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  • PhlliesPhan6
    MVP
    • Feb 2009
    • 1492

    #1

    Lineup jumbles when changing tactics

    This has happened in past years too but why does my lineup get scrambled up when I change tactics like Attacking or Defensive? My formation stays the same but where some players play gets all mixed up
    It this my design or am I doing something to mess it up in my Squad screen?
  • ~LiverpoolRed~
    YNWA
    • Dec 2008
    • 10755

    #2
    Re: Lineup jumbles when changing tactics

    It happens all the time to me unfortunately.

    If I play 4-2-3-1 for example and I'm holding onto 1-0 lead and switch to defensive. It automatically changes to a back 5 and the 5th defender is now my striker which is ridiculous. If I change tactics I quickly pause the game and manually alter the positions. Just the way it is I'm afraid.

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    • PhlliesPhan6
      MVP
      • Feb 2009
      • 1492

      #3
      Re: Lineup jumbles when changing tactics

      My theory has been that when you make substitutions on the main squad and move people around, for some reason those changes don't follow through on other tactics (like at some point you subbed your striker out for a 5th defender and moved him around). But I can't seem to find a way to fix it.

      Also, weirdly in my 4-4-3 Holding my LW and ST always show flipped on the pre game overlays.

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      • poulka
        Pro
        • Jan 2011
        • 928

        #4
        Re: Lineup jumbles when changing tactics

        This has been a problem since FIFA 21 next gen and has carried over to FIFA 22. It is not tied to substations because my default (chosen manually style of play is attacking) it changes my line up around as soon as switch attacking on at the beginning of match.

        I switch my players back and when close out tactics there another formation screen that appears that has to be reset as well just manually moving players back to their positions. Then I do a last check when I finally reach the pause screen. All this to just use attacking tactic but it changes on anything that is not normal. This needs to be addressed because constantly having to do this each match is tedious in my crammed and compact gaming time. I am surprised has not been brought up before.
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        • Hunkerdown
          MVP
          • Apr 2007
          • 5415

          #5
          Re: Lineup jumbles when changing tactics

          Legacy issue.

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          • Seancefc
            Rookie
            • May 2014
            • 442

            #6
            Re: Lineup jumbles when changing tactics

            It’s not really an ‘issue’…you just have to make sure you organise your player positions for each setting.

            I.e when you’re in your team sheet on the balanced setting and swap wingers with each other that change will ONLY take effect on balanced. If you don’t go into ultra defensive/defensive/attacking/ultra attacking and make the same change, then when you change setting during the match the wingers will go back to their original position.

            In a nutshell go into each of the above settings and place your players where you want them, save, then you’ll be set.

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            • ImmortalMindz
              Rookie
              • Nov 2015
              • 494

              #7
              Re: Lineup jumbles when changing tactics

              Originally posted by Seancefc
              It’s not really an ‘issue’…you just have to make sure you organise your player positions for each setting.

              I.e when you’re in your team sheet on the balanced setting and swap wingers with each other that change will ONLY take effect on balanced. If you don’t go into ultra defensive/defensive/attacking/ultra attacking and make the same change, then when you change setting during the match the wingers will go back to their original position.

              In a nutshell go into each of the above settings and place your players where you want them, save, then you’ll be set.
              I'd counter and say it absolutely is an issue, but like you described it's not without a work around. It's just super tedious and frustrating. Team Sheet tactical system is a mess.

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              • Seancefc
                Rookie
                • May 2014
                • 442

                #8
                Re: Lineup jumbles when changing tactics

                Originally posted by ImmortalMindz
                I'd counter and say it absolutely is an issue, but like you described it's not without a work around. It's just super tedious and frustrating. Team Sheet tactical system is a mess.
                My point is it’s working as designed. I’d agree the design itself is flawed but each tactic setting allows for separate formations etc. so it sort of makes sense the player positions being independent for each setting.

                It literally takes 5 mins to put your players where you want them at the start of a save…no big deal once you know how it works.

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                • ImmortalMindz
                  Rookie
                  • Nov 2015
                  • 494

                  #9
                  Re: Lineup jumbles when changing tactics

                  Originally posted by Seancefc
                  My point is it’s working as designed. I’d agree the design itself is flawed but each tactic setting allows for separate formations etc. so it sort of makes sense the player positions being independent for each setting.

                  It literally takes 5 mins to put your players where you want them at the start of a save…no big deal once you know how it works.
                  And my point is no, I do not think this is how it's supposed to be working. Unless I'm missing something, it makes no sense whereas we didn't have this problem until, I forget, last year maybe.

                  And while I hear what you're saying about potentially having different formations on each team sheet, which I have for several of my setups, all CPU teams only have one formation so it's a bit odd to then assume the system is built for multiple formations. If anything, the system has gotten worse for setups with multiple formations.

