The Sack Race aka Official Management Carousel Thread

[Suntan Superman]

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I would just appreciate if the club starting winning meaningful football matches again. I don’t care if it’s Santa Claus or myself in charge.

It'd probably even be palatable if they had meaningful direction again. Even if you're not winning, if you can see the light at the end of the tunnel, it makes a big difference in the tunnel. They didn't believe in Unai Emery's project, and that's fine, it doesn't always work out right away, but if they keep heaping expectations on Arteta and sack him without allowing him to see out his own vision, you'll just be in the same rudderless spell that Man Utd had, post SAF.


In real sack race news, it seems like Poch just needs to agree to a contract and he'll be PSG's manager.

[Krebstar]

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In real sack race news, it seems like Poch just needs to agree to a contract and he'll be PSG's manager.

So, he'll finally win a trophy (Ligue 1).

I know, I know, they have some competition this year—but come on.

[dubcity]

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Tuchel sacked by PSG because apparently there’s someone out there who can deliver the CL this year? Okay.

Pardew or nah?

[3304Life]

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Lampard being sacked by Chelsea could actually be the move that turns Chelsea fans against Roman. He’s not a world renowned manager who you brought in for instant success he’s a club legend. I don’t have any strong opinion on if he deserves to be sacked or not but I do think it’s a bad idea.


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[Suntan Superman]

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Eh, I think it'll matter more how Thomas Tuchel or the real replacement does. Winning forgives all.

[Krebstar]

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Things will actually be interesting if he returns in a few years after more experience, but the question is where does he get that experience?

I wonder if he’d work under another manager first, then back on his own?

Either way, it’s the least surprising sacking that could happen. With the money they spent, Roman would sack his family. Should he be sacked? No, but we all saw it coming.

You can’t blame him for taking the job, but he never should’ve taken the job. Although, he did get experience.

[Krebstar]

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If true, some of the issues written about by The Athletic are not surprising given Lampard’s inexperience and personality. Handling an entire dressing room as a manager is different than as a player, and when you consider that Lampard is surely at least subconsciously influenced by Mourinho’s style, it’s not crazy to think he wasn’t ready to keep a modern dressing room happy with little experience.

Plus, I know the KG and Brav love him, but he seems like a massive prick. There’s a story about that from a former player in The Totally Football Show I always think of. His personality surely helped him be an incredible player, I just wouldn’t be surprised if those same mental attributes need adjustment for his future management stints.

[bhurst99]

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Always thought the Lampard hiring was a strange one. I get that he's a Chelsea legend but he had like little coaching experience when he took over. It's such a tough assignment for your first job in the Premier League.

I like what Gerrard is doing in Scotland. Eventually, he'll move onto a different, tougher league and he'll be so much better because of the experience he is getting there.

Edit: Forgot Lampard managed in Derby for 57 games. Still first coaching experience in a country's first division with Chelsea.

[KG]

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Lampard being sacked by Chelsea could actually be the move that turns Chelsea fans against Roman. He’s not a world renowned manager who you brought in for instant success he’s a club legend. I don’t have any strong opinion on if he deserves to be sacked or not but I do think it’s a bad idea.


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Chelsea fans love Roman for all that he's done with the club. Sure Lampard is an absolute club legend but it was time. Once a manager starts doubting his own tactics you know they've lost confidence in themselves. Once that happens the dressing room is next.

With the fixtures (UCL, Liverpool, United, etc...) we have coming up the timing to sack him made sense. We'll need that "new managerial bump" to get through them.

If true, some of the issues written about by The Athletic are not surprising given Lampard’s inexperience and personality. Handling an entire dressing room as a manager is different than as a player, and when you consider that Lampard is surely at least subconsciously influenced by Mourinho’s style, it’s not crazy to think he wasn’t ready to keep a modern dressing room happy with little experience.

Plus, I know the KG and Brav love him, but he seems like a massive prick. There’s a story about that from a former player in The Totally Football Show I always think of. His personality surely helped him be an incredible player, I just wouldn’t be surprised if those same mental attributes need adjustment for his future management stints.

I don't know where the "massive prick" thing comes from but you're entitled to your opinion. If anything, he was brutally honest. His relationship souring was due to his beef over Kepa with Marina (Roman's #2 who basically runs the club since he's still not allowed in England lol).

You're right about the dressing room though and Mourinho's influence although he (Lamps) was very thankful in his relationship with Carlo and you don't get any better at man management than Uncle Carlo.

