2010 FIFA World Cup Demo Available Now, Post Impressions Here

[I Peench]

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It's pretty darn noticeable to me. Especially when I play the demo, then pop in FIFA 10. Huge difference.

Don't own Fifa 10, but have played it regularly at a friends. I thought the demo was brilliant, noticeably better than 10 in the following areas:

-Tackling
-Fouls
-Dribbling
-Presentation
-Overall smoothness of the animations

Still have yet to determine if its a purchase for me. Seeing as I didn't buy Fifa 10, I'll probably shell out the dough for this.

[therizing02]

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Don't own Fifa 10, but have played it regularly at a friends. I thought the demo was brilliant, noticeably better than 10 in the following areas:

-Tackling
-Fouls
-Dribbling
-Presentation
-Overall smoothness of the animations

Still have yet to determine if its a purchase for me. Seeing as I didn't buy Fifa 10, I'll probably shell out the dough for this.

I'll agree with this. However, in the developers efforts to create a more "wide open" style of play it seems that they have have taken a step backwards to the 08/09 games.

After my first few games I thought that by changing formations I'd be able to alleviate my having to sprint around the pitch for 90 minutes. Well, that's incorrect. The CPU players have the physically impossible ability to change directions without compromising speed like they did in 08 and 09. Add this to the high build up settings and larger pitch and you have a sprinting ping pong arcade mess. This virtually eliminates the ability to play passing lanes because of the unrealistic speed that the CPU can change directions.

It looks like ONCE AGAIN CTT will have to be adjusted to get a realistic pace. Yes, the CPU does the pass the ball back, but it's sprint......quick pass back....one time forward.....etc....it's a joke.

Additionally, I have been playing a lot of FIFA 10 lately to compare and the second defender press button in this game is nowhere near the response time that it is in FIFA 10. It's similar to 09/08. In FIFA 10 if I hit the second defender press button, my defender moves now, not in this game, or at least nowehre near the majority of the time.

Another CPU issue. They are ALWAYS quicker to get on loose balls around the penalty area on WC. On Pro, my players make an effort, on WC. Nope. How about using ratings like awareness, quickness, positioning, and agility to determine this and some programmed CPU cheats????

I like the smoothness of the animations, I think the fouls are somewhat improved, and finally the speed of the ball has been increased to a somewhat realistic pace.

Hopefully some of the silly CPU cheats that have been in EVERY installment of this series make there way out of the retail version. Highly doubtful though.

[Qb]

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IThe CPU players have the physically impossible ability to change directions without compromising speed like they did in 08 and 09.

I think I mentioned this in my initial impressions. It feels more "twitchy" (I hate using the term but it works) like 09, which is disappointing since I thought it improved some in 10. But I was hesitant to put too much stock in my opinion since I'm trying to get used to playing the series on PS3 and it's not going too well...

[therizing02]

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I think I mentioned this in my initial impressions. It feels more "twitchy" (I hate using the term but it works) like 09, which is disappointing since I thought it improved some in 10. But I was hesitant to put too much stock in my opinion since I'm trying to get used to playing the series on PS3 and it's not going too well...

The only ounce of optimism that I have is that I know the Italian team is for the most part very slow, but there is no reason that dribblers should be able to change directions the way they do in this game.

Another thing I forgot to mention was that they STILL have not figured out how to keep the fullbacks from sucking into the center of the pitch leaving the wings wide open. Right now this game is wreaking arcade mess.

[P2K]

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I'll agree with this. However, in the developers efforts to create a more "wide open" style of play it seems that they have have taken a step backwards to the 08/09 games.

After my first few games I thought that by changing formations I'd be able to alleviate my having to sprint around the pitch for 90 minutes. Well, that's incorrect. The CPU players have the physically impossible ability to change directions without compromising speed like they did in 08 and 09. Add this to the high build up settings and larger pitch and you have a sprinting ping pong arcade mess. This virtually eliminates the ability to play passing lanes because of the unrealistic speed that the CPU can change directions.

