More PES 2009 Info

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You guys talk as if Manager Mode is any good. Both the majors soccer games have crap franchise modes and it sucks. FIFA's has HUGE bugs in logic that they have already said won't be handled this year. What the HELL kind of business are you running where you ignore major bugs in the next major release.

Honestly I might skip both games this year and try out Football Manager.

[Bahnzo]

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Everyone kills EA for recycling crap, but they fellate PES and the ML for whatever reason. I don't get it one bit. I want a good season mode, not a 2000ish era season mode.

I get it, because I used to be a PES fanboy I guess. But it's more than that, it's an "elitism" that PES fans feel, that their game is better than the big corporate bad boy's. I really liked PES back in the PS2 days, but didn't subscribe to the pompus attitude of a lot of PES people on the message boards back then. Now that the worm has turned, a lot of these same people now hang on for dear life that their game is still as good as it was and EA is still the evil mutha f'er. It's pretty sad really. I just want to play what's good and I enjoy....who makes it doesn't really matter to me who makes it.

[Bahnzo]

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You guys talk as if Manager Mode is any good. Both the majors soccer games have crap franchise modes and it sucks. FIFA's has HUGE bugs in logic that they have already said won't be handled this year. What the HELL kind of business are you running where you ignore major bugs in the next major release.

Honestly I might skip both games this year and try out Football Manager.

I don't buy FIFA for it's manager mode. I buy it for online mostly, and single player as a distant second. That's no reason that it shouldn't be improved for those who do though. But if managing a soccer team was more important to me, then FM or others are a much better choice.

[calcutta]

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I'm looking forward to both games this year again, and i've already pre-ordered both.

I still prefer PES in a number of gameplay areas such as long range shooting, passing (i feel i have more control over where i want to pass, but i agree the speed of the ball is too fast), defense (fouls are actually called!), all types of set pieces, strategy (both in terms of types of strategies you can run, and the controls for activating them) and aerial play. FIFA wins when it comes to realistic game speed and skill movess for sure...but thats about it IMO.

I prefer PES in a few non-gameplay areas too like game presentation (when will FIFA finally get rid of their stupid substitution cut scene!?!) and menu navigation...the menus in PES 08 may not look 'professional' but there's practically no loading times and its so quick to navigate everywhere, whereas in FIFA for example, when editing players or manually updating rosters, then saving and then you want to edit another player, it always backs out to the main menu and when you re-enter it reverts to your favourite team...very annoying and unnecessary. Of course FIFA wins in online play and even though i have many gripes with Manager Mode, its still crapped all over last season's 'new' Master League.

In the end, i still prefer PES for solo play, but prefer FIFA for online play.

[spit_bubble]

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We get it, you don't like EA and still think that despite a great game last year, they are still evil soul sucking vampires and PES will forever be the best because it's not made by EA. Whatever.

...PES has a long way to go to prove they deserve my money after the second rate garbage they've put out the last couple years on the 360...

Yeah, I spent over 100 hours editing classic players into MVP 2005 because I hate EA.

PES 2008 lacked many things, to say the least, and on the pitch it was sub par when compared to past efforts, but it still plays better than FIFA 08... If you think otherwise you're only fooling yourself.

Truth.

I think our little buddy has an agenda to run with and we're blocking his game lol.

The fact that PES 2009 is coming back with the same lousy Master League and basically the same...well...EVERYTHING ELSE...why the hell should anybody pay for that?

It was cute at first because it was "our" game and we put up with it because the gameplay was kick-***. But now, another year of this crap and the gameplay is on a couple bottles of speed. Nah uh. No more.

You're delusional...

Agenda??? The truth is no agenda.

My game? I couldn't give two f***s about PES. If PES 2009 somehow manages to pull it together in such a short time, then that'd be great. If FIFA 09 actually plays like real soccer this time around, that'd be great too. I honestly don't see either of these things happening, and will likely wait for next year's efforts.

And for the last time, my issues with EA are for their clear attempts to pull the wool over people's eyes. If you can't see what I'm talking about, then there's really nothing I can do for you. This isn't even a problem exclusive to EA either... I could site many examples across the board... From the recent EA football reviews at 1up... To the firing of the reviewer at Gamespot a while back (Jeff Gertsmann??? I forget his name)... To Hideo Kojima's request that the long cutscenes in MGS4 not be mentioned in any reviews...

