Editing the CPU's Custom Tactics not working

[talucchesi]

Ricardodc and others in his slider thread are beginning to point this out. Let me first start off by saying this is easily the best Fifa we've had to date, and imo substantially better than it's competitor with slider adjustments.

However, I'm MASSIVELY disappointed that editing the CPU's tactics doesn't matter much as they seem to do as they please. I was very excited to create a custom tactics slider set this year but it doesn't look like that will be the case (once again), as the CPU ignores what you set for them pre-match.

I wish I had video evidence, but I tested this myself. During a match, I switched a second controller on and had used that second controller switch to the CPU side. I then pressed the touch pad during to become the goalie for the entire rest of the game...

All of the sudden my players began pressing high up the pitch, and looking to intercept passes (I set them to constant pressure pre-match)

I really hope this can be fixed with a patch but I'm not optimistic in the slightest. Is there an ideal way to make noise about this so that the devs can take notice?

[Chrisx]

Re: Editing the CPU's Custom Tactics not working

Can you edit all 5 tactic sheets once the match is under way though? Because the cpu will switch between them at will during the match I think. Not saying that it works or not, I'm just wondering what is the best way to test really. Maybe editing team sheets directly from the edit menu? I may give it a go.

[talucchesi]

Re: Editing the CPU's Custom Tactics not working

Can you edit all 5 tactic sheets once the match is under way though? Because the cpu will switch between them at will during the match I think. Not saying that it works or not, I'm just wondering what is the best way to test really. Maybe editing team sheets directly from the edit menu? I may give it a go.

I'm pretty sure I tried that already, if you could test this, that'd be great. Let me know what you find.

[Chrisx]

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I'm pretty sure I tried that already, if you could test this, that'd be great. Let me know what you find.

I think many things work but I also see your point.
What I did: Edit Teams -> Team Sheets

Picked Man City because we know how much they press in the game.
Imported Burnley tactics and made them default, and also changed the starting line up a bit, and made them drop deep, play possession, minimum number of men in the box for corners and stuff like that. Did that for all 5 team sheets including balanced.

Things that work:
They did start the game using Burnley formation + the players I choose to start. Settings like how many men should be in the box on corners definitely work. At the minimum setting they had 2-3 men in the box. If you max this out there are maybe 7-8 men in the box.

BUT unlike Burnley they pressed more when they lost the ball and didn't drop back early like Burnley (Played against Burnley too for testing). Possession is kinda hard to judge as I think most teams play direct and it depends on your play too, but they were def. pressing more and not dropping back as expected.

So things to consider here: Maybe a couple of things are indeed hardcoded (which would be bad, but not a disaster), or they are actually dynamic based on perceived team strength? (That doesn't sound too bad, does it). Needs more time than the two test games I played to figure out which is it. You may be right but some things definitely work as expected too.

[coach422001]

Re: Editing the CPU's Custom Tactics not working

I think many things work.
What I did: Edit Teams -> Team Sheets

Picked Man City because we know how much they press in the game.
Imported Burnley tactics and made them default, and also changed the starting line up a bit, and made them drop deep, play possession, minimum number of men in the box for corners and stuff like that. Did that for all 5 team sheets including balanced.

Things that work:
They did start the game using Burnley formation + the players I choose to start. Settings like how many men should be in the box on corners definitely work. At the minimum setting they had 2-3 men in the box. If you max this out there are maybe 7-8 men in the box.

BUT unlike Burnley they pressed more when they lost the ball and didn't drop back early like Burnley (Played against Burnley too for testing). Possession is kinda hard to judge as I think most teams play direct and it depends on your play too.

So things to consider here: Maybe a couple of things are hardcoded (which would be bad, but not a disaster), or they are actually dynamic based on perceived team strength? (That doesn't sound too bad, does it). Needs more time that the two test games I played to figure out which is it.

I started Arsenal as a drop deep long ball against city, but they seemed to press from the outset which is their default. I made the changes in the game menu, started play then slid the controller for Arsenal to middle. Then I played Huddersfield, and set their tactics to play deep, long ball. They opened playing deep and long ball (I started including crosses as they played a number of crosses). They got down 2-0 then scored one late in the half. I started the second half with Huddersfield set to constant press, playing higher up the pitch and fast build up. they seemed to follow suit.

I know from last year I was pretty convinced big teams didn't follow customized tactics. I am thinking though other clubs will at least follow the customized effort for a period of time, remains to be seen if they adapt or if I didn't just luck out first try. Assuming the same things we complain about year to year don't get fixed, it wouldn't surprise me if the big clubs are hardwired and the rest can be adjusted. More will need to be tested but I'm watching baseball right now!

[RoyceDa59]

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I knew this would be the case and I'm not surprised. Custom tactics for the CPU have never really worked correctly in Fifa for the last several installments.

[talucchesi]

Re: Editing the CPU's Custom Tactics not working

I knew this would be the case and I'm not surprised. Custom tactics for the CPU have never really worked correctly in Fifa for the last several installments.

Yea, this is unfortunately true. I was very excited for this year as I am obsessed with how certain teams set up but I feel disappointed once again.

