M17 XP Slider Discussion

[tdawg3782]

Quote: Originally Posted by kwpit79

Good work! I did the same thing back in Madden 16, but went 20 years in the future to eliminate all the "real" players. Looks like Madden really improved with the QBs progression. Last year there was an overabundance of great QBs in the league at one time, something like 24 QBs with a 90 OVR or better rating.

Ya it was real solid for the most part. QBs were way better then last year. To be honest there wasn't that many real players left either. Some of the rookies this year and just a few others. But overall I was quite impressed. Got the 2nd sim running now so should have another update later today.

[catcher_0_3]

Terrific work tdawg.

My question is, do you think there will be a change in your results if you actually played games in this dynasty as opposed to doing a 10 year sim? Or do you think the results would be similar even if you play half the games in a CFM each year?

[tdawg3782]

Quote: Originally Posted by catcher_0_3

Terrific work tdawg. My question is, do you think there will be a change in your results if you actually played games in this dynasty as opposed to doing a 10 year sim? Or do you think the results would be similar even if you play half the games in a CFM each year?

Maybe for your team but I wouldn't think it would alter things to much. Even if you play every game for your team we are only talking 16 out of 256 games. Plus playoffs if you make it. I can't imagine that would make much difference for cpu teams.

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[tdawg3782]

Sim #2 is done. Just have to compile data. Should be up in a bit.

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[smoove7]

I heard that a change was made to make Custom xp progression available for offline CFM in 17, not just online? Can anyone confirm?

[bcruise]

Quote: Originally Posted by smoove7

I heard that a change was made to make Custom xp progression available for offline CFM in 17, not just online? Can anyone confirm?

Yeah XP sliders are in for offline. Millennium confirmed that on his stream.

[tdawg3782]

2nd sim is in the books:

Rules: 75 Man Preseason Roster/XP Sliders adjusted (details by position)/Progress set to Every 4 Weeks

How to read chart: Base is how many players were rated in each group and +10 Years is how many after simming 10 seasons. The % is just the % of players rated in each group to give you a visual that way. Total is the total amount of players rated 80+.

QB(90%):

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QB(90%)	Base	+10 Years	Base %	+10 Years %
95-99	3	2	11.54%	5.56%
90-94	3	3	11.54%	8.33%
85-89	7	14	26.92%	38.89%
80-84	13	17	50.00%	47.22%
Total	26	36	100.00%	100.00%

This turned out really good. The 10% drop gave us 5 players at 90+ opposed to 7 players at 100%. A few more 85-89, a few less 80-84, but still 36 total players 80+. Sticking with 90%.

HB(120%):

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HB(120%)	Base	+10 Years	Base %	+10 Years %
95-99	0	0	0.00%	0.00%
90-94	4	2	12.90%	6.67%
85-89	5	4	16.13%	13.33%
80-84	22	24	70.97%	80.00%
Total	31	30	100.00%	100.00%

We had 23 players 80+ at 100%. Now we have 30. The 85+ guys are a little less but those 24 players between 80-84 could easily have been higher if something different happened during the sim. I like where this is at too. You could go up another 5-10% but for my tastes I think I'm set.

FB(100%):

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FB(100%)	Base	+10 Years	Base %	+10 Years %
95-99	0	0	0.00%	0.00%
90-94	1	0	8.33%	0.00%
85-89	4	3	33.33%	21.43%
80-84	7	11	58.33%	78.57%
Total	12	14	100.00%	100.00%

Kept this the same and it's nearly exact. Obviously we are going to see some variable when simming even when the XP Sliders stay the same but it's good to see some consistency. This is set for me at 100%

WR(110%):

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WR(110%)	Base	+10 Years	Base %	+10 Years %
95-99	2	0	3.92%	0.00%
90-94	13	2	25.49%	2.90%
85-89	14	17	27.45%	24.64%
80-84	22	50	43.14%	72.46%
Total	51	69	100.00%	100.00%

This was pretty solid as well. We only had 6 more players 80+ then at 100% which isn't that much. That was my biggest concern. To much depth. We increased the 85-89 range from by 5 and 90+ stayed the same. We may be able to squeeze a little more out of this without it getting crazy depending on what you want for your CFM. Think I'll try 120% just to see what happens.

TE(90%):

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TE(90%)	Base	+10 Years	Base %	+10 Years %
95-99	1	0	4.00%	0.00%
90-94	3	3	12.00%	10.00%
85-89	4	7	16.00%	23.33%
80-84	17	20	68.00%	66.67%
Total	25	30	100.00%	100.00%

This is perfect in my opinion. We only dropped 80+ players by 1, thinned out the 85-89 range, and added some the the 80-84 range. 90+ stayed the same. 90% it is for me.

T(110%):

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T(110%)	Base	+10 Years	Base %	+10 Years %
95-99	3	0	6.98%	0.00%
90-94	4	1	9.30%	2.50%
85-89	12	9	27.91%	22.50%
80-84	24	30	55.81%	75.00%
Total	43	40	100.00%	100.00%

This didn't do much at all. We actually dropped 80+ players by 4, 80-84 stayed the same, 85-89 lost 1, and 90+ lost 3. This leads me to believe that what Aestis said about PBK and RBK being expensive may be a problem here. With that I will try 130% next sim.