But by my estimation, and to anyone who spends even the most paltry effort examining these things, EA stands out as the worst perpetrators in the industry.

But yeah, I guess it's easier to just ignore it.

[P2K]

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Yeah, I spent over 100 hours editing classic players into MVP 2005 because I hate EA.

PES 2008 lacked many things, to say the least, and on the pitch it was sub par when compared to past efforts, but it still plays better than FIFA 08... If you think otherwise you're only fooling yourself.





You're delusional...

Agenda??? The truth is no agenda.

My game? I couldn't give two f***s about PES. If PES 2009 somehow manages to pull it together in such a short time, then that'd be great. If FIFA 09 actually plays like real soccer this time around, that'd be great too. I honestly don't see either of these things happening, and will likely wait for next year's efforts.

And for the last time, my issues with EA are for their clear attempts to pull the wool over people's eyes. If you can't see what I'm talking about, then there's really nothing I can do for you. This isn't even a problem exclusive to EA either... I could site many examples across the board... From the recent EA football reviews at 1up... To the firing of the reviewer at Gamespot a while back (Jeff Gertsmann??? I forget his name)... To Hideo Kojima's request that the long cutscenes in MGS4 not be mentioned in any reviews...

But by my estimation, and to anyone who spends even the most paltry effort examining these things, EA stands out as the worst perpetrators in the industry.

But yeah, I guess it's easier to just ignore it.

Here's your problem, kiddo. You're focusing on something that has nothing to do with pretty much anything. It's not like someone came in here and said "FIFA RuLeZ AlLZ!!! EaT iT!!!". You went off when someone pointed out factual gripes with PES 2008 and it got your panties in a bunch.

We get your agenda. It's clear as day and it's fine that you have it. But you now need to ease up with it because you are trying too hard to cover up your backpedaling with whatever the hell you are spewing and frankly, I have idea where you are heading.

This thread isn't about YOU and how YOU feel. Everyone has a right to their opinion and they do not need YOU coming from behind each post, calling these people naive, brainwashed or insane because of how they feel about PES and FIFA.

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"Here's your problem, kiddo. You're focusing on something that has nothing to do with pretty much anything. It's not like someone came in here and said "FIFA RuLeZ AlLZ!!! EaT iT!!!". You went off when someone pointed out factual gripes with PES 2008 and it got your panties in a bunch."

Nope. See post #19, where I responded to this myth that FIFA is "finally pushing PES". Yes, the two games might appear closer than ever, but that really has very little to do with FIFA actually improving. They've made some minor adjustments, sure, but the gap closing has more to do with PES publishing less than stellar efforts... Along with the EA marketing team planting the seed a few years ago that FIFA was "catching up".

Go back and read just about any review for FIFA starting with 06... You'll see just about every one mentioning how FIFA is "catching up". Where do you think they come up with this? Do you honestly think that these review sites are autonomous? Come on now.

"We get your agenda. It's clear as day and it's fine that you have it. But you now need to ease up with it because you are trying too hard to cover up your backpedaling with whatever the hell you are spewing and frankly, I have idea where you are heading."

You see, the word agenda implies that there is something underlying about what I'm doing. Not the case at all... In fact it's the very opposite. I'm trying to bring light upon something that, on a certain level, is profoundly disturbing.

If you carefully reread everything I've posted in this thread you'll find no backpedaling. I've been entirely honest, and a bit of smack talking aside, I've also done my best to be truthful. If this is too much for you to comprehend, I'll guess you'll just have to continue seeing it all as divided into "sides".

"This thread isn't about YOU and how YOU feel. Everyone has a right to their opinion and they do not need YOU coming from behind each post, calling these people naive, brainwashed or insane because of how they feel about PES and FIFA."

Making people think about how and why they perceive the world the way they do is never a bad thing, especially when it's backed by an appeal to be true.

[P2K]

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You're talking so much bull****, it's not even worth responding to.

We're giving opinions on video games. Not talking about psychology and the ancient art of subliminal messages. Go take your nutty pills, will ya.

[spit_bubble]

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You're talking so much bull****, it's not even worth responding to.

We're giving opinions on video games. Not talking about psychology and the ancient art of subliminal messages. Go take your nutty pills, will ya.

Stubbornness combined with an inability to look beyond one's self is hardly a way to go through life.

I've even stopped dissing you and you're still frustrated. I guess it's just best to leave it alone.

[southernbelle]

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the civil war between pes and fifa is still king!

