is there a timing mechanism to youth players?

[JO122194]

I wanted to know if youth players should be waited on or not? By this i mean if I call someone young, like 16, will that stunt his growth? Physically and attribute-ly. For example, 3 seasons ago I found player A. Using a 2 star team, player A could make an impact if he was on the pro club. I called him up and as expected, at 16yo his speed was in the 50's as a CM but he was a contributer to the club. 3 seasons later, present time, he is a starter at a low 70s, 19yo. His stats have obviously grown has he has developed into a good goal scorer, however his speed is still in the 50's. I have a player now who is 17 in my YA his ovr is 67-71 nd his potential is 81-85. Should I just wait or call him up, if i do, he will most likely be a starter in the midfield. I don't want to mess up his speed. Player A is becoming useless in the sense of continuing to develop. When is the best time to call up?

[Onlyfutbol86]

Re: is there a timing mechanism to youth players?

I wanted to know if youth players should be waited on or not? By this i mean if I call someone young, like 16, will that stunt his growth? Physically and attribute-ly. For example, 3 seasons ago I found player A. Using a 2 star team, player A could make an impact if he was on the pro club. I called him up and as expected, at 16yo his speed was in the 50's as a CM but he was a contributer to the club. 3 seasons later, present time, he is a starter at a low 70s, 19yo. His stats have obviously grown has he has developed into a good goal scorer, however his speed is still in the 50's. I have a player now who is 17 in my YA his ovr is 67-71 nd his potential is 81-85. Should I just wait or call him up, if i do, he will most likely be a starter in the midfield. I don't want to mess up his speed. Player A is becoming useless in the sense of continuing to develop. When is the best time to call up?

From what I just learned a couple days ago with youth players: Wait atleast 1 may update, 2 may updates would be 4-5 points on overall higher if you wait for another may update, otherwise when you sign him he will be a mid 50s low 60s player instead of that may update putting him in 70s...Also, look at his attributes as his position might be wrong. He could be LB and have great attacking skills, he could be listed st and actually a better winger/defender.

You can reload from last save point if you dont like what his potential says, but you will never change his work rates, skill moves or his weak foot ability.

Idk if that helps, but thats what I learned lol

[JHedges2]

Re: is there a timing mechanism to youth players?

Was just introduced to this site--it's amazingly helpful...

http://www.fifascoutingtips.com/fifa-15-scouting-guide/

[NightmareBooster]

Re: is there a timing mechanism to youth players?

What you're describing is actually one of (if not) my biggest gripes with the game. I can almost guarantee you that the timing of your calling him up had absolutely nothing to do with his speed being so low. The problem is the growth of youth academy physical attributes.

For YA players preference is given to the stats that dictate their position, so when you see the OVR & POT range it's those stats that will grow the most to get him there. Using a 90-94 POT Striker as an example attack position, finishing, long shots, shot power, etc. are the stats that are going to see most of the growth over the course of his career, and these will get into the 90s. That being the case his physical growth is stunted because otherwise he might very well get to 99 OVR! So for our ST his skill stats will all be 85 and above, with the ST specific stats being in the 90s by the time he's 25. That alone would put him at 85-90 OVR. If his speed and accel were 85 or higher he would be well above 90. Of course there are exceptions and it is possible to get a YA player with good physical stats too, but those are few and far in between.

A good way to see this is to go to sofifa and compare Ibra and Messi at the ST position, where the ST-specific stats will be highlighted green. Messi is better in almost every category except for one very important one: shot power, and difference between the two of them is 13 points. Imagine what his rating would be if that was also 90.

[snyder5man]

Re: is there a timing mechanism to youth players?

Was just introduced to this site--it's amazingly helpful...

http://www.fifascoutingtips.com/fifa-15-scouting-guide/

This is great! Thanks

[gerg1234]

Re: is there a timing mechanism to youth players?

What you're describing is actually one of (if not) my biggest gripes with the game. I can almost guarantee you that the timing of your calling him up had absolutely nothing to do with his speed being so low. The problem is the growth of youth academy physical attributes.

For YA players preference is given to the stats that dictate their position, so when you see the OVR & POT range it's those stats that will grow the most to get him there. Using a 90-94 POT Striker as an example attack position, finishing, long shots, shot power, etc. are the stats that are going to see most of the growth over the course of his career, and these will get into the 90s. That being the case his physical growth is stunted because otherwise he might very well get to 99 OVR! So for our ST his skill stats will all be 85 and above, with the ST specific stats being in the 90s by the time he's 25. That alone would put him at 85-90 OVR. If his speed and accel were 85 or higher he would be well above 90. Of course there are exceptions and it is possible to get a YA player with good physical stats too, but those are few and far in between.

A good way to see this is to go to sofifa and compare Ibra and Messi at the ST position, where the ST-specific stats will be highlighted green. Messi is better in almost every category except for one very important one: shot power, and difference between the two of them is 13 points. Imagine what his rating would be if that was also 90.

Scout Wingers. The only way they'll have decent physical stats. Anybody else won't.

My 3* scout in my current game found a winger that is 60-66 overall with 80-94 potential....his current acceleration is 80-94 and his sprint speed is 78-90.

Every other type I've scouted NEVER has above 65 of any of the physical stats.

[NightmareBooster]

Re: is there a timing mechanism to youth players?

Scout Wingers. The only way they'll have decent physical stats. Anybody else won't.

My 3* scout in my current game found a winger that is 60-66 overall with 80-94 potential....his current acceleration is 80-94 and his sprint speed is 78-90.

Every other type I've scouted NEVER has above 65 of any of the physical stats.

That's the work-around that I used in '14. This year I'm thankfully back to PC so right now I'm testing changes to my db that allow for YA players to have better physical growth. Out of my first 5 promotions I have 2 players with speed & accel at least 70. Today I'll be testing how they grow now that they're out of the academy. I'm excited

[burth179]

Re: is there a timing mechanism to youth players?

The may update is definitely huge. It is a must, especially for the "mis positioned" players (I'll explain a bit more below). I find that one May update is usually enough though. If you plan on playing them a lot right away just bring them out after one May update. If you are big club and don't plan on playing them a lot right away, then you can wait.

Yes, there youth players in general are not very fast, BUT you can get some.

From what I've found the best attacking players are actually right or left backs that are "attackers" or "wingers" if you wait for the May update. Before the May update their OVR will be listed in the 30-40 range, even if high potential, but after May update they grow to mid 60's-low 70s in OVR (I'm talking players with high potential)

Typically these players will have pace stats in the 80's or even 90's and will have very good technical abilities as well (especially for players that young).

Oddly enough, the only stats lacking are their defensive stats (although they do grow over time if you want to use them as fullbacks after they fully develop).

But really they are the best attacking youth academy players in the game.

Winger type strikers also you will find will have pace stats in the 70's or 80's sometimes and are usually deadly finishers after a year or so, these are also great attacking players.