PES 2017 Demo Available on Xbox One, PS4, PS3 - Post Your Impressions

[papinho81]

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Again Matt you were right in your videos.

Now that positioning has been fixed, physicality and midfield play are all around the place.

The beauty with this game is that you are permanently forced to create

[Matt10]

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Thanks everyone. I posted this on NGB, sorry I'm too lazy to type it all up again:

I had spent the majority of the week testing various teams in PES 16, to see if the DMF issue was still occurring. To this very second, it still is, and never got fixed. Here is what it looks like, since I don't want to waste anyone's time with 2 hour long videos lol. I'll make sure to stream for less than 2 minutes for the proper attention time next time .

This is what it looks like, when the ball is way up the field:

PES16 -



- DMF is directly in front of the two center backs.
- DMF serves no purpose to help the offense.
- CB's are not spread out far enough.

PES 17 - before (footage from http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdJr_L8BoWE)


- DMF is still in front of two center backs
- DMF still serves no purpose to help the offense.
- CB's are not spread out far enough.

PES 17 - now - Attacking FB instructions on


- DMF is now involved in the attack.
- DMF is properly positioned for transition by being in front of the forwards.
- CB's are spread out further apart.

PES 17 - now - Attacking FB instructions "OFF", All Attacking instructions "OFF".


- DMF is still involved in the attack.
- DMF is properly positioned, (a bit tight to the attacker for my liking) for transition by being in front of the forwards.
- CB's are spread out further apart.

So now the DMF is getting involved in the attack a lot more, they are not just stagnant in one spot:



This is why there are more shots from outside the box off clearances. This is why it is less end to end (as in midfielder/defender pass straight down the pitch to an attacker), and why there is a lot more build up from the CPU.

Overall, you may be asking - why is this even important?

Because it made its way in PES 16, and never got addressed, never got fixed. Some may not look at the radar and wonder about those irregularities, but as broadcast camera user, the radar is my dear friend. This disconnect that happened in PES 16, was making its way into PES 17 as well. I told myself, if I saw it once, I'm going to post about it and hope someone learns from it. If it happens once, it will happen again.

The odd thing is now I cannot recreate the PES 17 - before look of the CDM, from the footage I posted. It wasn't a one-off, it was happening quite a bit. I have no explanation on why it's different now, but whatever it is - the game will be at full potential for best football gameplay ever - and I mean that. Agree or disagree, the proof is right there in the videos. I'm not going to question it anymore, and just hope that it makes its way into the final version of the game. Absolutely cannot wait for this game. Yikes.

[KG]

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Great pics!

Edit: Feels like I'm watching Carragher and Neville on MNF!

[bballshawn24]

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Pes 17 gameplay is amazing.

[DirtyCobra]

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Matt10 is on the case. Matt have you sent any of your findings to Konami?

[BL8001]

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Matt10 is on the case. Matt have you sent any of your findings to Konami?

Yeah he's put the info out there which is making us think Konami saw it and it was fixed.

But the question is how?

Bottom line is it is fixed. So carry on.

[BL8001]

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I am not finding many negatives in this demo.

But here is one, and it is just as bad in FIFA.

Any situation where you have a FK not in shooting range.

Both games handle this terribly.

Problem 1:
The tunnel vision camera. Way too close for a situation where you need to play a lofted ball into a zone/to a player

Solution:
Give us the same view angle like is already present on a CK. Just pull the cam back and treat the FK much like a CK.
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Problem 2:
Targets, or rather lack of. Generally you get maybe a ST standing static on either side of the box semi-circle. Double and even triple teamed.

Solution:
again, like CK except allow us to choose the amount we want taking part in the set piece. There should be "set plays" to run just like with CK's.
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Problem 3:
Can you swerve or manipulate the ball like you can on a corner or FK where you can shoot on goal? Maybe? I have taken enough in both games the lofted service feels painfully basic in each game

Solution:
Let us spin or dip the ball just like CK/FK
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When you get fouled near the corner flag why would the FK be less threatening than a CK is? It shouldn't be but it is.

This is just an area of both games that is completely neglected.

[RoyceDa59]

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I am not finding many negatives in this demo.

But here is one, and it is just as bad in FIFA.

Any situation where you have a FK not in shooting range.

Both games handle this terribly.

Problem 1:
The tunnel vision camera. Way too close for a situation where you need to play a lofted ball into a zone/to a player

Solution:
Give us the same view angle like is already present on a CK. Just pull the cam back and treat the FK much like a CK.
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Problem 2:
Targets, or rather lack of. Generally you get maybe a ST standing static on either side of the box semi-circle. Double and even triple teamed.

Solution:
again, like CK except allow us to choose the amount we want taking part in the set piece. There should be "set plays" to run just like with CK's.
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Problem 3:
Can you swerve or manipulate the ball like you can on a corner or FK where you can shoot on goal? Maybe? I have taken enough in both games the lofted service feels painfully basic in each game

Solution:
Let us spin or dip the ball just like CK/FK
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When you get fouled near the corner flag why would the FK be less threatening than a CK is? It shouldn't be but it is.

This is just an area of both games that is completely neglected.

So funny you mentioned this because I was just talking to a friend about it and this is exactly how I feel about the free kicks. Shame because they got corners kicks right but didn't add it to other dead ball scenario. Still a huge oversight because many teams rely on this situations to beat teams, Pulis style lol.

[RoyceDa59]

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Held the CPU to less than 70% passing but still lost 2-0.

[BL8001]

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Nice stats.

I was playing on xbox one earlier and felt like it's become a little harder to score.

What alchemy has Konami whipped up here?


Do you notice any differences Royce?

[RoyceDa59]

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Nice stats.

I was playing on xbox one earlier and felt like it's become a little harder to score.

What alchemy has Konami whipped up here?


Do you notice any differences Royce?

Honestly I haven't noticed too much of a difference except maybe I see the CPU commit at least 3 fouls a match playing on Superstar. Still haven't grew tired of demo though, I'll probably play it all the way until the release of the full game.

[BL8001]

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Here is another change. It just occurred to me that I have not seen that annoying prancing dribble animation where the player dribbles/sashays with his arms up that I saw in previous matches before yesterday and whatever may have happened update wise with the demo.

[Josam27o7]

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Honestly I haven't noticed too much of a difference except maybe I see the CPU commit at least 3 fouls a match playing on Superstar. Still haven't grew tired of demo though, I'll probably play it all the way until the release of the full game.

No, they have definitely improved positioning and the retreat possession loss issue. It's real. It's like night and day the difference.

[BrZyTwAa]

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Hi everyone! I am new to the forum, been a long time PES player & loving the PES17 Demo...

I am located in NYC, and looking for US Pes players on PS4. I am interested in friendlies and/or leagues. So far I have not come across any leagues here in the States.

My PSN: BrZyTwAa

Add me, mention that you found me on this forum. I'm available to SHarePlay the demo as well.

Cheers!

[RoyceDa59]

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No, they have definitely improved positioning and the retreat possession loss issue. It's real. It's like night and day the difference.

I am not denying if it is real or not but there was definitely some stranger things afoot but I just haven't really paid much attention to it.