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  • ricardodc
    MVP
    • Oct 2014
    • 1237

    #1

    FIFA 17 Custom Tactics

    Hi!

    All values were estimated (calculated) from real life stats using whoscored data (except E League One and Two).

    Feel free to test them, comment and make your suggestions for adjustments.

    Cheers!

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    ADVANCED POSITIONING

    To simulate the positioning adjustments teams make to adapt to their opponent strength, add the following to the basic positioning sliders values.




    ADVANCED SIMULATION CUSTOM TACTICS

    To simulate some of the tactic dynamics of the real sport, add to the CTTs & Positioning sliders the following values (for CPU CTTs, use the 2nd controller method).



    Have fun!
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  • ricardodc
    MVP
    • Oct 2014
    • 1237

    #2
    Re: FIFA 17 Custom Tactics

    On request...

    Post your request if you want any other League or specific Team.
    Last edited by ricardodc; 12-15-2016, 11:17 AM.

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    • ricardodc
      MVP
      • Oct 2014
      • 1237

      #3
      Re: FIFA 17 Custom Tactics

      Soon I will review the pressure criteria and the lower and higher limits of all sliders.

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      • ricardodc
        MVP
        • Oct 2014
        • 1237

        #4
        Re: FIFA 17 Custom Tactics

        Update:

        - revised criteria for Pressure slider = new values
        - revised lower and higher limits for Aggression slider = new values
        - added MLS and Brasileirão to Chance creation positioning slider calculation = some values changed

        Cheers!

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        • ricardodc
          MVP
          • Oct 2014
          • 1237

          #5
          Re: FIFA 17 Custom Tactics

          Yesterday I made a short but important test...

          Played CPU vs CPU, team vs same team, gameplay sliders default and CTTs sliders all 50 except the slider to be tested. Tested 1, 50 and 100...

          Some conclusions:
          - speed - while the general tendency is too build-up fast, there was a noticeable difference in possession when playing with 1, 50 or 100. So, I will re-introduce the 1-100 range for speed;
          - passing (BU) - same short passing general tendency, so I will keep the shift to 100;
          - passing (CC) - I will keep the 66-100 range to force more riskier passes for all teams;
          - pressure - it was clear that this slider dictates where the midfield line will position. It's like a line height for midfielders. To prevent extreme positioning, I will use the 33-66 range;
          - aggression - I got a surprise here. I was expecting extreme values to give different numbers of tackles, but it gave the exact same number! The difference was just the number of fouls. While playing 1 resulted on 0 fouls, 50 gave just 1 and 100 resulted on 3 fouls (only 22 in-game min). It was a short sample but was interesting to know that aggression maybe is linked to the fouls count (riskier/aggressive tackles), not number of tackles. So, here I will introduce a range of 66-100 for all teams and teams will be rated only by their fouls per game stat.
          - width - also a little surprise here... I was expecting difference in defensive width but there were none. The defensive line width was the same independently of this slider value. The main difference was in the team shift to the ball side. That's good news. As I think in current days almost all teams use the width shift so I will shift the slider values to 20 (the minimal default value » high pressure default CT).

          EDIT: UPDATE DONE

          Cheers!
          Last edited by ricardodc; 12-18-2016, 05:46 PM.

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          • ricardodc
            MVP
            • Oct 2014
            • 1237

            #6
            Re: FIFA 17 Custom Tactics

            Added a small video to the first post to show how to set the custom tactics. I hope it helps.

            Cheers!

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            • JHedges2
              MVP
              • Jan 2007
              • 4652

              #7
              Re: FIFA 17 Custom Tactics

              Originally posted by ricardodc
              ENGLAND

              BPL & Championship
              I'm very intrigued at the differences between yours and Krebs sets.
              Arsenal | New York Yankees

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              • ricardodc
                MVP
                • Oct 2014
                • 1237

                #8
                Re: FIFA 17 Custom Tactics

                Originally posted by JHedges2
                I'm very intrigued at the differences between yours and Krebs sets.
                Hi!

                This is how I calculated my CTTs sliders values:

                1. I collected the following stats for all teams (via whoscored)

                - total passes per game
                - crosses per game
                - long balls per game
                - pass accuracy%
                - shots out the box%
                - shots in the middle against%
                - fouls per game
                - possession%
                - possession in the first third%
                - possession in the final third%
                - dribbles per game
                - defensive form (cover vs offside)

                2. I chose the lowest and highest value (range) for all CTTs sliders, taking into account how different values changed FIFA 17 gameplay

                3. Calculated the math formulas to transforme those real life stats into FIFA 17 CTTs sliders values

                For example: to calculate the build-up speed slider I used real life average possession% stat. The lowest possession% team was set to 100 speed and the highest 1. All other were calculated according.

                I made that type of calculation for all sliders. That's why all teams have different values and not "generic" ones.

                There are 2 major difficulties. It's hard to get real life stats (quantitative) to match the FIFA 17 CTTs sliders, and to figure what should be the sliders limits.

                But it also has 2 advantages. It's an objective method and it can be updated very easily. I just need to update the real life stats and the new CTTs values will be automatically calculated.

                Independently of the method used, I suggest you to just test the CTTs yourself. If you feel something wrong about the resulting gameplay I will be happy to try to make it better.

                Cheers!
                Last edited by ricardodc; 12-20-2016, 06:36 PM.