[mdbussen]

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I guess it's just best to leave it alone.

Best thing either one of you has said so far. Time to agree to disagree.

[Gamecocks625]

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More info:

PES Unites!
Konami unveils new modes and gamplay additions as PES 2009 strives to band together PES players in the quest for football perfection

Konami Digital Entertainment GmbH has revealed further details of the many gameplay additions in its forthcoming PES 2009 title, and has explained its unique ‘PES Unites’ slogan that has been designed to band together fans of the beautiful game via its new game modes.

Due for release on PLAYSTATION®3, Xbox 360, PlayStation®2, PC-DVD, PSP® (PlayStation®Portable) and mobile phones in Autumn 2008 (followed by a Wii version in spring 2009), PES 2009 has been reworked from the ground up. New player models, AI elements and physics routines all combine to create the most advanced and realistic football game ever, but at the heart of PES 2009 are two new modes designed to make players rethink the way they approach the game.

‘PES Unites’ is the key phrase Konami is using to sum up the ethos of the new game. PES 2009 also improves on its many existing game modes and adds a number of new ways to play the game. Central to this is the new ‘Become a Legend’ solo mode, which casts the user as a midfielder or striker within a match. Using a default vertical camera view, the player starts as a rookie pro at the start of their career, and charts the many highs and lows of becoming a professional player. An extension of the popular ‘Fix’ mode, the ‘Become a Legend’ mode sees the player operate in their favoured attacking position, and work as part of the overall team as opposed to controlling every member as in a normal game.

If successful, the player must first cement their place in the starting line-up with strong performances, before catching the eye of bigger clubs and earning a move to top flight teams. Of course, results are everything in modern day football, and players must force their way into contention or face lengthy stints as a substitute or eventually be forced to take a step down to a smaller club if performances are not good enough. The ‘Become a Legend’ mode has already proved a massive hit in Japanese versions of PES since 2007, and is certain to enjoy similar status across Europe.

PES 2009 also boasts an online variant of the ‘Become a Legend’ mode, entitled simply ‘Legends.’ Players can use their saved player in online matches with like-minded friends, and can show their skills on the larger online stage.

The PES series has always been famed for its deep yet accessible control system, but the new game is aiming even higher. PES 2009 offers an unprecedented level of control, redefining the intricacies of first touch, close control and ball distribution, while also enhancing its shooting and AI mechanisms to create an all-round footballing experience. Konami’s Tokyo-based Pro Evolution Soccer Production Team has introduced new control systems wherein the player can now perform tricks and feints without the use of special moves, but within the context of the player’s run and via rapid turns and movements of the Dpad or analogue stick.

Likewise, the way the player guides the ball has been changed. The PES series has always treated the ball as a separate entity, but new calculations related to the air resistance and friction of the ground make passing and movement in PES 2009 a great deal more realistic. Different weather conditions will now have a more pronounced effect on the weight and movement of passes, with players having to compensate for more heavy conditions in poor weather.

Producer Shingo ‘Seabass’ Takatsuka and his team have also worked to extend the remit of their Teamvision AI routines, with on-screen team mates adapting their tactics according to current situations, and moving into space to assist the player in attacking and defensive situations. Teamvision also recognizes strategies that work for or against it, and will accumulate the data for use in Master League and League mode.

“It is an honour to know that our game is enjoyed by so many people from different backgrounds,” said Takatsuka of the new additions. “From top professional players, to football enthusiasts and kids who just want a kickabout in the streets, its appeal is widening all the time. The new Become a Legend and Legends Modes are designed to convey the pressure and pace a real pro experiences, with players working as part of a strong side and working to prove their merit as a player. I feel great and motivated when people enjoy our games, and feel the new modes will open up new ways to enjoy PES.”

The ever-present Master League has also been reworked, with negotiations now a lot simpler and conducted on a two-tier club and personal basis, while loyalty now plays a part with disaffected players’ moods having an adverse affect on their performances.

Adding an all-new layer of gloss to PES 2009’s much-enhanced realism, the game has also undergone a radical aesthetic upgrade. Stadiums now have more realistic environment and atmospheric elements, while the PLAYSTATION®3 and Xbox 360 versions will also showcase LED hoardings. Likewise, the way distance is shown has been changed, with the use of contrast adding a depth field to the action, while there is also a new vertical camera angle that automatically switches to a closer proximity during key one-on-one situations.

