FIFA 17 Simulation Sliders

[ricardodc]

Re: FIFA 17 Simulation Sliders

I will start to mess up with other sliders (RF, lines) and do some fine tuning to the ones already changed.

Pack 1.6:
Acceleration 48
Shot error 55
Pass error 60
Shot speed 49
Pass speed 46
Marking 55
Run Frequency 45
FT error 55


10/10/2016. Test #14:

Accrington (1*) vs Arsenal (5*)
15 min halves
CPU vs CPU
Default sliders + Pack 1.6

Default stats between ()

WORLD CLASS
Goals 0-3 (0-2)
Shots 3-20 (1-19)
Shots on target 1-10 (1-10)
Possession% 35-65 (39-61)
Tackles 16-11 (21-29)
Fouls 5-2 (0-2)
Injuries 0-2 (1-0)
Offsides 0-0 (0-1)
Corners 1-3 (1-3)
Shot accuracy% 33-50 (100-52)
Pass accuracy% 83-93 (87-95)

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PROFESSIONAL
Goals 0-1 (3-5)
Shots 2-24 (6-23)
Shots on target 1-12 (3-12)
Possession% 36-64 (37-63)
Tackles 20-18 (20-19)
Fouls 6-1 (4-1)
Injuries 0-0 (0-0)
Offsides 0-1 (1-0)
Corners 2-12 (1-6)
Shot accuracy% 50-50 (50-52)
Pass accuracy% 83-94 (88-95)

Comments: tested lower RF, 51 Line Height, 49 Line Length, higher FT. Stats did not went well. Tomorrow will continue...

Cheers!

[ricardodc]

Re: FIFA 17 Simulation Sliders

Not that bad, execpt pass accurasy for Acrrington 83%!, almost never
gonna happen, and against Arsenal, no way!. A league 2 team should normal be in 60-70 %.

True. But raising pass error too much will hurt all CPU teams ability to create chances. What probably will result is, you decrease pass accuracy slightly for the weaker side but the better side won't be able to be as dominant as it should.

As always, a balance is needed between what we wish to accomplish and what is possible.

It's very hard (maybe impossible) to make a 30 (or 40) min videogame to have the same stats and gameplay as the real 90 min sport.

Cheers!

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[ricardodc]

Re: FIFA 17 Simulation Sliders

Hi mate
Pass accuracy is problematic, and it is also one of the reason I do not see real team ID in Fifa 17.

Pass accuracy... There's some theory/fact(?) that the real pass accuracy should be -10% that what it's shown to us.

Rel team ID = team custom tactic. It's there this year. The problem is that as someone mentioned it seams that teams tactics are not updated since FIFA 14. So, you need to do all the work to setup all teams default tactics to fit the current real teams tactics.

Not what i see. Good player (and the teams) can still create chances, even if you raise PE, as does FT error.

It was not so in FIFA 16. Pass error over 60 would hurt CPU ability too much. Not mentioning CPU crosses.

True, but we try to get as close to reality as possible. I have no illusion that we come very close to reality , but 20 minutes is the closest you get in proportion to the statistics.

I agree. Unfortunately there are not many users using 20 min halves.


1 game using:
Acceleration 48
Shot error 55
Pass error 70
Shot speed 49
Pass speed 46
Marking 55
GK ability 48
FT error 70

Accrington (1*) vs Arsenal (5*)
20 min halves
CPU vs CPU

WORLD CLASS
Goals 0-6
Shots 0-20
Shots on target 0-13
Possession% 37-63
Tackles 24-27
Fouls 2-2
Injuries 0-0
Offsides 0-0
Corners 0-6
Shot accuracy% 0-65
Pass accuracy% 84-92

Didn't do much to change pass accuracy. Any other suggestion?

Cheers!

P.S.: did tested 99 pass error to see what it does. Only 22 in game min. CPU was at >90% pass accuracy. They limit their passes to the short safer ones. Also, a short test editing Accrington tactic to a more direct and riskier. Pass accuracy was in the higher 70ies...

[ricardodc]

Re: FIFA 17 Simulation Sliders

Hi mate

I also have (long) heard of the theory with the 10 percent. But before some shows me how the theory holds, i dont belive it. Prove me wrong, Please. If it's a miscalculation, should EA so not long havd directed it ?.

Did you never seen teams scoring goals and having 0 shots on target? I have. So, that said, I believe almost everything is possible with EA stats...

