OS Roundtable: Where does EA Football Stand at the End of This Generation?

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  • riichiieriich
    Rookie
    • May 2009
    • 116

    #16
    It's amazing how the Madden's in the PS1 and PS2/Xbox days continually got better, and then once 2006 hit, next-gen Madden went into the s***ter. Hasn't really recovered ever since. The amount of regression is astounding. "New" features in this years Madden and last years Madden were already in the Madden's from the PS2 days. How is that possible?

    1. Because the consumers are naive enough to keep buying these essential roster updates with extra gloss.
    2. EA's monopoly of the football video game and due to this, allowing themselves to marginally update their game because there is no competition.

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    • ColtCrazy
      Rookie
      • Nov 2003
      • 24

      #17
      I enjoy Madden 25…it's my favorite of this gen. But what is that really saying? Unless I hear unanimous reports that xbox one/ps4 versions are steps ahead, I'll happily stick with Madden 25 and not go forward. The game is good, but flawed. And maybe that's as good as we are going to get.

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      • illiterateoption
        Banned
        • Mar 2013
        • 240

        #18
        I think it depends on which game your using as the foundation moving forward. If they use NCAA14, and incorporate some of the FUN thats found in that game over to Madden then we might have something.

        NCAA 14 as it is now is a ton of fun for me. So much so that it may keep me form Madden 25 until I hear more positives. NCAA 14 has brought me back into Dynasty mode in such a way that I haven't been since NCAA 2004.

        The thing with Madden, even the later iterations (12 and 13) that are at least playable is that they are laborious to enjoy. I feel like its alot of work to sit down and enjoy a franchise game of madden, if that makes sense.

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        • tril
          MVP
          • Nov 2004
          • 2912

          #19
          Originally posted by RandyBass
          Bravo Jayson Young.

          However if the analogy you used were to take place within Madden, then the punt probably would have just carried on into the end zone with the physics of a basketball and not a football. 1st and 10 at the 20.
          LOL!!!!
          true!!!

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          • DBMcGee3
            MVP
            • Oct 2011
            • 1166

            #20
            The most frustrating thing to me is that EA knows what people think, and they simply don't care because they have these exclusive licenses behind them. They can throw around their buzz words and pretend that old features are new, but when the game comes out every year, they know it sucks just like we do, and they are totally ok with charging the same retail price as other games that are far, far superior. I am in year 3 of my EA boycott, and it just keeps getting easier with each crappy game they make.

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            • PJ33
              Rookie
              • Jun 2008
              • 37

              #21
              Compared to improvements made in other sports titles I give Madden a 4/10 this generation. I have played every version of the college and nfl series on this generation of consoles and have not seen the improvement put into the other sports titles that other companies are doing.

              Defensive line play is horrible. I can try to run away from a blocker in Madden 25 and still get stuck unable to move because the lineman has me in a block animation. I thought this was all fixed...

              The presentation improvements have been minimal. I went back last night just to check the difference between last gen and this gen. Not trying to sound like a homer but 2k5 had the presentation down with graphic cuts during play selection, replays where they circle the blocks or holds or facemasks. A halftime show with replays. A weekly show with highlights through the league. How has none of that made it to this generation?

              Another issue I have and it drives me nuts is the challenges. In Madden 25 I have a guy pick off a pass near the numbers (he was about 5 yards in bounds) he gets stuck with one leg in the air and skates out of bounds. I challenge the play thinking there is no way possible he didn't get two feet down from where he was on the field and sure enough I lose.
              The other instance was a guy standing two feet on the white line recovering a fumble and I challenge that and am wrong again as apparently you can stand out of bounds and recover the ball in madden.
              Again,. last gen 2K gave you the option to even challenge different aspects of a play. My game I played last night I threw a little flare pass and the receiver catches it gets hit and fumbles and the other team recovers. Madden would have given me the option to only challenge the fumble. I was able to overturn the call on the last gen by choosing to challenge the catch.

              I could go on and on about the little things that some how didn't make it in this generation that drives me nuts, and scares me from wanting to even give the next generation a try. Until there is competition I doubt we see any drastic improvements. EA will just push out another hype video as they did in 06 and get everybody to buy it.

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              • rtkiii
                Banned
                • Sep 2012
                • 522

                #22
                I still enjoy M13 - I played it for about 6 hours the other night as a player. I feel that game was a success and a step in the right direction. If they tweak a few things in presentation and sloppy after plat animations I think madden could be a great game...but they seem to struggle with the presentation.

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                • kjcheezhead
                  MVP
                  • May 2009
                  • 3118

                  #23
                  Jayson young couldn't have said it any better. Looking at the situation it appears they are about where they started this gen and are choosing to build off this broken game. They are starting inside there own 5 and facing the 2000 ravens defense. It doesn't look good.

