Talking Points - Youth Academy (Pre-May / Post-May Call-ups)

**Zalf** · 05-21-2015, 02:25 PM

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Not "all of these years." It is a bug that surfaced in 15 and never got patched. It was discovered a while after release so I was deep into my usually manager career and this put a damper on it for sure.

**SpHSpH** · 05-21-2015, 02:29 PM

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Fair enough ... this is only specific to FIFA15 ... but it totally affects the two career modes that I have running right now. One of my modes (Swansea) just passed May 1 for year two (and I was excited about the growth in OVR for a lot of my YA guys ... and just promoted five of them to the senior team following the update). My other mode (Lorient) is in April ... so maybe I should consider experimenting and promoting some of my more promising YA guys *before* they get the May 1 update? (Some of my Lorient YA guys have already had one May 1 update ... so they are already poisoned?)

This has really sent me down the rabbit-hole of FIFA / YA stuff this afternoon.

**Zalf** · 05-21-2015, 05:05 PM

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Originally posted by SpHSpH

Fair enough ... this is only specific to FIFA15 ... but it totally affects the two career modes that I have running right now. One of my modes (Swansea) just passed May 1 for year two (and I was excited about the growth in OVR for a lot of my YA guys ... and just promoted five of them to the senior team following the update). My other mode (Lorient) is in April ... so maybe I should consider experimenting and promoting some of my more promising YA guys *before* they get the May 1 update? (Some of my Lorient YA guys have already had one May 1 update ... so they are already poisoned?)

This has really sent me down the rabbit-hole of FIFA / YA stuff this afternoon.

Yeah manager mode was/is my mode. YA guys were/are a huge part of this and I have seasons upon seasons of spreadsheets covering YA. So this really killed '15 manager mode for me because I was far enough in it would have called for starting from scratch or pushing forward with most of my team already physically impaired. And like you said, there isn't a fix there is just a workaround that is basically choosing which bug to take on which players.

**SpHSpH** · 05-22-2015, 03:03 PM

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I am late to the game with this Pre-May / Post-May discussion ... I had always thought that it was 100% the right idea to wait until after the May 1 update ... I have only recently learned about the stalled physical stats (and that is a real bummer). While I have been reading about this - I saw some comments about "an EA update" ... did any recent EA update do anything about the Post-May physical stagnation?

It seems a bummer that I have to choose between (1) "lousy physical stats (especially speed and stamina) but outstanding technical stats" and (2) "a smaller initial OVR but more uniform and across-the-board growth".

I just passed May in one of my career mode saves ... and promoted five guys after the update ... I was psyched about their sexy OVRs for young players ... but now I am bummed to learn that they make be stuck with their physical stats.

Is there any work-around for this, to re-start their physical growth? Short term loan, to a team in a different country?

Thanks for any help!

**JHedges2** · 05-23-2015, 08:15 AM

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Great thread as usual. I too, was completely in the dark about all of this.

Sigh.

...and I just THOUGHT the YA was jacked up. Now, evidently, even more than I originally thought...

**Timeetyo** · 05-23-2015, 09:47 PM

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For the guys who are doing the pre-may update, a few questions?

1 - how much OVR gain are you seeing per season for a PTBS player? I'm just scared taking a 50s OVR player will take forever to be remotely useful.
2 - If you aren't waiting to may - are you promoting as soon as they look good (and are 16)?

**jrich730** · 05-31-2015, 12:42 PM

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Wow I don't even think I wanna play anymore

**bvb24** · 05-31-2015, 08:11 PM

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Search bamastriker on YouTube. He has put a ton of time looking into this. I promote as soon as they are available if it's a player with large potential. That said, some post may players will see physical growth start around 23-24 years old. The entire may bump system is absolutely stupid though. It amazes me a once a year progression was ever a thought.

**JHedges2** · 06-01-2015, 07:53 AM

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Originally posted by bvb24

Search bamastriker on YouTube. He has put a ton of time looking into this. I promote as soon as they are available if it's a player with large potential. That said, some post may players will see physical growth start around 23-24 years old. The entire may bump system is absolutely stupid though. It amazes me a once a year progression was ever a thought.

Good find. I just don't know if I want to fool with investigating this now, so late in the '15 cycle.

**Timeetyo** · 06-02-2015, 09:33 AM

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Originally posted by JHedges2

Good find. I just don't know if I want to fool with investigating this now, so late in the '15 cycle.

The cynic in me says that may as well figure this out now so you know what to look for before diving deep on '16.

