OS Roundtable: Who Made the Bigger Mistake, EA or 2K?

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  • cashless
    Rookie
    • Aug 2004
    • 70

    #16
    I'm sure this point has been made by people already but rebranding the NBA Live series never really made any sense to me. NBA Live 10 was actually good, which is more than you can say about every Live game on the current generation of consoles.

    I think we need two basketballl games. Call the next game from EA NBA Live 13 or whenever they'll make the next one and forget that this whole thing happened.

    So who made the bigger misstage? I don't know, I don't really think they're comparable. EA ****ed up and made a bad basketball game, what 2k did made sense, in that they canceled a nonprofitable title.

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    • tril
      MVP
      • Nov 2004
      • 2914

      #17
      2k is probably just tightening up their portfolio, by dumping products that aren’t profitable, then reallocating funds to their successful titles, and development into other titles.
      2k might actually be setting up to reintroduce the college hoops series in 2012, the same year EA plans on rereleasing their NBA basketball game.
      Talk about a potential blow to EA's NBA series in 2012.
      In addition, that’s more money for further developing 2K's NBA franchise.
      And Maybe rereleasing a new football title in a few years.

      IMO that’s not much of risk for 2k, as long as they don’t over estimate their sales projections.
      2k is also doing what most gaming developers are doing, slashing their portfolios, due to high production costs.

      My last point is that, 2K's NBA series is becoming synonymous with basketball, like Madden is to football.

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      • 209vaughn
        Rookie
        • Jul 2010
        • 135

        #18
        2k should buy a FIFA liscense.
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        • slickdtc
          Grayscale
          • Aug 2004
          • 17125

          #19
          Re: OS Roundtable: Who Made the Bigger Mistake, EA or 2K?

          Stopping the NHL 2k series was not a mistake at all; it was getting absolutely destroyed by EA's NHL series, and though it was always second place in terms of sales, the EA's NHL series was finally better (and has been the last 3 or 4 years). I wish they would have kept making the game, because you can definitely see the potential, but a lot of things just weren't up to standards. Simple, basic things weren't done right, and after finally playing the EA NHL series this year with NHL 11, I don't know how I was able to tolerate some of those flaws.

          I think EA is doing it right. Taking a year or two to develop a top notch game instead of a yearly cycle when they're already far behind the NBA 2k series. In fact, I wish the NHL 2k series would be revived in 2 or so years as I think a rebuild of the whole thing would do the series well.

          Unfortunately, it's all about the money. And even if it's rebuilt, and is a great game, who knows if it'll catch on. It's a risk and probably not worth taking.
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          • spankdatazz22
            All Star
            • May 2003
            • 6219

            #20
            Re: OS Roundtable: Who Made the Bigger Mistake, EA or 2K?

            Originally posted by tril
            2k is probably just tightening up their portfolio, by dumping products that aren’t profitable, then reallocating funds to their successful titles, and development into other titles.
            2k might actually be setting up to reintroduce the college hoops series in 2012, the same year EA plans on rereleasing their NBA basketball game.
            I don't see where either company made a mistake, as publishers across the board have been trying to be smarter towards developing properties that are more profitable to them. Gone are the days where we saw the 2Ks and 989s (I guess it's San Diego Studios now) trying to match EA Sports title for title - it's just not financially viable for them. 2K's hockey game was fighting an uphill battle and given that the videogame hockey market is relatively small it didn't make sense pursuing I'd guess.

            If I were to side with one, I'd agree w/the viewpoint above. I think it makes better sense to dedicate resources to NBA2K with it having the market to itself/essentially having exclusivity for 2yrs without paying for exclusivity. I'd guess a potential College Hoops, successful NBA Jam/arcade-like game, or even dedicating those resources to shoring up MLB2K all make more sense than a licensed hockey title would make, given the market. The difference in sales of NBA2K from 2010 to 2011 is probably several times what their NHL game has sold this entire generation (just a guess).