It looks like ONCE AGAIN CTT will have to be adjusted to get a realistic pace. Yes, the CPU does the pass the ball back, but it's sprint......quick pass back....one time forward.....etc....it's a joke.

Additionally, I have been playing a lot of FIFA 10 lately to compare and the second defender press button in this game is nowhere near the response time that it is in FIFA 10. It's similar to 09/08. In FIFA 10 if I hit the second defender press button, my defender moves now, not in this game, or at least nowehre near the majority of the time.

Another CPU issue. They are ALWAYS quicker to get on loose balls around the penalty area on WC. On Pro, my players make an effort, on WC. Nope. How about using ratings like awareness, quickness, positioning, and agility to determine this and some programmed CPU cheats????

I like the smoothness of the animations, I think the fouls are somewhat improved, and finally the speed of the ball has been increased to a somewhat realistic pace.

Hopefully some of the silly CPU cheats that have been in EVERY installment of this series make there way out of the retail version. Highly doubtful though.

And you should doubt it. FIFA is what it is. It's arcade football. I know people will knock me for that and so on. So be it. It's arcade football with sick animations.

Skill ratings do not exist in the game. The game is about speed and strength. The more speed and strength you have on your squad, the more you win. That is why you get no individuality among players. Center backs can pass like midfielders. Strikers and tiny wing backs can tackle like DMs and center backs. Large center backs can chase down fast forwards with ease. Everyone on the field play like each other. And the better the team, the higher the speed and strength, the worse it gets.

And God forbid if you play anything above Professional.

And the God mode...*smh*

I know earlier it sounded like I was in love with FIFA. I like the demo alot. Because, I take it for what it is. At least they give me more freedom on the pitch and more fouls on the CPU.

[KG]

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I think I mentioned this in my initial impressions. It feels more "twitchy" (I hate using the term but it works) like 09, which is disappointing since I thought it improved some in 10. But I was hesitant to put too much stock in my opinion since I'm trying to get used to playing the series on PS3 and it's not going too well...

A buddy of mine made the switch from FIFA to the PS3 and he said the same thing.

[DickDalewood]

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I think I mentioned this in my initial impressions. It feels more "twitchy" (I hate using the term but it works) like 09, which is disappointing since I thought it improved some in 10. But I was hesitant to put too much stock in my opinion since I'm trying to get used to playing the series on PS3 and it's not going too well...

Man, I far prefer the PS3 version over the 360. I like the controls a lot better, especially the face buttons, which feel MUCH more responsive. But like you said, it could be a lot of just getting used to one over the other.

Either way, I can't wait for this to come out next week! I've played the demo WAY too much.

[Qb]

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Skill ratings do not exist in the game. The game is about speed and strength. The more speed and strength you have on your squad, the more you win. That is why you get no individuality among players. Center backs can pass like midfielders. Strikers and tiny wing backs can tackle like DMs and center backs. Large center backs can chase down fast forwards with ease. Everyone on the field play like each other. And the better the team, the higher the speed and strength, the worse it gets.

I think this sums it up quite well. You can notice small differences based on individual player skills, particularly on the user team when playing without assisted controls. But for the most part, speed & strength still reign supreme. And the lack of differentiation in defensive ability with respect to ratings really discourages a more "tactical" game. It's more or less "if you can get near him, you can tackle him" no matter who you're controlling.

But it can still be a boatload of fun if you approach it the right way and make the best of it. Like many games (and life in general), garbage in equals garbage out.

A buddy of mine made the switch from FIFA to the PS3 and he said the same thing.

Man, I far prefer the PS3 version over the 360. I like the controls a lot better, especially the face buttons, which feel MUCH more responsive. But like you said, it could be a lot of just getting used to one over the other.

I'm really torn as to what to do. My 360 can only hold two games on the HDD and I cannot count on it to read discs at this point. I still play NHL & FIFA on it, so I'd have to sacrifice FIFA since my NHL OTP team would kill me if I bailed on them. So I guess I'm going to have to give WC a shot on PS3 and see if I adapt. Then I can make more informed decision on FIFA11 this fall.