The testing I did was against Eibar while using Barcelona.

Eibar likes to press high up the pitch even against big teams. But I just couldn't get them to do it no matter what I tried (even set them for constant pressure with an extremely high line).

I'll keep testing though. Maybe I'll try setting all 5 tactics exactly the same (Tactics, formation, and individual instructions)

[ricardodc]

Re: Editing the CPU's Custom Tactics not working

Ricardodc and others in his slider thread are beginning to point this out. Let me first start off by saying this is easily the best Fifa we've had to date, and imo substantially better than it's competitor with slider adjustments.

However, I'm MASSIVELY disappointed that editing the CPU's tactics doesn't matter much as they seem to do as they please. I was very excited to create a custom tactics slider set this year but it doesn't look like that will be the case (once again), as the CPU ignores what you set for them pre-match.

I wish I had video evidence, but I tested this myself. During a match, I switched a second controller on and had used that second controller switch to the CPU side. I then pressed the touch pad during to become the goalie for the entire rest of the game...

All of the sudden my players began pressing high up the pitch, and looking to intercept passes (I set them to constant pressure pre-match)

I really hope this can be fixed with a patch but I'm not optimistic in the slightest. Is there an ideal way to make noise about this so that the devs can take notice?

Hi!

100% agreed!

I am also holding on the creation of a custom tactics thread until I am sure CPU will use edited tactics.

I don't have the game so I rely on your feedback.

I believe "big" teams will have tactics locked (hardcoded) but if at least we could make the other teams play like they should would be nice.

Cheers!

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[PPerfect_CJ]

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Related or unrelated, I'm not sure, but formations aren't working, either. I changed Arsenal to use a 4-3-3 Flat which uses 2 CMs and no CDM, started Career Mode as Man City to test it out and CPU controlled Arsenal still started Elneny who is a CDM. For some reason, this game wants every team to start a CDM no matter what the formation calls for.

[Krebstar]

Re: Editing the CPU's Custom Tactics not working

Related or unrelated, I'm not sure, but formations aren't working, either. I changed Arsenal to use a 4-3-3 Flat which uses 2 CMs and no CDM, started Career Mode as Man City to test it out and CPU controlled Arsenal still started Elneny who is a CDM. For some reason, this game wants every team to start a CDM no matter what the formation calls for.

But he can play CM, also, so that's more of a selection issue than a determined to have a literal CDM role type of issue.

With any career mode testing, I always urge everyone to make sure they're using the customized squads, as when you first start career mode it automatically downloads the most updated if you don't have them.

[coach422001]

Re: Editing the CPU's Custom Tactics not working

Related or unrelated, I'm not sure, but formations aren't working, either. I changed Arsenal to use a 4-3-3 Flat which uses 2 CMs and no CDM, started Career Mode as Man City to test it out and CPU controlled Arsenal still started Elneny who is a CDM. For some reason, this game wants every team to start a CDM no matter what the formation calls for.

Interesting because last night I tried to play Arsenal as a sit back and play long team, didn't change their formation though and had Ramsey as a deep lying CM (not sure if it was a CDM in the formation) and no Elneny on the pitch. I'll try again tonight or tomorrow with some test Careers to see what the lineups look like by default and what shows up on the pitch, then try to make changes before starting career and see what happens there.

[PPerfect_CJ]

Re: Editing the CPU's Custom Tactics not working

But he can play CM, also, so that's more of a selection issue than a determined to have a literal CDM role type of issue.

With any career mode testing, I always urge everyone to make sure they're using the customized squads, as when you first start career mode it automatically downloads the most updated if you don't have them.

True, but if you set it for 2 CMs, the players with CM as their first position should get the nod. It was the first match of the year, so no match ratings would have affected anything. I was using my customized squad, so that wasn't the issue with me. Also, why the hell can we still not edit a guy to BE a regular CM? We can only do CAM, CDM, LM, or RM. It's been that way for a few years, now and makes no sense.


Edit: Krebs, I also edited Elneny's overall rating and stamina to be lower than the CMs and he still got the start.

[PPerfect_CJ]

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Interesting because last night I tried to play Arsenal as a sit back and play long team, didn't change their formation though and had Ramsey as a deep lying CM (not sure if it was a CDM in the formation) and no Elneny on the pitch. I'll try again tonight or tomorrow with some test Careers to see what the lineups look like by default and what shows up on the pitch, then try to make changes before starting career and see what happens there.

Was it in the first match, when no match ratings would affect lineups or was it later on in the season?

[Krebstar]

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Edit: Krebs, I also edited Elneny's overall rating and stamina to be lower than the CMs and he still got the start.

Ugh...that sucks. I'm just trying to live in a fantasy world and enjoy my career mode, haha, but noooooo.

[PPerfect_CJ]

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Ugh...that sucks. I'm just trying to live in a fantasy world and enjoy my career mode, haha, but noooooo.

If they would just open everything up to us like, I dunno, EVERY OTHER SPORTS GAME ON THE MARKET, things would be so much better for us Career Mode guys. I mean, we should be able to edit literally anything we want at this point!