You Want Some Cheese With That?

[acarrero]

People think using "juggernaut" in COD4 is cheese, or newbie, and that's bull. You have some perk instead of juggernaut, let me use what is esentially a bulletproof vest, instead of the more powerful bullets or whatever you got with the perk that you use. Not cheese. In NCAA 09, cheese is limited, IMO, you can put pressure on the QB by blitzing at the right time, throwing deep results in as many ints as completions, and it's not that hard to contain a QB even if he's Pat White. There will always be money plays, but usually between two similarly talented teams they are very limited in 09 and they can all be stopped.

[hoodlum10]

I'm from Chicago too. You should know that Hester is developing as a WR. He just got a new contract and the Bears really hope that Hester can develop into a #1 WR. Whether that happens or not, that is up to debate. But in my opinion, I don't think it's cheesing if people throw to Hester. He is no longer a guy that just returns kicks and has that 100 speed rating. He is now a full time WR or at least closer to it than last season. He will probably be the team's #2 or #3 WR. I think the only cheesing is when people place players at WR that don't even play WR at all. (Terrance Newman, Champ Bailey, Raiders CBs, and etc.)

im also from Chi-Town and couldn't agree more. ps: look out for Earl Bennett and Matt Forte

[Ferrari997]

im also from Chi-Town and couldn't agree more. ps: look out for Earl Bennett and Matt Forte

Haha I have a feeling using the Bears this year will be rough. Thank god I hear that defense is stepped up a notch in this year's version because I'm pretty sure all Bears fan will be praying Defense and Special Teams to be making the plays for them.

[AftershockFx]

Re: You Want Some Cheese With That?

Yeah that DH stuff is wack! I My favorite teams are Michigan and Chicago Bears 'cause I'm from the Chi, but I would never line Hester up at WR every play and throw to him. That's not real football and I HATE d**k riders who aren't even real Bears fans, but use them on the game to cheese with Hester! If you're a Dolphins fan, PLAY WITH THE DOLPHINS!!! We all no they suck, but find a way to win with them if they're supposed to be your favorite team! The bears have stunk for a while but I play with them no matter how bad they may be on the game! I'm a real fan! Make some trades and solid draft picks, and by season 2, you should be able to put some Ws together with the fins. DON'T PLAY WITH THE BEARS 'CAUSE HESTER HAS A 99 SPEED RATING SO YOU CAN CHEESE YOUR WAY TO A WIN. F*****G LAMES!!!

I couldn't agree more. I play with the Steelers almost 95% of the time because I do like to try and get a win online with EVERY team at least once. I honestly don't understand why people can't play with their favorite team regardless of the teams overall rating. For example when I'm playing MLB 2K I constantly use the Pirates online and they're ranked like 27 or 28 out of 30 as far as power ranking goes. It's really disappointing that people are afraid to play with their favorite teams online simple because of ranking.

I'm from Chicago too. You should know that Hester is developing as a WR. He just got a new contract and the Bears really hope that Hester can develop into a #1 WR. Whether that happens or not, that is up to debate. But in my opinion, I don't think it's cheesing if people throw to Hester. He is no longer a guy that just returns kicks and has that 100 speed rating. He is now a full time WR or at least closer to it than last season. He will probably be the team's #2 or #3 WR. I think the only cheesing is when people place players at WR that don't even play WR at all. (Terrance Newman, Champ Bailey, Raiders CBs, and etc.)

There's nothing wrong with Hester as far as I'm concerned and I'm well aware that Hester is developing as a WR. None-the-less it's no secret that people use Hester's speed ability and have him run fly routes constantly. If people want to use Hester to run Dig routes, out routes, quick slants, screens ect then I'm ok with that. It's the people who abuse the engine that I'm not ok with.

[Ferrari997]

I couldn't agree more. I play with the Steelers almost 95% of the time because I do like to try and get a win online with EVERY team at least once. I honestly don't understand why people can't play with their favorite team regardless of the teams overall rating. For example when I'm playing MLB 2K I constantly use the Pirates online and they're ranked like 27 or 28 out of 30 as far as power ranking goes. It's really disappointing that people are afraid to play with their favorite teams online simple because of ranking.



There's nothing wrong with Hester as far as I'm concerned and I'm well aware that Hester is developing as a WR. None-the-less it's no secret that people use Hester's speed ability and have him run fly routes constantly. If people want to use Hester to run Dig routes, out routes, quick slants, screens ect then I'm ok with that. It's the people who abuse the engine that I'm not ok with.

