***The Official Arsenal Gunners" Thread***

[jb12780]

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Have to appreciate Emery’s work so far. Just look how many different formations he’s used so far. It is clear that Ozil does not fit into his plans for the team.

Would love to see more of that 4-4-2. Also feel in years past that we would have been slaughtered in that match Sunday. They kept the fight up which was good to see.


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[Suntan Superman]

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It's just not as easy to get rid of a player as people want it to be. People get used to the video game aspect of life and get attached to that sort of movement. There are a lot of things that have to happen for Ozil to leave, especially on a free.

Also, we spent plenty of money in the Summer, including a ghastly 18m on Sokratis. The 81m we spent on transfers over the summer is pretty par for the course especially when you consider we only sold around 6m worth of players. That quote is really ****in' stupid, and not at all rooted in reality, it's rooted in sensationalism. If people were expecting our spending habits to change because we got a new manager, I've got some awful news about who the owner of the club is.

The product on the field is improving under Emery, while it's not a quick turnaround, it's pretty clear to me that there's a definite change in attitude, even if the results aren't quite there yet.

Finally, getting rid of Mustafi is far more important to me than getting rid of Ozil, and it's not even particularly close.

[Krebstar]

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Also, we spent plenty of money in the Summer, including a ghastly 18m on Sokratis.

I think he's been very solid for us, and 18m in 2018 is not bad at all for an experienced CB. Everyone suffers when they're next to Mustafi.

[Suntan Superman]

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I think he's been very solid for us, and 18m in 2018 is not bad at all for an experienced CB. Everyone suffers when they're next to Mustafi.

I don't think he's been 18m good, perhaps it's just me. I love the toughness and ****housing he brings, but I don't think he's been worth the 18m so far.

I'm super willing to be wrong after Mustafi is gone though.

[JHedges2]

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I'm super willing to be wrong after Mustafi is gone though.

I can’t imagine there will be many inquiries for his services.

Especially those willing to pay his £90K/week wages.

That’s what concerns me, is all these players we want to dump...who would want them after watching us play?


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[Krebstar]

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I can’t imagine there will be many inquiries for his services.

Especially those willing to pay his £90K/week wages.

That’s what concerns me, is all these players we want to dump...who would want them after watching us play?


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We're a shining example of Premier League wages being inflated and hard to offload. We pay players more than we should, which makes it hard for them to agree to a move outside of the league, and nobody in the league wants them.

There is certainly someone that will take Mustafi, though. For a lot? No, but someone will take him.

[Suntan Superman]

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disappointed Smith-Rowe didn't make the 18 today for Leipzig.

[KG]

***The Official Arsenal Gunners" Thread***

As an outsider, I just don’t know how you can legitimately rationalize going out and getting Denis Suarez when you legitimately needed a CB. Seems to me like such a waste of wages not to mention he could take minutes away from Torreira and Gendouzhi.

I’m not a big fan of Suarez to begin with but I get the “he played with me at Sevilla” angleZ.


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[Suntan Superman]

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As an outsider, I just don’t know how you can legitimately rationalizing going out and getting Denis Suarez when you legitimately needed a CB. Seems to me like such a waste of wages not to mention he could take minutes away from Torreira and Gendouzhi.

I’m not a big fan of Suarez to begin with but I get the “he played with me at Sevilla” angleZ.

Yeah, I'm not happy about it, the ACTUAL worst part about it is that it means that Xhaka, one of our best players in the attack from the midfield this season, will provide cover at centreback for the rest of the season. That being said, this season is a lost season, and I'm doing my best to not get worked up over every little thing.

[ImTellinTim]

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I'm honestly in an "I'll believe it when I see it" mode about Emery completely turning this thing around. Until I see everyone on the same page and proper support from management, I believe this is going to end poorly for all involved. It seems like a disjointed tire fire right now from the outside.

[Suntan Superman]

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proper support from management,

well this ain't ever gonna happen, so we can write that one off immediately.

[Krebstar]

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I'm honestly in an "I'll believe it when I see it" mode about Emery completely turning this thing around. Until I see everyone on the same page and proper support from management, I believe this is going to end poorly for all involved. It seems like a disjointed tire fire right now from the outside.