Oh...and thanks to this thread, I've started a new YA based career. A few things I'll note:
1 - OMG its amazing to have YA players with some pace (excluding bugged wingers). My best is a currently 17 YO CF who although is only ~63 OVR is up to 79 SPD/79 ACC. Up 6 each in his first year!
2 - This definitely takes more patience as some guys come out LOW. I'm waiting for my 45 OVR CB that i just snagged (should be high potential - was 83-94) and is 6'7". He is already gaining in physicals after 1 month and if he hits a decent OVR should be a BEAST in the center. But....for now...what to do with a 45 OVR player....
3 - Why does FIFA just LOVE to now give me 15 YO players in april who otherwise look beastly. Makes me so sad knowing they'll be gimped if I keep them.
4 - After doing some testing, I'm seeing guys fall into 1 of 3 categories:

A - Huge physical growth. These guys get at least a small bump in the physical category on the first monthly update. At the end of a full year they are growing 3-6 in each category of physical stats.
B - Mild physical growth. Takes a few months to get a small bump and end the year with ~1-2 in each category.
C - No physical growth. Just like the post mays. No growth through a few seasons. May get a small bump later in life but not worth it starting so much lower.

**SpHSpH** · 06-02-2015, 11:20 AM

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4 - After doing some testing, I'm seeing guys fall into 1 of 3 categories:

A - Huge physical growth. These guys get at least a small bump in the physical category on the first monthly update. At the end of a full year they are growing 3-6 in each category of physical stats.
B - Mild physical growth. Takes a few months to get a small bump and end the year with ~1-2 in each category.
C - No physical growth. Just like the post mays. No growth through a few seasons. May get a small bump later in life but not worth it starting so much lower.
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Do you find that which players fall into which bin depends on ...
(a) player position?
(b) player type (attacker / winger / physically strong / etc.)?
(c) player age?
(d) something else?

Mostly because if there was a way to know if someone is going to be a "no physical growth" kind of player ... then I might as well let that player go through the May update and at least get some sweet technical stats.

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You are also correct that it is a bummer that you really need to stash "future stars" on your proper senior roster. If there was a way for me to know that someone was going to get great balanced growth across all regions ... I could be more willing to "gamble" and consume a roster spot.

- - - - -

I am glad that others have also become interested in this unusual wrinkle with YA.

**JHedges2** · 06-02-2015, 12:11 PM

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Originally posted by Timeetyo

The cynic in me says that may as well figure this out now so you know what to look for before diving deep on '16.

I def. see your point, however, I wonder if this (these?) issue(s) will be present on '16? If I knew they were for sure, I'd definitely invest the time now...

**Timeetyo** · 06-03-2015, 08:45 AM

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Originally posted by SpHSpH

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4 - After doing some testing, I'm seeing guys fall into 1 of 3 categories:

A - Huge physical growth. These guys get at least a small bump in the physical category on the first monthly update. At the end of a full year they are growing 3-6 in each category of physical stats.
B - Mild physical growth. Takes a few months to get a small bump and end the year with ~1-2 in each category.
C - No physical growth. Just like the post mays. No growth through a few seasons. May get a small bump later in life but not worth it starting so much lower.
--------------------

Do you find that which players fall into which bin depends on ...
(a) player position?
(b) player type (attacker / winger / physically strong / etc.)?
(c) player age?
(d) something else?

Mostly because if there was a way to know if someone is going to be a "no physical growth" kind of player ... then I might as well let that player go through the May update and at least get some sweet technical stats.

- - - - -

You are also correct that it is a bummer that you really need to stash "future stars" on your proper senior roster. If there was a way for me to know that someone was going to get great balanced growth across all regions ... I could be more willing to "gamble" and consume a roster spot.

- - - - -

I am glad that others have also become interested in this unusual wrinkle with YA.

Do you find that which players fall into which bin depends on ...
(a) player position?
(b) player type (attacker / winger / physically strong / etc.)?
(c) player age?
(d) something else?

I haven't done a ton of testing, but it seems completely random (other than goalies).

I tested a ton of winger (not bugged WB) players and have seen from gold level players:
1/2 RW are growing well.
1/2 LW are growing well.
2/2 LM are growing well
1/6 RM is growing some (~2-3 each category per year). 5/6 no growth. RM haunts me.
3/4 CF/CAM growing well.

For defensive minded:
4/5 CDM are growing well
1/3 LB are growing well
2/5 RB are growing well

For physically strong:
2/5 CB are growing well

All of these players are very high potential (i'm reloading reports to test)
All Mids & forwards came in high 50s to low 60s OVR
All CDMs & defenders came in high 40s to mid 50s OVR

Most are 16/17 - upon promotion - no trending there.

So basically - I can't put my finger on it. Seems to be completely random from what I can see.

**Resurrection403** · 06-14-2015, 06:55 PM

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Restarting a new manager mode today after not playing since Feb.

What an amazing revelation. It also goes to show how sloppy EA is. I cant believe this bug exists. It's actually really pathetic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrrTYuKeYjE

Worth watching.

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