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                  • jhogan3132
                    OHIO ST8
                    • Jan 2005
                    • 6942

                    #24
                    I don't know why but it seems like I have enjoyed NCAA much more than Madden over the last few years and that's strange seeing that they are very very similar.
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                    • Eski33
                      MVP
                      • Jun 2004
                      • 1299

                      #25
                      I think this current generation started with a lot of hope. Everyone thought that the power of the 360 and PS 3 would turn out amazing games. Unfortunately, Madden started with a thud and took six to seven years to find footing.

                      I think the last three years brought on some positive gains but EA, which I like, put in some features one year then removed them the next. I know everyone has their gripes (chain gangs, refs, etc) but what disappointed me most was the lack of growth.

                      The fight for the fumble mini game was a neat addition that was axed. The Extra Point looked to be a step in the right direction yet never to be seen again.

                      And having the exclusive license how can we not get more classic uniforms in both home and away? Why not classic teams and stadiums.

                      Lets hope the next gen sees EA bring on progression and options.
                      What?

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                      • ghettogeeksta
                        Banned
                        • Sep 2011
                        • 2632

                        #26
                        I can honestly say that in 8 years Madden has not advanced/improved one iota from last gen with the exception of Madden 25 with foot-planting, no physic Db's, minimal suction, and improved IE2 engine. But those should have been in the game years ago. Besides that Madden has done nothing this gen and it pains me to see games like NBA2K and The Show out shine Madden game such by a large margin in terms of being true to the sport they represent.

                        Without competition from another NFL license game I really hope they get comp from games in their own company. I really hope NBA Live delivers this gen and more people will take notice and start to question Madden devs on why they can't do the same in their game putting pressure on them to be more ambitious next gen.

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                        • GisherJohn24
                          MVP
                          • Aug 2008
                          • 4578

                          #27
                          Madden 10 was the biggest step up for hte series and since then, it hasn't evolved like it should have when you compare 10 to 11, 12, or even 13. The infinity engine was a nice edition, but the removal of things year after yeear upsets me. Removal of 7-9 gang tackling? Pro Tak, foot planting, weapons, NFL Films music, halftime show, (which was in 10) just little things that should have stuck with the series, it's best parts were removed.

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                          • slgrant
                            Banned
                            • Jun 2012
                            • 20

                            #28
                            Originally posted by chi_hawks
                            Until people quit buying the games, EA is in a position of power. The lack of innovation, pathetic Q/A efforts, and focus on revenues versus consumers would normally result in awful sales. However, EA has the trump card with the NFL license. Their best title to date, IMHO, was Madden 05 (with Madden 10 close behind).
                            Totally agree

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                            • Jistic
                              Hall Of Fame
                              • Mar 2003
                              • 16405

                              #29
                              I always laugh at the people that "enjoy a game for what it is". I hope they could do the same thing eating their entree from a restaurant that was covered with mold and wiped on the bathroom floor. Hey...enjoy it for what it is!
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                              • CarryTheWeight
                                MVP
                                • Jul 2002
                                • 1792

                                #30
                                Re: OS Roundtable: Where does EA Football Stand at the End of This Generation?

                                Wasted potential and maddening inconsistency (pardon the pun) have made this generation of EA football extremely hard to stomach. Instead of improving on ideas in previous games, the development team most closely resembles the Buffalo Bills as they struggle to scrap and rebuild themselves far too often. Like the Bills, EA Tiburon seems to be clinging to past successes and promising innovation but falling short nearly every time in spite of selling boatloads of copies.

                                It's a shame considering EA's own FIFA and NHL, imperfect as they are, can be seen as technically superior and more faithful representations of their respective sports. For a product that prides itself on being "the most authentic football series ever produced", Madden falls short of authenticity in many key areas. The fact we have a huge Uniform Error Thread in the Madden and NCAA forums says it all: there's a fundamental lack of attention to detail in each series, and it doesn't only pertain to the art department.

                                I'll be a bit lenient on next-gen M25 considering it's a launch title. However, if next-gen Madden 15 (or whatever it'll be called) isn't a fundamental leap forward for this franchise, I and many others are going to be very disappointed. The last-generation cutscene-based presentation and spotty commentary track isn't going to cut it any further, neither will the canned animations and lack of detail in graphical fidelity.

                                The way I see it, fans have every right to be skeptical and write off the Ignite engine as "buzzwords" at this point. We haven't seen anything to tell us otherwise. Even the off-screen Gamescom FIFA 14 footage, while looking a bit more flashy, doesn't look like the gigantic leap forward that was promised (at least in respect to its competition).

                                I'm hoping to eventually eat crow and see a gigantic improvement reminiscent of Madden 2001 on PS2, but I will remain skeptical until then. If all we're going to see on next-gen are the little details that other development teams have already done in older games (hint: the interactive sidelines in APF2008) then count me less than impressed.

                                They have a huge opportunity to sell the new consoles and blow people away with a "killer app". We'll see if they aim for the greatness of Madden 2001 or sink to the depths of Madden 06 in a few short months.
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