Of Fame
                            • Apr 2006
                            • 16650

                            #14
                            Re: The Gameplay &amp; Defensive Tips Thread

                            I like this thread, but this year we have to take a lot into consideration how important sliders are, and how sensitive the marking value is. Go through a replay and just switch to players, they look at who they are marking.

                            So you have to choose to either raise marking so there is coverage through the field, or you can leave it low (on default) and rely on man to man marking...all game. That's the issue with Riz's videos - it's not tactics - it's simply the game engine's marking issue.

                            Riz, I apologize as I know you were testing with my V1 sliders - and those values have since changed in Version 3.
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                            • FluffyTonka
                              MVP
                              • Feb 2006
                              • 1681

                              #15
                              Re: The Gameplay &amp; Defensive Tips Thread

                              yeah definitely agree wrt sliders.

                              the game is so geared into the favour of the CPU, you have to even up the human physical attributes right out of the gate. then from there, there's a whole world of marking, cpu fullback runs etc that help you keep your formation shape and also adds a little "human error" type of pulling the CPU out of shape.

                              Marking needs to be raised, but not so much that your midfield stops playing passing lanes for intercepts.

                              there's an amazing game here with a few tweaks and subtle under the hood slider changes.

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