Perhaps we should clarify what we understand by Team ID?. For me it means I can tell the difference between the play as Liverpool or Barnet. My contention is that I can not. But I can on the pitch see that Liverpool is Barnet superior, but this is due to EA have made strength difference. If you are Arsenal and playing Accrington fc, you will not notice any difference if you used Barnet instead of Accrington. And the day you can (if it ever happens) it is in my world Team ID.

What you need to have a Team ID? Just add players IDs and teams tactics. In FIFA 17 you can feel the different strengths in teams because individual players strengths. Not sure about teams tactics on those lower leagues teams. Didn't check if they are all the same or if they appear to be realistic.

Why should they not have updated team tactics since 14, it sounds mildly, unlikely with all the updates and opportunities for that, we now 2/3 years after discover the missing team updates?. If it is true, then we achieve what we deserve.

That's easy to check. Do you have past FIFA's copies, do you? Check for example Man City and Man Utd default tactics in FIFA 16 and FIFA 17 and see if they are the same or not.

No, and I do not believe in the quick fix with slider, Perhaps therefore "invented" the 10 % fix? .You can with equal teams use ft error and pass error. But apart from pass accuracy your numbers look great.

Apart the non-fixable stats issues (fouls, pass accuracy) the rest looks fine.

What next? I don't believe in changing LINES and FB. They look fine to me. Maybe I will take a look at sprint speed and RF. I would love to slower the pace while keeping CPU offense threatening (keeping total shots numbers realistic).

Cheers!

[ricardodc]

Re: FIFA 17 Simulation Sliders

I'm testing right now Bordeaux (4) vs Amiens(1½) with error FT 100/100 and PE error 100/100, 60 minutes into the game is Amiens PA of 84%, so no changes by using extreme . Could you elaborate on that last one I did not understand ?.

Before starting the game, went to the Accrington tactic menu, selected custom tactic and edited those build up play sliders values.

We need https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?pli=1#gid=0 for FIFA 17.

[ricardodc]

Re: FIFA 17 Simulation Sliders

Sorry mate, it's not the same numbers !, albeit part numbers are the same in Man. City of fifa 16 and 17.

Good. At least BPL teams had some update in their tactics. Did you check lower leagues and other countries.

yes ok, I know. Have used many of the team tactics in Fifa 15. But if you look closely at them you will find that they almost impossible to transfer them to fifa, not least league 1 and 2. Pass speed 10 or 15, or team width 10?!, hardly. But the idea is good.

I agree.

just played a game with Bordeaux vs Blackpool and raised all (blackpools) tactics to 100 to see some crazy action, well i did nothing happen?. Im doing something wrong?.
Cheers!

Tactics sliders are just as weird as gameplay sliders. They don't work as we think they should, at least it's not obvious enough.

Cheers!

[ricardodc]

Re: FIFA 17 Simulation Sliders

Yesterday made several tests. Tried some new values for Sprint Speed, Pass Error, Marking, Gk, RF and FT error. Nothing made Accrington below the 80% pass accuracy mark.

Also, I am still not happy with the overall pace of the game and animations speed. Lowering Sprint Speed and RF does little. Pass speed is already at a low value. Don't want to reduce it more. Tomorrow I will test a lower acceleration.

Suggestions?

Cheers!

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[Gonira]

Re: FIFA 17 Simulation Sliders

Did you never seen teams scoring goals and having 0 shots on target? I have. So, that said, I believe almost everything is possible with EA stats...

for some reason, ea doesn't count penalty kicks as shots.

[ricardodc]

Re: FIFA 17 Simulation Sliders

for some reason, ea doesn't count penalty kicks as shots.

If they miss such an obvious stat, how can they get pass accuracy right?... Nevertheless I want Accrington pass accuracy lower than 80%.

That remind me the new in-game player stats graphic that most of the times says "player x missing the target" and he has 0 Shots on goal.

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[ricardodc]

Re: FIFA 17 Simulation Sliders

There is something with Fifa lines!. By increasing the lines I see right now in cpu vs cpu Several more free kick, red card (long ago) and more physics, hmm ?. And what I was looking for namely offsides, good.

What values?