[rckabillyRaider]

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my spot just called me that they received the game. I'm gonna pick it up after work today. I'll post a video.

[Brownhornet]

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I second your opinion on soccer and the World Cup demo.

[StormJH1]

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And you should doubt it. FIFA is what it is. It's arcade football. I know people will knock me for that and so on. So be it. It's arcade football with sick animations.

Skill ratings do not exist in the game. The game is about speed and strength. The more speed and strength you have on your squad, the more you win. That is why you get no individuality among players. Center backs can pass like midfielders. Strikers and tiny wing backs can tackle like DMs and center backs. Large center backs can chase down fast forwards with ease. Everyone on the field play like each other. And the better the team, the higher the speed and strength, the worse it gets.

And God forbid if you play anything above Professional.

And the God mode...*smh*

I know earlier it sounded like I was in love with FIFA. I like the demo alot. Because, I take it for what it is. At least they give me more freedom on the pitch and more fouls on the CPU.

See, I'm going to disagree with that. There's a good chance you know a lot more about real soccer than I do, and there is truth to what you're saying, but it's all relative. I came to prefer FIFA over games like NHL 10 specifically BECAUSE I felt it did a better job differentiating player skills. Perhaps it's not done in the way you like, but size, skill, and strength do play a huge role in how I use players.

Some of the unheralded skill categories (aggressiveness, stamina, etc.) play a huge role in the game. I have a defensive midfielder with a poor OVR rating, but I always put him in my lineup for big games because his aggressiveness is 90+ and he wins balls in the midfield constantly. I'm keeping FIFA 10, whether I get 2010 World Cup or not.

If the price is $40, it may be worth a look. It's just a little steep of a price unless there are noticeable gameplay improvements b/c you basically get a tournament mode in exchange for all of the manager mode stuff I love.

[P2K]

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See, I'm going to disagree with that. There's a good chance you know a lot more about real soccer than I do, and there is truth to what you're saying, but it's all relative. I came to prefer FIFA over games like NHL 10 specifically BECAUSE I felt it did a better job differentiating player skills. Perhaps it's not done in the way you like, but size, skill, and strength do play a huge role in how I use players.

Some of the unheralded skill categories (aggressiveness, stamina, etc.) play a huge role in the game. I have a defensive midfielder with a poor OVR rating, but I always put him in my lineup for big games because his aggressiveness is 90+ and he wins balls in the midfield constantly. I'm keeping FIFA 10, whether I get 2010 World Cup or not.

And I've had tiny, not-so-aggressive win the ball away from my highly skilled, bigger and more balanced CDM. With ease.

That's not skill differential. That is a terrible game engine. There is a reason EA went into the engine for the WC demo and, for the most part, cut that crap out.

Now, what I wonder and what is actually making me contemplate buying this game, is that the demo gives us just Italy and Spain. I want to see if how it works with lesser squads. If you can lose the ball more easily with lesser talent, then I will agree with you.

But, in FIFA 10, individual skills are not accounted for.

[P2K]

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Oh...and saying stamina plays a huge role in FIFA 10 is just pure comedy.

[ezio]

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And I've had tiny, not-so-aggressive win the ball away from my highly skilled, bigger and more balanced CDM. With ease.

That's not skill differential. That is a terrible game engine. There is a reason EA went into the engine for the WC demo and, for the most part, cut that crap out.

Now, what I wonder and what is actually making me contemplate buying this game, is that the demo gives us just Italy and Spain. I want to see if how it works with lesser squads. If you can lose the ball more easily with lesser talent, then I will agree with you.

But, in FIFA 10, individual skills are not accounted for.

IMO I believe you can lose it easier with lesser teams. Although, maybe still not to the degree you may like. I have been playing with the US alot and then I did one of the scenarios with Brazil and it was a world of difference to me. I agree with you in that in Fifa 10 it didn't make much difference who you played with because it felt the same. I think in the WC game you do notice a difference IMO.

[ezio]

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Oh...and saying stamina plays a huge role in FIFA 10 is just pure comedy.

It will make a difference if you play in a stadium that is at altitude. Otherwise, I agree with you