Re: PES 2017 Tactics

[Krebstar]

Re: PES 2017 Tactics

Can someone, dmendenhall or someone else please specifically and extensively write out what his tips are? I keep seeing them mentioned, but never anything more than changing positions for players using FF when dropping back on defense.

Can we get a screencap of the tactics you're using? A list of what you're using for the AI, etc? Someone, anyone?!

I had some more success last night but that's with doing extensive formation editing, and turning FF off for the AI.

My main goal is still to get the AI to play heavy possession football. Just trying to start with an extreme and then move from there.

Currently, all I see is the AI holding possession at or behind midfield, and then hitting a long through ball or a quick move to suddenly be in on goal. What I'm not seeing is them attempting to hold possession in my defensive area. They hold at midfield...and then attack!! Possession at midfield is one thing, but them trying to kill me with possession is what I'm trying to replicate.

[bredfan]

Re: PES 2017 Tactics

Can someone, dmendenhall or someone else please specifically and extensively write out what his tips are? I keep seeing them mentioned, but never anything more than changing positions for players using FF when dropping back on defense.

Can we get a screencap of the tactics you're using? A list of what you're using for the AI, etc? Someone, anyone?!

I had some more success last night but that's with doing extensive formation editing, and turning FF off for the AI.

My main goal is still to get the AI to play heavy possession football. Just trying to start with an extreme and then move from there.

Currently, all I see is the AI holding possession at or behind midfield, and then hitting a long through ball or a quick move to suddenly be in on goal. What I'm not seeing is them attempting to hold possession in my defensive area. They hold at midfield...and then attack!! Possession at midfield is one thing, but them trying to kill me with possession is what I'm trying to replicate.

I know what you mean, but I think that's intentionally avoided because I'm not sure it would make a very fun gaming experience for the average player.

In order for it to work against a human in the game, that human would basically have to want the CPU have the ball for extended periods of time.

The other option would be to script it that way, but I for one hate when sports games force things and take control and options from me for the sake of looking the part.

I mean, I get it, people here aren't your average casual players. LOL But the reality is, if the CPU were so inclined, it could keep the ball indefinitely. Imagine how frustrating that would be. It would just feel way too forced, IMO.

All that said, I feel ya. And I'm in no way saying you're wrong for wanting it to operate that way. I just feel like human players are too good, and AI not good enough without cheating, to make such a game possible yet.

[Krebstar]

Re: PES 2017 Tactics

I know what you mean, but I think that's intentionally avoided because I'm not sure it would make a very fun gaming experience for the average player.

In order for it to work against a human in the game, that human would basically have to want the CPU have the ball for extended periods of time.

The other option would be to script it that way, but I for one hate when sports games force things and take control and options from me for the sake of looking the part.

I mean, I get it, people here aren't your average casual players. LOL But the reality is, if the CPU were so inclined, it could keep the ball indefinitely. Imagine how frustrating that would be. It would just feel way too forced, IMO.

All that said, I feel ya. And I'm in no way saying you're wrong for wanting it to operate that way. I just feel like human players are too good, and AI not good enough without cheating, to make such a game possible yet.

What I'm dreaming of isn't too crazy, even if it's not attainable. I don't want to see the AI never relinquish possession, I just want to see them build an attack within my defensive zone. Play the ball in, I try and close down, they cycle it back out. I don't want them to just run around the midfield with the ball, or to keep it away from me.

I know it's most likely going to be impossible, but I'm going to keep trying just a bit more. I just want to hit that extreme of possession, as I know we can hit the extreme counter attack easily.

[dmendenhall_9]

Re: PES 2017 Tactics

Can someone, dmendenhall or someone else please specifically and extensively write out what his tips are? I keep seeing them mentioned, but never anything more than changing positions for players using FF when dropping back on defense.

Can we get a screencap of the tactics you're using? A list of what you're using for the AI, etc? Someone, anyone?!

I had some more success last night but that's with doing extensive formation editing, and turning FF off for the AI.

My main goal is still to get the AI to play heavy possession football. Just trying to start with an extreme and then move from there.

Currently, all I see is the AI holding possession at or behind midfield, and then hitting a long through ball or a quick move to suddenly be in on goal. What I'm not seeing is them attempting to hold possession in my defensive area. They hold at midfield...and then attack!! Possession at midfield is one thing, but them trying to kill me with possession is what I'm trying to replicate.

I will def do that. I am still testing out a couple of things but can post a step by step instructions with a video after I am done. I am pretty close too being happy with the setup. It's not perfect but as good as I can get it right now.

[dmendenhall_9]

Re: PES 2017 Tactics

Man, after like a thousand matches, I finally got Real Madrid to play like IRL. I had a blast playing as Arsenal against them, Ronaldo was man of the match, he was incredible. I edited him and Bale so they stop sprinting down the wings like headless chickens with the ball and also other players like Casemiro or Kroos, and it worked wonders.