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[ricardodc]

Re: FIFA 17 Simulation Sliders

End to End Camera!
World Class best result so far...
CPU/CPU (20 min)
49/49 Sprint Speed
49/49 Acceleration
55/55 Shot Error
60/60 Pass Error
50/50 Shot Speed
50/50 Pass Speed
50/50 Injury Frequency
50/50 Injury Severity
50/50 GK Ability
60/60 Marking
25/25 Run Frequency
55/55 Line Height
50/50 Line Length
52/52 Line Width
25/25 FB Positioning
60/60 FT Control

Cheers

I will give it a try tomorrow.

What do you think about the new patch? I hope that the AI more direct gameplay means more long balls and riskier passes and so a decrease in pass accuracy. But I am almost sure it won't be so...

Cheers!

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[ricardodc]

Re: FIFA 17 Simulation Sliders

Accrington (1*) vs Arsenal (5*)
15 min halves
CPU vs CPU
14/10 The Old Dane set

WORLD CLASS
Accrington default tactic

Goals 1-3
Shots 2-15
Shots on target 2-6
Possession% 36-64
Tackles 16-14
Fouls 0-0
Injuries 0-0
Offsides 0-3
Corners 2-5
Shot accuracy% 100-40
Pass accuracy% 84-94

WORLD CLASS
Accrington long balls tactic

Goals 0-3
Shots 5-9
Shots on target 3-6
Possession% 37-63
Tackles 33-14
Fouls 2-5
Injuries 0-1
Offsides 0-0
Corners 2-2
Shot accuracy% 60-66
Pass accuracy% 83-92

WORLD CLASS
Accrington counter-attack tactic

Goals 0-0
Shots 0-17
Shots on target 0-2
Possession% 36-64
Tackles 27-15
Fouls 2-1
Injuries 0-1
Offsides 0-0
Corners 0-3
Shot accuracy% 0-11
Pass accuracy% 78-93

Looking for some kind of difference between tactics.

[ricardodc]

Re: FIFA 17 Simulation Sliders

Accrington (1*) vs Arsenal (5*)
15 min halves
CPU vs CPU
14/10 The Old Dane set

LEGENDARY
Accrington default tactic

Goals 0-2
Shots 6-7
Shots on target 4-5
Possession% 41-59
Tackles 21-13
Fouls 2-3
Injuries 0-2
Offsides 0-0
Corners 2-3
Shot accuracy% 66-71
Pass accuracy% 85-95

LEGENDARY
Accrington long balls tactic

Goals 0-3
Shots 3-15
Shots on target 1-6
Possession% 38-62
Tackles 17-17
Fouls 0-3
Injuries 0-0
Offsides 0-2
Corners 0-6
Shot accuracy% 33-40
Pass accuracy% 88-94

LEGENDARY
Accrington counter-attack tactic

Goals 0-2
Shots 3-13
Shots on target 0-6
Possession% 37-63
Tackles 16-20
Fouls 1-1
Injuries 0-0
Offsides 0-0
Corners 2-6
Shot accuracy% 0-46
Pass accuracy% 83-94

[ricardodc]

Re: FIFA 17 Simulation Sliders

Accrington (1*) vs Arsenal (5*)
15 min halves
CPU vs CPU
14/10 The Old Dane set

PROFESSIONAL
Accrington default tactic

Goals 1-3
Shots 7-18
Shots on target 2-10
Possession% 36-64
Tackles 21-20
Fouls 1-2
Injuries 0-0
Offsides 0-1
Corners 3-4
Shot accuracy% 28-55
Pass accuracy% 83-94

PROFESSIONAL
Accrington long balls tactic

Goals 0-2
Shots 5-14
Shots on target 2-7
Possession% 37-63
Tackles 21-16
Fouls 2-1
Injuries 0-1
Offsides 0-2
Corners 1-7
Shot accuracy% 40-50
Pass accuracy% 82-92

PROFESSIONAL
Accrington counter-attack tactic

Goals 0-5
Shots 3-20
Shots on target 0-13
Possession% 37-63
Tackles 20-19
Fouls 0-0
Injuries 0-0
Offsides 0-0
Corners 1-4
Shot accuracy% 0-65
Pass accuracy% 83-92

Comments: stats don't look any different when changing tactic from default to long balls or counter-attack. Disappointing...

[ricardodc]

Re: FIFA 17 Simulation Sliders

As I said the last day, I could not notice changes. The last desperate attempt, let us try with two equally strong teams (I do) and change tactics, though I doubt it. Accrington counter-attacking is the same as EA publish to quit FUT, is not happening
Cheers!

Good luck... I will just wait for the patch (PS4).

Cheers!