It all comes down to the job being too big for him right now. You can't really blame Lampard for lack of experience and then you throw 200 million in new signings with no preseason and some injuries and it was always going to be tough. Lampard is a pretty humble guy so I think he'll swallow his pride and take a lesser job (Championship) in hopes of working his way back up. His name is still big enough to get one mid-season but I think he might wait until the end of the year.

[Krebstar]

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I don't know where the "massive prick" thing comes from but you're entitled to your opinion. If anything, he was brutally honest. His relationship souring was due to his beef over Kepa with Marina (Roman's #2 who basically runs the club since he's still not allowed in England lol).

I should've said that his personality and sometimes tactless honestly can make him come off like a massive prick. To me, brutal honesty often means a lack of tact—honesty is a virtue, as is understanding how to communicate that honesty.

From me, that's coming from his interactions with the media—yes, I know they're mostly awful but I was surprised a few times by his...inability to deal with them in a non-confrontational manner, and second, the story from the former player on the podcast—onto that.

I do not recall the player, but they're fairly regular on The Totally Football Show with James Richardson. They said in one of their first training sessions for England, they made a small, innocent tackle on Rio Ferdinand. Rio didn't care for it, but wasn't too bothered. Lampard, however, rushed over and got in the face of the player and repeatedly said "It's just jealousy, Rio. Just jealousy. It's just jealousy, Rio." The player didn't really know what to make of it.

Once again—that temperament is surely what helped him be the player he was, but as I said before, I always felt that he came across more experienced than he was as a manager. He dealt with the media as if he didn't need to explain his decisions, as if he'd won titles. It was as if he was mirroring what he saw form other top managers, but when we see/hear it from them it's almost like they've earned the right to be more dismissive due to their experience and accomplishment. Roy Hodgson gets annoyed about his decisions questioned? I get it. Mourinho? Yeah, I get it.

If I wanted to get even more silly and put on my faux psychoanalysis hat, I'd say that I'm sure he often felt like he had to defend himself firmly from criticism because he knows what everyone was thinking: "You got this job based on your status with the club, not your status in the football world." So, I do understand why he would come off the way he did—it's perhaps not that he thought he was better than he was, or knew more than he did, he was just facing firm criticism with equal firmness?

Essentially, I was just always fascinated by his outward personality, at least what I saw and heard of it.

[Keirik]

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I feel for Frank. He was offered a job he could never turn down and set himself up for this. It was the right decision but weirdly harsh at the same time.

[Brahvocado]

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It's sad because in the end it's a man losing his dream job. He is a Chelsea fan through and through, this was his mountaintop.

The plus side is I think he probably left on good terms with Roman, so if he goes and gets more experience and proves himself, he will almost certainly get another chance.

Tuchel is obviously ill-fated from the beginning, because of his combative personality, but he will probably get results in some form. I am still holding out hope they will go after Hasenhuttl and Tuchel is just a temporary fix, but who knows really.

At the very least, Tuchel's brand of football is very fun to watch.

Honestly, I cannot wait until Tuchel (a proven world class manager) comes in and Mason Mount is still starting games. Maybe then people will finally shut up about him.

[Brahvocado]

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Also, for me personally, I made my peace with Lampard getting sacked the moment he was appointed, so I'm probably not as sad as i otherwise would be.

Most Chelsea fans knew this day would come eventually. The hope was there for sure, that he would just learn on the job and become great, but alas it was too big a job to do that properly. It's harsh on Frank and kinda fair at the same time. People talk about managers not getting enough time these days, which I agree with, but at the same time if a manager doesn't have enough of a cv there is no telling if they can pull a team out of a rut. People have compared Lampard to SAF in the beginning at United, but even that isn't really right cause SAF had won trophies as a manager in Scotland before coming to United.

There wasn't enough of a sample size to know if Lampard could pull the team out of this, and I guess the Chelsea board just wasn't willing to risk it, which is probably fair.

I'm pretty confident we will see him back at Chelsea in the future, I do think he has it in him to become a good manager.

[Krebstar]

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Tuchel is obviously ill-fated from the beginning, because of his combative personality, but he will probably get results in some form.

I think we all know how it will go. He gets you into the top-four this year, wins the title next year, and leaves at the end of the season or before the new year.

Same old Chelsea—soooooo predictable and successful.

[Krebstar]

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There wasn't enough of a sample size to know if Lampard could pull the team out of this, and I guess the Chelsea board just wasn't willing to risk it, which is probably fair.

I’ve always been envious of their ruthlessness and decisiveness. Does it sometimes seem extreme? Yes, but it has worked.