I changed all the tactics following dmendenhall's tips, and I really liked what I saw. I finally got them to play more possesion football. They destroyed me on superstar difficulty and I shot for the first time on the last minute of the match, but who cares, it was a joy to play. I uploaded some minutes of my match so everyone can enjoy the power of pes' tactical side + player ID and can compare it to the real Real Madrid.

https://youtu.be/Tb8Qpx0TnHE

Enviado desde mi iPhone utilizando Tapatalk

Nice!! After I get a final adjustment down for formations I want to go in and edit players. Not necessarily change their stats but sometimes their playing styles or playing cards force them to do the same thing over and over (like you mentioned w/ Bale and Ronaldo). What changes did you make to their stats?

[bredfan]

Re: PES 2017 Tactics

I will def do that. I am still testing out a couple of things but can post a step by step instructions with a video after I am done. I am pretty close too being happy with the setup. It's not perfect but as good as I can get it right now.

Quick question. Have you tested your settings in Master League at all? Or just exhibition?

[dcar87]

Re: PES 2017 Tactics

Nice!! After I get a final adjustment down for formations I want to go in and edit players. Not necessarily change their stats but sometimes their playing styles or playing cards force them to do the same thing over and over (like you mentioned w/ Bale and Ronaldo). What changes did you make to their stats?

Actually, I didn't touch the stats, I just changed their playing styles and cards. For example, for Ronaldo I turned off "mazing run" and left the rest as default in the COM playing styles option, and for Bale I switched on the "trickster" card and "early cross" one, and turned off "mazing run". As for their playing styles, I gave Ronaldo the "goal poacher one" as it suits him more and it's more up to date. I left Bale untouched.

At least Ronaldo now is more direct and plays one-two's with Marcelo. It also makes a big difference when he plays with the SS role.

[dmendenhall_9]

Re: PES 2017 Tactics

Quick question. Have you tested your settings in Master League at all? Or just exhibition?

I have done both. Usually start in exhibition mode so I can do both teams. I actually use tournaments a lot because ML has so much other stuff that I don't want to go through while I am just working on settings crud.

[bredfan]

Re: PES 2017 Tactics

I have done both. Usually start in exhibition mode so I can do both teams. I actually use tournaments a lot because ML has so much other stuff that I don't want to go through while I am just working on settings crud.

How's it working out in tourneys? Are your results stating pretty consistent across the whole thing?

[dmendenhall_9]

Re: PES 2017 Tactics

How's it working out in tourneys? Are your results stating pretty consistent across the whole thing?

It is more difficult in tournaments (maybe placebo effect) and there are more tactical changes just because of elimination games and so on.

[Gnemi]

Re: PES 2017 Tactics

Hey @Krebstar, can you add Matt's tweaks to tactics / settings to the OP?

Here

I'd like to do the same with dmendenhall_9 eventually, too.

[Krebstar]

Re: PES 2017 Tactics

Hey @Krebstar, can you add Matt's tweaks to tactics / settings to the OP?



Here



I'd like to do the same with dmendenhall_9 eventually, too.

Absolutely! I'll have it there tomorrow morning.

No time to share screenshots tonight, but I'm fairly happy with a few possession based formations/tactics for the AI. Both a 4-3-3 and a 4-2-3-1.

I'll try and share tomorrow at some point!

[Matt10]

Re: PES 2017 Tactics

Absolutely! I'll have it there tomorrow morning.

No time to share screenshots tonight, but I'm fairly happy with a few possession based formations/tactics for the AI. Both a 4-3-3 and a 4-2-3-1.

I'll try and share tomorrow at some point!

Kreb, if anything just do the 5-second change. The other stuff is just extra/personal preference.

[BL8001]

Re: PES 2017 Tactics

I am not sure testing can be done using exhibition matches.

Last two nights I have played matches between team editing.

As more matches are played during a session I am feeling the AI adapt without touching any settings.

Will use last night as an example. All 4 matches on pro

Match 1 perugia at bari (ai) I won 3-0 and they had 2 shots to my 14

Match 2 rangers at celtic (ai) I won 2-1, their 4 shots to my 10

Match 3 leicester at chelsea (ai) I lost 1-0 and was outshot 5-1 1st half, evened out the shots a bit and it ended 8 shots to my 7

Match 4 estoril at maritimo (ai) I lost 2-0 and was outshot 9-5. This match the cpu was aggro, actually knocking my players off the ball. I even missed a header in front of goal because the AI defender body checked my player which moved him enough I could not head it on frame.

After my trouncing of bari I thought I needed to up the difficulty but the game adjusted on it's own.

I wish we could turn on AI adapting messages. Some sort of notification that the cpu is shifting the AI.

[Matt10]

Re: PES 2017 Tactics

Not sure if this will belong here or not, but I made a video last night in regards to the 5-second fix and what dmendenhall had sent me. I used a portion of his recommendation - mainly to keep it real simple for those that do not want to change every team, and just want to jump in to a competition/ML.

The nice thing is the CPU tends to adapt to my positioning, so the overall shape is still adequate. I know everyone here is striving to edit every team and go from there, so I can't wait to see how that goes of course.

Anyway, here's the video, thanks again dmend for the guidance, and krebs for starting this thread!

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