Every player in the game has also been totally redefined, with all new face and body detail, with further facial animations and kit detailing adding to the realism. The game’s Edit mode has also been boosted with the ability to create bespoke matches via the importing of faces, kits, and even sound files for specific music and crowd chants for any team. A new Pixel Paint system has also been integrated, allowing players to create their own club crests and badges to add to their home-grown kits.

“We have pulled out all the stops to make PES 2009 a landmark in footballing games,” commented Jon Murphy, PES Project Leader for Konami Digital Entertainment GmbH. “From the most basic controls, through to the wide-ranging additions to game modes such as ‘Become a Legend’, all-new visuals, sound, and the Edit mode, Seabass and his team have strived to cram as much as they can into the new game. And with more online announcements to follow, there is every reason to believe that PES 2009 is the football game everyone has been waiting for.”

Press release not enough for you? How about a bullet point list of all the new, key additions for PES!

Gameplay:
Close control more intuitive:
• Manual cursor control
• Adjusted trick control for easier control – more within natural control parameters than via special movements

Ball movement more realistic:
• Ball has always been treated as separate entity, but 2009 has new air resistance calculations for trajectory of ball
• Instant control. Buttons presses are no longer stored, making for a crisper playing style
• Heavier foot-in tackles, depending on the length X is depressed
• New friction routines to affect ball movement in terms of ground conditions
• Backspin routines calculated so ball slows accordingly
• The bounce of the ball can be used more effectively: players can flick the ball up to tee a shot, or to lift it over a defender’s trailing leg
• Skills are now integrated more into the game. If a player has the ability, they will be able to perform deft turns others cannot and will be able to feint and shimmy within the confines of the control system
• Player has to compensate for heaviness of ground when weighting passes in wet conditions or frozen ground

Teamvision enhanced:
• Tactics change according to situation
• Better off-the-ball movement – running to receive passes, etc
• AI recognizes strategies that work and accumulates data on an ongoing basis within Master League and League modes

Visuals:
Stadiums:
• Graphic depiction of weather conditions unique to each stadium
• Much more detailed lighting effects that mimic the time of day more closely
• Key new grounds like Wembley, in total about 20 stadiums
• LED hoardings (PS3 and 360 versions only)
Players:
• All new players models in game: everything reworked for additional detail
• Specific new animations to make the game flow more: players now stumble, place a hand down so as to keep running
• More individuality to movement of players: running and kicking styles, for instance: Ronaldo’s stance before a free kick

Camera:
• New vertical camera, allowing end-to-end view including ‘Player Focus’ zoom, panning in on key one-on-one situations
• New distance drawing techniques using adjusted chromatic fields

Front End - Menus:
• All new, clearer menu system
• Match stats now on sub-menus if required
• Much improved music choice

Edit:
Sound:
• In addition to the importation of graphic data, music and crowd chants can also be added
Graphics:
• Pixel Paint function allows users to create team badges from scratch

Game Modes:
Become a Legend:
• New long-term mode sees player guiding one player to glory
• Control the destiny of a midfield/striking star
• Player works within team structure, akin to popular ‘Fix’ mode – assisting play, scoring goals, etc
• Default vertical view
• Dedicated development data for player as game progresses
• Full range of transfer opportunities: but fail to play well and you will be demoted to bench or even transferred
• Based on popular Japanese mode, first time in Europe

Legends:
• Online version of ‘Become a Legend’
• Use player created in solo mode
• Play online with other ‘fixed’ position friends
• Intricate play and teamwork rewarded with PES points
• Upload finest moments for others to view and rate

Master League
• More intuitive menus
• Easier to understand two-tier negotiations: team level and individual terms
• Loyalty: players unhappy with terms, etc, will not play as well. A happy player will play better

[Qb]

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Good sounding stuff, thanks for the cut & paste job, Gamecocks. I really like the sound of some of those (pressure sensitive standing tackles, brilliant!) additions, even if it's just words at this point. As I've said many times, I haven't recaptured the love for the WE/PES series since the move to next-gen, but I will be eagerly awaiting some trusted impressions once this comes out. With Madden seeming palatable (so far so good I guess) for the first time in years and NHL & FIFA 09 hopefully building on solid 08 efforts, I'll be hard pressed to work another game into my fall/winter (and hopefully well into the spring) rotation. But if PES can deliver the goods at a level comparable to the PS2 days, I don't think I'll have a choice...