PES 2017: What Do We Know About the Game After E3?

[DBMcGee3]

Having just switched to PES from FIFA a couple of weeks ago, I probably don't have as much knowledge and insight about the game as a lot of guys on these boards.

HOWEVER....

I will say that PES is by far, the best soccer (err....football) game I've ever played. PES 2016, with the sim settings adjustments I was able to find in the forums, just FEELS like soccer. It really makes FIFA look like an arcade-y mess. Players and passes have weight to them, which is something that FIFA lacks in a big way. I'm not a soccer expert by any stretch. I grew up playing more conventional American sports like basketball and football. I started really getting into soccer during World Cup 2010, and I've been playing FIFA every year since. After being thoroughly disgusted with FIFA 16, I made the switch to PES. I can confidently say that I will not be going back, especially with the news that I've been hearing about PES 2017.

My main gripe with both games (although it's less with PES) is the lack of fouls. In FIFA, there would be stretches of 5-10 games where I would have matches with ZERO fouls called. Again, I admit I'm not a soccer expert, but that's just completely ludicrous. I've always contended in every sport, fouls and penalties have the potential to change the game in a huge way. I think this is especially true in soccer. Take Messi's free kick (absolutely ridiculous, by the way) against the U.S. on Tuesday. Before that, it was a 1-0 game, nearly at halftime. Messi gets fouled just outside of the box, and hits that free kick, making it 2-0 before the half, and in my opinion, that's what really shifted the momentum in Argentina's favor. PES suffers from a lack of fouls as well, but not nearly at the level that FIFA does. EA's whole "we don't want to disrupt the flow of the game" argument is ridiculous, and the simulation experience of FIFA really suffers as a result. They did the same thing in Madden for YEARS. Penalties in that game were broken up until M16.

PES is one of those rare games that is geared to the simulation style player, which makes it a gem (similar to how NFL 2K5 was). The gameplay is excellent, and with the refinements coming in '17, I believe it has the potential to be the greatest soccer game ever.

In short, I guess I just want more fouls. LOL

You don't find the scoring to be a bit out of control in PES 2016? I can't play anything longer than 10 minute games without seeing 5 or 6 goals.

[bxphenom7]

Having just switched to PES from FIFA a couple of weeks ago, I probably don't have as much knowledge and insight about the game as a lot of guys on these boards.

HOWEVER....

I will say that PES is by far, the best soccer (err....football) game I've ever played. PES 2016, with the sim settings adjustments I was able to find in the forums, just FEELS like soccer. It really makes FIFA look like an arcade-y mess. Players and passes have weight to them, which is something that FIFA lacks in a big way. I'm not a soccer expert by any stretch. I grew up playing more conventional American sports like basketball and football. I started really getting into soccer during World Cup 2010, and I've been playing FIFA every year since. After being thoroughly disgusted with FIFA 16, I made the switch to PES. I can confidently say that I will not be going back, especially with the news that I've been hearing about PES 2017.

My main gripe with both games (although it's less with PES) is the lack of fouls. In FIFA, there would be stretches of 5-10 games where I would have matches with ZERO fouls called. Again, I admit I'm not a soccer expert, but that's just completely ludicrous. I've always contended in every sport, fouls and penalties have the potential to change the game in a huge way. I think this is especially true in soccer. Take Messi's free kick (absolutely ridiculous, by the way) against the U.S. on Tuesday. Before that, it was a 1-0 game, nearly at halftime. Messi gets fouled just outside of the box, and hits that free kick, making it 2-0 before the half, and in my opinion, that's what really shifted the momentum in Argentina's favor. PES suffers from a lack of fouls as well, but not nearly at the level that FIFA does. EA's whole "we don't want to disrupt the flow of the game" argument is ridiculous, and the simulation experience of FIFA really suffers as a result. They did the same thing in Madden for YEARS. Penalties in that game were broken up until M16.

PES is one of those rare games that is geared to the simulation style player, which makes it a gem (similar to how NFL 2K5 was). The gameplay is excellent, and with the refinements coming in '17, I believe it has the potential to be the greatest soccer game ever.

In short, I guess I just want more fouls. LOL

Welcome man! I had the same exact feeling when I decided to hop on with PES 15 and I'm so glad I did. PES 17 seems to be fixing the GKs, scoring easiness, and lack of fouls, so there's a lot to look forward to with PES 17 from a simulation standpoint. With other news such as the game slowing down, adaptive AI, and option files, the only thing that could send get me even more hyped is if we were able to create leagues and tournaments while saying which teams participate and and format etc. Gamescom can't get here soon enough!