Unfortunately there will always be people who abuse the engine. It always seems like the first month or two, it's very enjoyable to play online. This is mainly because people are still trying to get a feel for the game and have not found the glitches yet. 90% of the games are legit, and pretty fair. But after that time period, all hell breaks loose and online play is a crap shoot of fair players vs. players doing ANYTHING to win. I'm somewhat excited about the new online league option because this is where serious/fair players can gather. My GT is BoilerBri07 and my pet peeve is glitchers/cheesers and anyone that doesn't play realistically. Hit me up if you're the same and maybe we can do a league together or something.

[Smokez4DAyz]

Online gaming brings an unknown element. In Sports games, like Madden, you never see guys pick up 'regular' teams, so when facing the Colts or the Pats, its already a chore, on both sides of the ball, add to that , this user is calling the same two plays over and over, do these guys realize that its a 45-50 min session? How can you call the same 3 plays for an hour? how many times do I have to face some guy with Dual HB, calling FB dive? Or Brady in 5 Wide for an entire game? I think the these kind of guys play online to MAKE YOU QUIT, THEY DON'T PLAY COMPETE. They want to have you cursing in your living room, and quit so they can play the cpu and rank up. If you call Quarter DB Strike all game, How's that a simulation of football. And thats the problem. Too many gamers play online UNPREPARED AND RESORT TO THE SAME PLAYS THEY BEEN BEATEN WITH. There's no originality anymore. People specifically post questions online asking for Nano blitzes, Double WR Screen. I rarely see posts wanting to get a better understanding of down and distance. Another problem with cheesery is the 'run to no.1' How can you chumps claim you're the best when you use a NO.1 team? In NCAA right now, you see people boast they are the best and they use pure top 5 teams. Where's the integrity? I have used the Jets almost exclusively online since Madden 05, and they haven't been near the best team to use, yet my opposing user always seem to need a team rated 10-15 points higher than my team, and they scroll thru the teams looking for just the most UNEVEN match they can put together. No class. Or the quick switch, they stand on the team right before the pats, and when you press start on your regular team, they switch to pats and press start. Now you have to either quit or get your brains beat in. Whats up with you MEN and BOYS? Not too many girls playing Madden or are you all girls? You are better off getting to know a guy on GTA4 or COD4 and then play him in Madden, Instead of quick match or lobby challenges. BIggest madden Cheese is still Randy Moss, followed by the Mobile QB, and third is Nickel under smoke, that play should be banned.

[TheVinylHippo]

Re: You Want Some Cheese With That?

Like someone said earlier in the thread, when I see any cheese, I immediately quit the game, because it's not fun.

I played two guys at once one time on APF 2K8. They ran flea flickers the entire game. When I knew they were doing it, I ended up getting 5 or 6 interceptions, which is very high for All-Pro Football, and they ended up quitting on me. **** happens, got to deal with it. If something is there that is cheap, and people want to win so bad, they'll take it.

[AftershockFx]

Re: You Want Some Cheese With That?

Unfortunately there will always be people who abuse the engine. It always seems like the first month or two, it's very enjoyable to play online. This is mainly because people are still trying to get a feel for the game and have not found the glitches yet. 90% of the games are legit, and pretty fair. But after that time period, all hell breaks loose and online play is a crap shoot of fair players vs. players doing ANYTHING to win. I'm somewhat excited about the new online league option because this is where serious/fair players can gather. My GT is BoilerBri07 and my pet peeve is glitchers/cheesers and anyone that doesn't play realistically. Hit me up if you're the same and maybe we can do a league together or something.

Very true. My GT is AftershockFx. I already sent you a friend request. I'd definitly be interested in a league of all sim players =).

[RandyCane]

I think the #1 cheese in madden 08 were the tall receivers like moss and burress who had the unstoppable jumps that was really difficult to defend against.

the #1 cheese in ncaa 08 had to be the players who scrambled nonstop wit white or tebow or ran back 20-30 yards and threw deep all day which is still a problem in ncaa 09

[maddcatt]

All cheezers must DIE !! .....IMO

I'm 42 yrs. old and I love playing games online and especially where I'm getting to old to play most real sports other than softball

It's unbelievable !! I play NCAA 09 with a buddy of mine and we play it like a real college football game should be played and when this is done you really have a FUN !! and great game of college football with NCAA 09

However when you get on and start playing strangers / cheeezers who exploit any and all exploits that can be used in this game.....it does not even seem like it's the same game that I play with my buddy and not nearly as fun either.

