FIFA online is NOT football

[Alfie]

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Online isn't perfect, but this year it's much improved.

There's build up play, lots of passing it around and backwards to break down the other team. the trend this year is towards park the bus and fast counters (similar to how leicester won the PL title).

offline - at least in the fifa - series had gotten stale for me. especially CM mode, where it's the exact same CM mode since Fifa 14. No money, time or energy has been put into CM, and maybe it never will be while FUT modes bring in so much mega profit to EA?

the robotic nature of the AI. they never miss a tackle, you can never sell them a shot fake, or do a skill move.

playing humans and the element of human error, still makes it a greater football sim (imo) than offline play.


The year playing squad battles is pretty good too. They collect all the team tactics and playing nuances from real life players and you can play their squads - even though you're playing the AI, it seems much improved over offline CM mode.

The CPU will perform skill moves, take bad touches, make bad passes and shoot poorly on goal. the CPU still never misses a tackle ... which until there is that kind of unpredictable element added to AI play, will kinda keep it stale for me.

Unfortunately that's how it's going to be. EA has made the call that offline CM/CFM is not worth their time and effort and FUT/MUT is the way to go. We have seen it with Madden and with FIFA and the same will happen with NBA Live. EA's focus is on team based sports titles where they can maximise revenue via MUT/FUT modes where people shell out money to buy virtual coins/cards. At the end of the day EA is a business and for them MUT/FUT players are the target audience as they bring in more avenue. Can't blame EA as I would do the exact same thing if I was running a company.

[GoDucks1224]

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Lol devs can change things, sure. But you’ll never change human nature. There will ALWAYS be people who want to play in an arcadey fashion. Even if it isn’t always feasible. They just wanna score goals. They don’t care about tactics or concise passes. They don’t care about defense other than flat out charging at whoever has the ball in an attempt to get it back fast and score more goals. You will never change people. I mean I guess you can punish them for doing that via game mechanics, but all that’ll end up happening is it hurts the franchise in the long run. It’ll turn people off, a lot of people. You may hate the online crowd, but their money is as valid as yours and it keeps the franchise running as much as yours does. I can’t stand online in any sports game because 80% of the people you play against don’t give a damn about the way it ‘should’ be played. But I totally understand that it’s necessary to keep these people invested, and their investment helps to ensure that I will be able to keep playing these games for decades to come. In my opinion, you thinking people won’t quit if EA makes their playstyle invalid, is naive. They absolutely will. I know plenty of casual soccer fans who only play FIFA to run up and down the pitch scoring goals. They don’t play video games a ton. They just like to sit down for an hour or so a day and score some goals. They will stop playing. They will spend their money elsewhere. They will find something else to occupy their time for a couple hours at the end of a work day or on the weekend. I know they aren’t alone in that logic. It’ll hurt the game long term. People will always be people, and you can’t put them in a box.

[Ghostrider1078]

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I don't play FUT matches against humans...last year I stuck to seasons and this year squad battles and seasons. Though even squad battles the teams can react like humans because they are programmed with the squad creator's CTT and such, but yeah I tried one time last year to qualify for a weekend league because the prize for finishing in a certain spot was a card I wanted, but I got blasted so I just gave up.

[saucerset]

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I came to the page to see if there were suggestions on how to counter the person that holds the contain button the whole game. Upon reading the comments on this thread, it seems like there isn't much to do when playing online.

I was playing one game recently and in the 2nd half I started using LT and RT together and it kind of backed off the defender instead of him being glued to my player. I worked the match into a draw but it was very frustrating. I've never been very good at the game and I lose way more than I win, but finding a way to at least be more competitive would be great.

[Alfie]

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I came to the page to see if there were suggestions on how to counter the person that holds the contain button the whole game. Upon reading the comments on this thread, it seems like there isn't much to do when playing online.

I was playing one game recently and in the 2nd half I started using LT and RT together and it kind of backed off the defender instead of him being glued to my player. I worked the match into a draw but it was very frustrating. I've never been very good at the game and I lose way more than I win, but finding a way to at least be more competitive would be great.

By "contain button" do you mean the team contain (X on PS4) or Teammate contain (R1 on PS4)?

[saucerset]

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By "contain button" do you mean the team contain (X on PS4) or Teammate contain (R1 on PS4)?

Holding down the A button (Xbox). I had to go look at my PS4 controller, yes the X button on PS4.

[Alfie]

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Holding down the A button (Xbox). I had to go look at my PS4 controller, yes the X button on PS4.

What does "contain" do? I'm sorry but I haven't used it. I generally use R1/RB as it brings a 2nd defender to help out. I could never figure out what X/A button (contain) does so never used it.