[itbeme23]

Re: PES 2017: What Do We Know About the Game After E3?

You don't find the scoring to be a bit out of control in PES 2016? I can't play anything longer than 10 minute games without seeing 5 or 6 goals.

Up to this point, I have not seen any outrageous scoring on either side.

I'm not great at soccer games. As I said, I'm not a soccer expert, and I imagine that hinders my ability to cheese the CPU. I typically average about two goals per game....3 if I'm having a really good game against a sub-par opponent. As I said in my other post, I've set up my squads and settings according the the "PES Sim Settings" thread here on O.S. Playing 25 minutes on Superstar level is more than challenging enough for me.

[JimmyDeicide]

Re: PES 2017: What Do We Know About the Game After E3?

Ill be looking at 3 things in the demo.

1. If defenders run away from the man and ball in and around the box.

2. Fouls.

3. Shot variety.

If its better ill buy if its the same then all That Bahti bull**** about listening to the fans is a load of bollocks.

[bakan723]

Re: PES 2017: What Do We Know About the Game After E3?

You don't find the scoring to be a bit out of control in PES 2016? I can't play anything longer than 10 minute games without seeing 5 or 6 goals.

PES 5 you can play 25 min games and have realistic scores/chances

There's actually a decent amount of fouls too.

[dtlm6]

I think and im not 100% on this, its due to the fact that if they have a fake German League, then they are not allowed to sell the product in Germany.

Football Manager dosent have the German league licence, but does include it in their game (albeit 'fake'). However Football Manager as far as im aware is not sold in Germany because of this fact.

Based on that, their choice is; either include a German fake league and not sell in one of Europes bigger markets, OR leave it out but have an editable option and still make sales in Germany.

The best thing about PES though is the 'WE / PES' Leagues which we can manipulate and turn into a Bundesliga, which will be even better this year with option files

Thanks for the insight, that actually makes a lot of sense. I would give anything to have authentic leagues for Premier League, Bundesliga and MLS on PES. Hopefully the option files will go some way in resolving this.

[RoyceDa59]

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Thanks for the insight, that actually makes a lot of sense. I would give anything to have authentic leagues for Premier League, Bundesliga and MLS on PES. Hopefully the option files will go some way in resolving this.

Trust me they will as long as Konami doesn't have extreme limitations on how much kits and emblems can be imported people will be able to get the authenticity of those leagues.

Plus this will be the first time ever option files will be accessible worldwide instead of being restricted to regions. I'm pretty sure there will be a lot of options files available for fans. I might even work on a MLS one myself if I have the help and time.

[dtlm6]

Trust me they will as long as Konami doesn't have extreme limitations on how much kits and emblems can be imported people will be able to get the authenticity of those leagues.

Plus this will be the first time ever option files will be accessible worldwide instead of being restricted to regions. I'm pretty sure there will be a lot of options files available for fans. I might even work on a MLS one myself if I have the help and time.

Man, that is very encouraging. I am a huge fan of PES. I love that there are two soccer games because competition leads to innovation, although in EA's case, it leads to throwing their financial muscle around to get the advantage (not that there's anything wrong with that). I'm encouraged that FIFA 17 will be using a new engine but, unless it makes the game radically different, I'm focused on PES 2017. Still love PES 2016 though especially with Copa America and Euro 2016 going on.

[DBMcGee3]

Up to this point, I have not seen any outrageous scoring on either side.

I'm not great at soccer games. As I said, I'm not a soccer expert, and I imagine that hinders my ability to cheese the CPU. I typically average about two goals per game....3 if I'm having a really good game against a sub-par opponent. As I said in my other post, I've set up my squads and settings according the the "PES Sim Settings" thread here on O.S. Playing 25 minutes on Superstar level is more than challenging enough for me.

Yeah, I saw that thread but there was just no way I was going to spend that much time editing the individual teams, especially after already having spent several hours adding kits, emblems, etc. The option file sharing will be splendid for this reason, as there are so many amazing editors out there editing tactics, not to mention adding face scans and the whole 9.

The GKs are the biggest problem for me in PES 2016, for which there is no fix in the settings. They just let in too many unworthy goals for my tastes. If that area is improved, I'll be eagerly returning to PES this year.

[itbeme23]

Re: PES 2017: What Do We Know About the Game After E3?

Yeah, I saw that thread but there was just no way I was going to spend that much time editing the individual teams, especially after already having spent several hours adding kits, emblems, etc. The option file sharing will be splendid for this reason, as there are so many amazing editors out there editing tactics, not to mention adding face scans and the whole 9.