                  For someone who is constantly tweaking setups and tactics, it's not so simple as just putting players in the right spot at the beginning of the save and you're good to go. Maybe I'm missing something here but it's a massive source of frustration for me and seems a common complaint...

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                  • Mackrel829
                    MVP
                    • Mar 2019
                    • 1261

                    #10
                    Re: Lineup jumbles when changing tactics

                    Originally posted by ImmortalMindz
                    And my point is no, I do not think this is how it's supposed to be working. Unless I'm missing something, it makes no sense whereas we didn't have this problem until, I forget, last year maybe.

                    And while I hear what you're saying about potentially having different formations on each team sheet, which I have for several of my setups, all CPU teams only have one formation so it's a bit odd to then assume the system is built for multiple formations. If anything, the system has gotten worse for setups with multiple formations.

                    For someone who is constantly tweaking setups and tactics, it's not so simple as just putting players in the right spot at the beginning of the save and you're good to go. Maybe I'm missing something here but it's a massive source of frustration for me and seems a common complaint...
                    It absolutely is working as intended, and it isn't a bug. I got frustrated with this at first too but it makes sense that changes only apply to one setting.

                    If you swap your wingers on Neutral only, they won't switch for all other settings. So if you switch in game, the wingers will swap sides.

                    It's just from changing your line up on the Neutral team but not applying the same changes to all settings.

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                    • ImmortalMindz
                      Rookie
                      • Nov 2015
                      • 494

                      #11
                      Re: Lineup jumbles when changing tactics

                      Originally posted by Mackrel829
                      It absolutely is working as intended, and it isn't a bug. I got frustrated with this at first too but it makes sense that changes only apply to one setting.

                      If you swap your wingers on Neutral only, they won't switch for all other settings. So if you switch in game, the wingers will swap sides.

                      It's just from changing your line up on the Neutral team but not applying the same changes to all settings.
                      Just curious, how do you know this is intended? I don't recall ever hearing of this change from EA and this isn't how it used to be, while there's no shortage of complaints going around related to this...

                      Regardless, like OP said, intentional or not we're now required to spend a lot more time updating team sheets, especially with how much more important formations and tactics are now, and it's tedious as all hell. And if it was really intended that we'd now need to update all five setups when just making a sub, well talk about an awful change.

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                      • CSL
                        Pro
                        • Aug 2009
                        • 628

                        #12
                        Re: Lineup jumbles when changing tactics

                        This has always been the case/isn't some kind of bug. Unless you're playing the same starting 11 for every game with all the players in the exact same position, you're going to have players out of position when switching between attacking/defensive unless you check/change them before the game when picking your team. It can be frustrating when you forget to do it and switch tactics during the game and notice your CDM is now on the left wing but other than that, I don't really see what the issue is.
                        Yeah.

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                        • JayhawkerStL
                          Banned
                          • Apr 2004
                          • 3644

                          #13
                          Re: Lineup jumbles when changing tactics

                          Originally posted by ImmortalMindz
                          I'd counter and say it absolutely is an issue, but like you described it's not without a work around. It's just super tedious and frustrating. Team Sheet tactical system is a mess.
                          The biggest reason it happens is that people change formations without regard for the positions or secondary positions the players can play. A CAM might go to LM or ST if you switch to a formation with only CMs.

                          But sure, the game should just assume you want a guy out of position.

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                          • ImmortalMindz
                            Rookie
                            • Nov 2015
                            • 494

                            #14
                            Re: Lineup jumbles when changing tactics

                            Originally posted by JayhawkerStL
                            The biggest reason it happens is that people change formations without regard for the positions or secondary positions the players can play. A CAM might go to LM or ST if you switch to a formation with only CMs.

                            But sure, the game should just assume you want a guy out of position.
                            Do we really think the game is smart enough to do this though

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                            • JayhawkerStL
                              Banned
                              • Apr 2004
                              • 3644

                              #15
                              Re: Lineup jumbles when changing tactics

                              Originally posted by ImmortalMindz
                              Just curious, how do you know this is intended? I don't recall ever hearing of this change from EA and this isn't how it used to be, while there's no shortage of complaints going around related to this...

                              Regardless, like OP said, intentional or not we're now required to spend a lot more time updating team sheets, especially with how much more important formations and tactics are now, and it's tedious as all hell. And if it was really intended that we'd now need to update all five setups when just making a sub, well talk about an awful change.
                              Then do not change formations from what you start with. That's the default.

                              And when I am considering changes, I go into the tab for the setting I plan to use, and verify I have the players for the formation I want to use. When I change my attacking and defensive formations, I try to make the compatible with my default.

                              For my franchise, I know I have a CDM and a CAM on my bench. So I choose formations that use them, because when I sub in game, I know who I will be looking for most of the time.

                              If I get creative, yes, I check all my positions.

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