My defense generally consist of pressing L2/LB for jockeying, R1/RB to bring in a 2nd defender to put more pressure and use O for standing tackle. Never use Square button either as the diving tackle is way too risky. But would love to know if it's worth using the X/A button.

[stevostl]

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op this is why I play PES this year

mainly because online it plays more like real football.. there is no denying it

I feel your pain. I do miss the ease of getting into games in FIFA online and sometimes I miss clubs as well but for me I just want the more realistic h2h online play and PES gives me that now and it's playable

instead of having a FIFA league online I now do a PES league with my friends.

[stevostl]

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1. Most online h2h games are just high pressure super fast arcade style games.

in PES online you can easily beat someone who plays like this online.. this is the beauty of it. and probably my biggest reason on why i play it now

I could still counter these people in FIFA as I got to DIv 3 in fifa seasons but it's much harder and just frustrating even though I'm good at it. I feel like in FIFA online I get forced in to playing the run and gun style of play whereas in PES i can control the flow of the game how I want to and win using tactics that matter and easily holding possession with someone forcing 3 players at me all match long.

for me.. h2h in sports games is always the best way to play it. I like being competitive with friends..

playing ONLY against the computer AI for a year straight is mind blowing boring for myself. I don't see how those who do that can do that. for me it's too repetitive. but I respect those who do that. I'm in my 40's now and I still don't have the attention span to just play offline only. I chose to mainly play with my friends online in leagues and will even play online divisions in PES or seasons in FIFA as my preferred game modes.

but what the OP is talking about is one of the reasons I made the switch to PES this year after I played the pes Online beta i was amazed at how more realistic the online football was compared to fifa. I have't looked back since. I still probably will buy fifa soon enough like i usually do though. I suggest to the OP if you want a more realistic online gameplay experience buy PES as well. it still has it's problems as well just like fifa but in the end it's more a realistic footie experience online gameplay that is more enjoyable.. at least for me

[Ghostrider1078]

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I am feeling the frustration OP...my weekly FUT goals this week involved playing online seasons games so I decided to give it a try despite my earlier sentiment that I stuck to offline games.

I did okay at first, even won a couple games, but now I've lost several in a row and it seems that all the players play the same way. they park the bus, play the counter attack, and then anticipate my passes as I try to break down their defense.

I literally have no answer for these tactics. I admit I am not a good player...I'm likely average at best and mediocre at worst, but it sucks trying to overcome the way they play. I'm not saying they're cheating or anything like that, its just frustrating.

[burth179]

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The year playing squad battles is pretty good too. They collect all the team tactics and playing nuances from real life players and you can play their squads - even though you're playing the AI, it seems much improved over offline CM mode.

The CPU will perform skill moves, take bad touches, make bad passes and shoot poorly on goal. the CPU still never misses a tackle ... which until there is that kind of unpredictable element added to AI play, will kinda keep it stale for me.

I agree that is harder (against a high chemistry team - low chemistry teams are pretty easy still), but I am not convinced that it plays more "real life" in anyway.

They can press relentlessly for 90 minutes and their players have like half stamina left when all my players barely have any left (and I rotate squads so I always have 95+ stamina for each player before the game). Their endless stamina makes them win almost every 50/50 situation.

Granted most teams in FUT have extremely pacey players so the teams are going to have pace..

But they have unlimited stamina at the end of game after they have relentlessly harrassed you the entire game, it's simply not realistic at all.

I also don't really notice any tactical nuance from the AI either. I do notice them doing more skill moves and stuff like that, but they still pretty much just run down the wings looking for a cross or dribble by you for a cut back opportunity. I think part of it might be because it uses the custom tactics the user has set (which high pressure/aggression and ultra fast build up play)

[iKeesy]

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Have you thought about playing on full manual? I have entered full manual leagues which have 'slow' settings and the games feel a lot more like real football.

[Darth Vaguea]

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This is why I joined an online league that doesn't promote win at all costs. No custom tactics or formations. And I will never play against Randoms, just no point raising my blood pressure

[KBscholar]

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Have you thought about playing on full manual? I have entered full manual leagues which have 'slow' settings and the games feel a lot more like real football.

Are the full manual leagues just FUT? I always play full manual, and would enjoy playing full manual, non FUT leagues.

Also, I am always up for full manual online friendlies.

XBOne username: KBscholar

[stevostl]

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This is why I joined an online league that doesn't promote win at all costs. No custom tactics or formations. And I will never play against Randoms, just no point raising my blood pressure

you joined a fifa online league that doesn't allow custom tactics or formations?

i'm sorry but that doesn't sound like fun in my opinion..

every fifa league i Have done.... I always allow that for everyone to get to play their own style they choose. I think that is a big part of the fun seeing how people set up their formations and how to counter it and what works against what.

a full manual league would be great though. I never been in one of those yet but I would like it a lot i'm sure