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                • "The dude abides"
                  Rookie
                  • Mar 2010
                  • 170

                  #9
                  Re: FIFA 17 Custom Tactics

                  Originally posted by ricardodc
                  Yesterday I made a short but important test...

                  Played CPU vs CPU, team vs same team, gameplay sliders default and CTTs sliders all 50 except the slider to be tested. Tested 1, 50 and 100...

                  Some conclusions:
                  - speed - while the general tendency is too build-up fast, there was a noticeable difference in possession when playing with 1, 50 or 100. So, I will re-introduce the 1-100 range for speed;
                  - passing (BU) - same short passing general tendency, so I will keep the shift to 100;
                  - passing (CC) - I will keep the 66-100 range to force more riskier passes for all teams;
                  - pressure - it was clear that this slider dictates where the midfield line will position. It's like a line height for midfielders. To prevent extreme positioning, I will use the 33-66 range;
                  - aggression - I got a surprise here. I was expecting extreme values to give different numbers of tackles, but it gave the exact same number! The difference was just the number of fouls. While playing 1 resulted on 0 fouls, 50 gave just 1 and 100 resulted on 3 fouls (only 22 in-game min). It was a short sample but was interesting to know that aggression maybe is linked to the fouls count (riskier/aggressive tackles), not number of tackles. So, here I will introduce a range of 66-100 for all teams and teams will be rated only by their fouls per game stat.
                  - width - also a little surprise here... I was expecting difference in defensive width but there were none. The defensive line width was the same independently of this slider value. The main difference was in the team shift to the ball side. That's good news. As I think in current days almost all teams use the width shift so I will shift the slider values to 20 (the minimal default value » high pressure default CT).

                  EDIT: UPDATE DONE

                  Cheers!
                  Like you, I've tested a lot of different things with CPU vs CPU play. The reason you see a lot of the same outcomes even when testing extreme values is that the games are scripted. For example, you can test 50 games on 20 minutes halves and no matter what you change or the style of the team the total passes will always be between 660 to 680...every single time.

                  I'm on the verge of deleting Fifa 17. It's such a terrible representation of the game itself and I'm getting tired of wasting time trying to get it play better.

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                  • ricardodc
                    MVP
                    • Oct 2014
                    • 1237

                    #10
                    Re: FIFA 17 Custom Tactics

                    Originally posted by "The dude abides"
                    Like you, I've tested a lot of different things with CPU vs CPU play. The reason you see a lot of the same outcomes even when testing extreme values is that the games are scripted. For example, you can test 50 games on 20 minutes halves and no matter what you change or the style of the team the total passes will always be between 660 to 680...every single time.

                    I'm on the verge of deleting Fifa 17. It's such a terrible representation of the game itself and I'm getting tired of wasting time trying to get it play better.
                    I understand that feeling. Sometimes I also think this is all a waste of time... But I end up trying to make it better. Mission impossible? Probably.

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                    • ricardodc
                      MVP
                      • Oct 2014
                      • 1237

                      #11
                      Re: FIFA 17 Custom Tactics

                      Update:

                      - pressure - lower limit from 33 to 10
                      - aggression - lower limit from 66 to 33

                      Unfortunately higher defensive aggression doesn't mean higher foul count. Two reasons why: permissive referees + super effective tackles/pulling/grabbing.

                      Cheers!

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                      • ComeAllWithin
                        Rookie
                        • May 2016
                        • 46

                        #12
                        Re: FIFA 17 Custom Tactics

                        Originally posted by ricardodc
                        On request...

                        Post your request if you want any other League or specific Team.
                        I would love to see the rest of the english leagues. Finallt started my CM with Grimsby and would love to be able to use these clear to the prem.

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                        • ricardodc
                          MVP
                          • Oct 2014
                          • 1237

                          #13
                          Re: FIFA 17 Custom Tactics

                          Originally posted by ComeAllWithin
                          I would love to see the rest of the english leagues. Finallt started my CM with Grimsby and would love to be able to use these clear to the prem.
                          I could, but I need the following team stats:

                          - total passes per game
                          - crosses per game for CC crossing
                          - long balls per game for BU passing
                          - pass accuracy% for CC passing
                          - shots out the box% for CC shooting
                          - shots in the middle against% for width
                          - fouls per game for aggression
                          - possession% for BU speed & pressing
                          - possession in the first third% for pressing
                          - possession in the final third% for pressing
                          - dribbles per game for attack positioning
                          - defensive form for cover vs offside

                          Unfortunately I can't find these stats for those leagues. If you can point me a way to get those numbers (if not all, at least some) I will gladly create the Custom Tactics.

                          Cheers!

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                          • acastan7
                            Rookie
                            • Feb 2015
                            • 18

                            #14
                            Re: FIFA 17 Custom Tactics

                            Originally posted by ricardodc
                            Added a small video to the first post to show how to set the custom tactics. I hope it helps.

                            Cheers!
                            In your short video Arsenal have a formation different from the EA Updates.. where did you get this formation out of curiosity?

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                            • ricardodc
                              MVP
                              • Oct 2014
                              • 1237

                              #15
                              Re: FIFA 17 Custom Tactics

                              Originally posted by acastan7
                              In your short video Arsenal have a formation different from the EA Updates.. where did you get this formation out of curiosity?
                              I have set Krebstar's Projec10 formations with my custom tactics.

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