The GKs are the biggest problem for me in PES 2016, for which there is no fix in the settings. They just let in too many unworthy goals for my tastes. If that area is improved, I'll be eagerly returning to PES this year.

Yeah, I admit that it's a very time-consuming task, especially when you're first starting to edit teams. However, I'm no stranger to that, as I do sliders for The Show every year, and that takes just as much, if not more, time as editing teams in PES. Once you get a system down, it actually doesn't take that long. I've been focusing on international squads, and now that I've gotten the hang of things, I usually finish a team from top to bottom within 20 minutes or so. If I end up having to edit names, the process takes a little longer.

I had already been reading the Sim Settings thread before I got the game, so I was already aware that the best fix for GKs in this game is to up their Defensive Prowess rating to 99. I did all the squad editing before I even played my first match, and the GKs play realistically for the most part (IMHO). I know that the keeping has been a problem, but I'm just saying, from my experience thus far, I haven't had that issue.

[DBMcGee3]

Yeah, I admit that it's a very time-consuming task, especially when you're first starting to edit teams. However, I'm no stranger to that, as I do sliders for The Show every year, and that takes just as much, if not more, time as editing teams in PES. Once you get a system down, it actually doesn't take that long. I've been focusing on international squads, and now that I've gotten the hang of things, I usually finish a team from top to bottom within 20 minutes or so. If I end up having to edit names, the process takes a little longer.

I had already been reading the Sim Settings thread before I got the game, so I was already aware that the best fix for GKs in this game is to up their Defensive Prowess rating to 99. I did all the squad editing before I even played my first match, and the GKs play realistically for the most part (IMHO). I know that the keeping has been a problem, but I'm just saying, from my experience thus far, I haven't had that issue.

I only get a few hours of game time a week at my age, 20 minutes per team is a lifetime. Really happy the file sharing is back

[ZoneBlitz]

I think and im not 100% on this, its due to the fact that if they have a fake German League, then they are not allowed to sell the product in Germany.

Football Manager dosent have the German league licence, but does include it in their game (albeit 'fake'). However Football Manager as far as im aware is not sold in Germany because of this fact.

Based on that, their choice is; either include a German fake league and not sell in one of Europes bigger markets, OR leave it out but have an editable option and still make sales in Germany.

The best thing about PES though is the 'WE / PES' Leagues which we can manipulate and turn into a Bundesliga, which will be even better this year with option files

They can't ban them from selling the game in the country. How would they do that? If it's a fake German league, it's just a fake German league. How would that stop them?

[bestbrother]

Re: PES 2017: What Do We Know About the Game After E3?

They can't ban them from selling the game in the country. How would they do that? If it's a fake German league, it's just a fake German league. How would that stop them?

Best to ask SI, they have the exact same problem. They include a 'German League' with the players, but have fake team names... ie Gelsenkirchen is Schalke and so on.

Because they do this, they cannot sell the game in German retailers. Im not saying German people cannot source the game, but you wont (As far as SI explained) find the game in a German shop or being sold on German Steam etc

Im not saying thats why Konami dont include a 'fake Bundesliga', when they include other fake leagues. But it would point to that, basically as they dont have the luxury of Football Manager by being PC Digital and essentially easy to get online.

Ill try dig out what SI said, im not an expert and may have it wrong, but thats my assumption as there is no reason not to include a fake German league, if they include a fake English league etc

[ZoneBlitz]

Re: PES 2017: What Do We Know About the Game After E3?

Best to ask SI, they have the exact same problem. They include a 'German League' with the players, but have fake team names... ie Gelsenkirchen is Schalke and so on.

Because they do this, they cannot sell the game in German retailers. Im not saying German people cannot source the game, but you wont (As far as SI explained) find the game in a German shop or being sold on German Steam etc

Im not saying thats why Konami dont include a 'fake Bundesliga', when they include other fake leagues. But it would point to that, basically as they dont have the luxury of Football Manager by being PC Digital and essentially easy to get online.

Ill try dig out what SI said, im not an expert and may have it wrong, but thats my assumption as there is no reason not to include a fake German league, if they include a fake English league etc

Wow. I did not know that. Is it a law that prevents them from selling it, or that the German retailers simply choose not too out of loyalty?

Thanks. By the way, what is SI?

[RoyceDa59]

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Wow. I did not know that. Is it a law that prevents them from selling it, or that the German retailers simply choose not too out of loyalty?

Thanks. By the way, what is SI?

Sports Interactive, the company that makes Football Mananger. Great series but haven't played an installment since 2010, I think I am overdue.