            When EA's basketball title comes back, of course it'll take a bite out of 2K's marketshare. But it's not like it'll be flawless when it releases; it'll be years behind in terms of development and user feedback. And during that time 2K can do what it can to make itself synonymous with videogame basketball.
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            • lqkobe
              Rookie
              • Jun 2011
              • 2

              #21
              Last time I checked 2k had more than just basketball. They also have a baseball game and a tennis game. Plus there is a possibility that a college hoops game comes out soon. 2k has more than just the NBA going for itself.

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              • Galarius
                Rookie
                • Sep 2010
                • 130

                #22
                2k is making a smart move and EA a very questionable one...hockey, soccer, and football are all doing well for them and even 2 football titles to boot.....so why invest millions in a game that is not going to sell?

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                • Galarius
                  Rookie
                  • Sep 2010
                  • 130

                  #23
                  EA needs to give hoops up for good...and the exclusive football license!just let me have a college 2k game if i can't have NFL!huh huh

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                  • savoie2006
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                    • Sep 2006
                    • 4657

                    #24
                    Re: OS Roundtable: Who Made the Bigger Mistake, EA or 2K?

                    Originally posted by Galarius
                    EA needs to give hoops up for good...and the exclusive football license!just let me have a college 2k game if i can't have NFL!huh huh
                    I don't think 2K need two Basketball games personally. Should EA drop the exclusive NFL license, then I would much rather 2K gave us another NFL game. I've always thought their Football games were better animation wise and overall gameplay. The one thing I didn't like was Defense was seemingly impossible at times and I thought the Running Back power ups were arcadish and often resulted in unrealistic results.

                    Also, don't see why EA should give up NBA. They were on the right track on NBA Live 10. I think they were much more in the race than 2K was with their NHL series. Both had similar situations though, with last minute change of developers.
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                    • MillerTE92
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                      • May 2011
                      • 139

                      #25
                      Re: OS Roundtable: Who Made the Bigger Mistake, EA or 2K?

                      EA is going to make money no matter what they are the most recognizable company in the business and not just in sports they have Star Wars the Old Republic and Mass Effect coming out along with Battlefield and the football games
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                      • Dazraz
                        Pro
                        • Mar 2009
                        • 794

                        #26
                        I was going to right a couple of paragraphs on this subject however after reading Christian's comments I realised he had made the exact same points as I would of. I just hope EA really up the ante with their NHL game this year, because for one, I am sure disappointed that 2K have no hockey game this year.

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                        • Money99
                          Hall Of Fame
                          • Sep 2002
                          • 12696

                          #27
                          Christian McLeod and Jayson are right on the money. While the EA hockey series is a good game, it's becoming very stale and predictable.
                          If 2K actually used the past 24-months to revamp it and bring it to a level even half as good as NBA2K11, it could have stolen a lot of thunder from EA and potentially launched a 2nd quality sports title into the limelight.

                          With next-gen consoles around the corner, I hope 2K/VC take another crack at hockey.
                          We've all seen what happened with football once 2K was removed from the race. I don't see hockey being any different. What incentive is there for EA to make sure there they provide a quality hockey game.
                          Afterall, if it wasn't for NHL2K, we wouldn't have had NHL07 and it's revolutionary skill-stick.

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                          • SHAKYR
                            MVP
                            • Nov 2003
                            • 1795

                            #28
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                            • DKjoy9
                              Rookie
                              • Jun 2011
                              • 2

                              #29
                              Re: OS Roundtable: Who Made the Bigger Mistake, EA or 2K?

                              hey were on the right track on NBA Live 10. I think they were much more in the race than 2K was with their NHL series
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                              • beamerball811
                                Rookie
                                • Jun 2011
                                • 464

                                #30
                                Re: OS Roundtable: Who Made the Bigger Mistake, EA or 2K?

                                I believe EA made the bigger mistake. They're actually losing money by not producing and NBA game, and 2k isn't making a profit off of their NHL series. Therefore, EA is making the bigger mistake.

                                On a side note, all this talk of 2k possibly making football or NCAAB again is getting me excited!

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