The question is what does "turning this thing around" mean? I can see us sneaking into fourth next year (and I mean sneaking) if we do good business this Summer, but I don't think we'll be doing much more than that for a few years.

But realistically, that's the target. Get back into the Champions League, and challenge for the league in a few years.

The best thing is I think he'll definitely be given time, and unless a manager becomes available that wants the job and we're ready to go after, I don't see the club parting with him too quickly.

[Suntan Superman]

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and challenge for the league in a few years.

I don't see this happening for us, barring a fluke. We don't do the things necessary, as a club, to keep up a title challenge. We would have to drastically alter our transfer policy to go out and spend whatever it takes to truly compete. You look at the other top 4 clubs, they have no qualms identifying their weakness and doing what it takes to fill in that hole. We won't ever be that club, we'll see what the market tells us, and get a player that fits inside of a budget that may or may not be an upgrade. I like Bernd Leno, but he's significantly worse than Alisson. We were never going to get Alisson over Liverpool, but our ambition never matched that either.

At this point, anyone who thinks that Arsenal will find themselves mounting a serious title challenge while we remain under our current owner is kidding themselves. As much as it sucks to say, I'm pretty content with the Top 4 trophy from here on out under Kroenke.

[Krebstar]

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I don't see this happening for us, barring a fluke. We don't do the things necessary, as a club, to keep up a title challenge. We would have to drastically alter our transfer policy to go out and spend whatever it takes to truly compete. You look at the other top 4 clubs, they have no qualms identifying their weakness and doing what it takes to fill in that hole. We won't ever be that club, we'll see what the market tells us, and get a player that fits inside of a budget that may or may not be an upgrade. I like Bernd Leno, but he's significantly worse than Alisson. We were never going to get Alisson over Liverpool, but our ambition never matched that either.

At this point, anyone who thinks that Arsenal will find themselves mounting a serious title challenge while we remain under our current owner is kidding themselves. As much as it sucks to say, I'm pretty content with the Top 4 trophy from here on out under Kroenke.

I should've said that any title challenge would indeed be closer to fluke than us leading the pack come Spring. I think in a few years we could be put together enough to hang close enough and then perhaps ride our luck—not saying we will, or I expect it, but it's not impossible.

To say we don't do things necessary as a club, right now, feels too quick to judge to me, and let me explain why.

We're undergoing a massive overhaul. We didn't just replace the manager—our chief executive who was supposed to oversee the overhaul left in the middle of it. To judge what we'll do in the future based on the present is strange to me. As is judging what we'll do in the future based on what we did in the past.

That line of thinking is essentially what I've seen from most media which covers Arsenal, which seemingly forgot we replaced our manager, and are upset that they cannot use the same tired jokes and quips as before—even though they do.

I am not insane enough to believe that we'll have an incredible investment from ownership and soar to the top of the league. However, I think we truly need to give things a chance and see what comes from them.

Does anyone remember when we spent £56m on bringing Aubameyang in during January last year? It's almost as if they do not because it doesn't fit the narrative that we'll never spend any money. We do, and we will, just not as much as everyone else.

We should not be surprised by our lack of signings in January—Sanllehi spoke of his dislike of the January window, and I get it—it's not a great time to do business.

I'm getting long here, so I'll wrap it up with this. I have not yet seen enough from the new management (ownership excluded) to judge and predict the future of the club. I wanted to see change, and we got the change we knew we could get (not ownership). I'm still excited to see what we can do given time.

[Suntan Superman]

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I see where our disconnect is, it's not so much that we won't spend money, it's that I don't think we'll spend the money necessary to win a title. We'll go out and do an upgrade one at a time basically, but we wouldn't(and haven't outside of the Lacazette/Aubameyang signings) go out and get Virgil van Djik and Alisson in consecutive windows with more signings sprinkled in(Keita, Fabinho, Salah, Ox, all over 30m and Shaqiri at 15m) (Some of that is skewed I understand due to Coutinhos fee, but the principle remains).

I think that Kroenke and co will always be willing to spend enough to keep us Top 4 competitive, and that most of the onus to do better than that will fall on Sanlehi and Emery.

Also, I'm super willing to be wrong about all of this, as you are correct, I don't know how the new people will change things, but also, with Kroenke, I'm more willing to err on the side of financial caution.