Biggest exploit !! I have noticed in all football games over the years is by getting away with calling and playing your offensive plays in a hurry up quick style with hurry up play calling and / or rushing to the line and hiking the ball right away while the defense is not yet set or having a chance to look at it's players matchups.

They really need to find away to deter this type of hurry up style of play and I think the ONLY !! way you can really do this that makes sense is to increase the fatigue factor a even more to the players that are playing offense when they are using this style of offense.......Then you will see things like offensive lines breaking down with bad blocks and false starts, more drops, more fumbles by RB's & WR's, QB's accuracy going down...ect. ect.

Would also be nice to...IF the further your QB drops back behind the Line of scrimmage the more his accuracy goes down....This makes total sense and would take care of these idiots / cheeeezers who get away with dropping 15 to 30 yrds behind the line of scrimmage and able to complete a pass on a dime without a problem.

Just my 2 cents !!

Maddcatt

[tj24]

Some things can be seen as cheese to the average gamer but advanced gamers consider it part of the game and know ways to counter it. I know madden players who put together the best nanos and quick passes they can. To me it is cheese. I know some because I've competed with them and had to drop to their level of standards. Nba 2k8 some people attempt to steal every single pass and it just takes the fun out of the game. Other people just pass to every cutter going to the hole. Between madden and 2k8, there need to be something done about high passing LOL. They are exploiting the game. In sports games now I mostly just play offline or find sim style leagues.

[skipwondah33]

Online gaming brings an unknown element. In Sports games, like Madden, you never see guys pick up 'regular' teams, so when facing the Colts or the Pats, its already a chore, on both sides of the ball, add to that , this user is calling the same two plays over and over, do these guys realize that its a 45-50 min session? How can you call the same 3 plays for an hour? how many times do I have to face some guy with Dual HB, calling FB dive? Or Brady in 5 Wide for an entire game? I think the these kind of guys play online to MAKE YOU QUIT, THEY DON'T PLAY COMPETE. They want to have you cursing in your living room, and quit so they can play the cpu and rank up. If you call Quarter DB Strike all game, How's that a simulation of football. And thats the problem. Too many gamers play online UNPREPARED AND RESORT TO THE SAME PLAYS THEY BEEN BEATEN WITH. There's no originality anymore. People specifically post questions online asking for Nano blitzes, Double WR Screen. I rarely see posts wanting to get a better understanding of down and distance. Another problem with cheesery is the 'run to no.1' How can you chumps claim you're the best when you use a NO.1 team? In NCAA right now, you see people boast they are the best and they use pure top 5 teams. Where's the integrity? I have used the Jets almost exclusively online since Madden 05, and they haven't been near the best team to use, yet my opposing user always seem to need a team rated 10-15 points higher than my team, and they scroll thru the teams looking for just the most UNEVEN match they can put together. No class. Or the quick switch, they stand on the team right before the pats, and when you press start on your regular team, they switch to pats and press start. Now you have to either quit or get your brains beat in. Whats up with you MEN and BOYS? Not too many girls playing Madden or are you all girls? You are better off getting to know a guy on GTA4 or COD4 and then play him in Madden, Instead of quick match or lobby challenges. BIggest madden Cheese is still Randy Moss, followed by the Mobile QB, and third is Nickel under smoke, that play should be banned.

Smoke I agree with you 100% and couldn't have said it any better. I've had my far share of cheesery this year in 09..matter of fact honestly more than 75% of my games have been that way. Would have been more but a couple I played with my buddies. Its always going to be prelevant in online gaming, people will do anything to win.

[DC]

Blame the companies for making these games cheese-able. Thats who I blame. I can't blame people for doing whatever it takes to win.

I hate cheesers and will always hate them, but it isn't about me

[TMagic]

Re: You Want Some Cheese With That?

I hate cheesers and will always hate them, but it isn't about me

Whoa, whoa my friend. Hate is such a strong word man. Would He approve of you hating somebody just because they cheat on a video game?

So lets rephrase that: You will always dislike the times when people play a game unfairly.

[manonamission17]

im suprised no one has mentioned cheesing in hockey yet :S i mean it has gotten harder with the new nhl installments but i mean u can usually spot a n00b in hockey when their only means of offence is skating wide down the boards and passing in front of the net for a one timer. :S