G(130%):

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G(130%)	Base	+10 Years	Base %	+10 Years %
95-99	1	0	3.45%	0.00%
90-94	3	4	10.34%	10.53%
85-89	9	3	31.03%	7.89%
80-84	16	31	55.17%	81.58%
Total	29	38	100.00%	100.00%

So this had a big affect. We increased 80+ players by 16 from 100%. Finally got some 90+ guys and a few 85-89 guys. I like the spread here. Keeping at 130%.

C(130%):

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C(130%)	Base	+10 Years	Base %	+10 Years %
95-99	0	0	0.00%	0.00%
90-94	1	0	6.25%	0.00%
85-89	6	1	37.50%	6.67%
80-84	9	14	56.25%	93.33%
Total	16	15	100.00%	100.00%

This did nothing. We had 1 more player at 80+ from 100%. That's it. I really want to get C striaght because it always seems that people just put backup T or G there because the are better. I want some true C to ball. So not sure why it worked so well for G and not C but up we shall go. 150% for next sim.

DE(100%):

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DE(100%)	Base	+10 Years	Base %	+10 Years %
95-99	1	1	3.23%	2.13%
90-94	9	5	29.03%	10.64%
85-89	15	27	48.39%	57.45%
80-84	6	14	19.35%	29.79%
Total	31	47	100.00%	100.00%

Here is the variable I was talking about even though it was at 100% again. Total players 80+ increased by 4. That's nothing. 90+ was the same. But 85-89 went up 12 and 80-84 went down 8. Pretty big fluctuation on the lower end. I'm reluctant to drop this because I like what I'm seeing on the 90+ side. Sticking with 100% for now.

DT(100%):

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DT(100%)	Base	+10 Years	Base %	+10 Years %
95-99	1	0	4.17%	0.00%
90-94	5	1	20.83%	2.86%
85-89	4	11	16.67%	31.43%
80-84	14	23	58.33%	65.71%
Total	24	35	100.00%	100.00%

About the same as before. I'm good with this. 100% is set for me here.

OLB(90%):

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OLB(90%)	Base	+10 Years	Base %	+10 Years %
95-99	3	0	6.67%	0.00%
90-94	8	12	17.78%	21.82%
85-89	11	12	24.44%	21.82%
80-84	23	31	51.11%	56.36%
Total	45	55	100.00%	100.00%

80+ players dropped 4. 90% went up 1, 85-89 went down 2, and 80-84 went down 3. Pretty good results. May still be a tad high but I think I like this setting. For now I'll stick with 90%.

MLB(100%):

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MLB(100%)	Base	+10 Years	Base %	+10 Years %
95-99	1	0	5.88%	0.00%
90-94	1	4	5.88%	18.18%
85-89	6	4	35.29%	18.18%
80-84	9	14	52.94%	63.64%
Total	17	22	100.00%	100.00%

80+ players dropped by 4 but it's still very good overall. That's a throw away variable. I like this setting at 100%. Sticking with it.

CB(120%):

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CB(120%)	Base	+10 Years	Base %	+10 Years %
95-99	1	0	3.13%	0.00%
90-94	7	3	21.88%	8.33%
85-89	13	15	40.63%	41.67%
80-84	11	18	34.38%	50.00%
Total	32	36	100.00%	100.00%

80+ players went up by 8 from 100%. 90+ gained 2 and it seems much more balanced. Variables will make this set solid I think. Keeping 120%.

FS(100%):

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FS(100%)	Base	+10 Years	Base %	+10 Years %
95-99	2	0	7.41%	0.00%
90-94	5	3	18.52%	8.82%
85-89	5	12	18.52%	35.29%
80-84	15	19	55.56%	55.88%
Total	27	34	100.00%	100.00%

Almost the same as the first sim which is good. Couple 90+ guys this time. 100% seems to be the way to go.

SS(90%):

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SS(90%)	Base	+10 Years	Base %	+10 Years %
95-99	0	0	0.00%	0.00%
90-94	2	3	12.50%	8.33%
85-89	6	6	37.50%	16.67%
80-84	8	27	50.00%	75.00%
Total	16	36	100.00%	100.00%

80+ players only dropped by 2 form 100%. 90+ dropped by 1 but the real result is the 85-90 range dropped by 10. Much less top heavy and more realistic. 90% it is for me.

K(100%):

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K(100%)	Base	+10 Years	Base %	+10 Years %
95-99	0	0	0.00%	0.00%
90-94	0	0	0.00%	0.00%
85-89	0	1	0.00%	16.67%
80-84	7	5	100.00%	83.33%
Total	7	6	100.00%	100.00%

Few less then last time but still consistent with what apparently the game wants. 100% is a lock for me here.

P(100%):

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P(100%)	Base	+10 Years	Base %	+10 Years %
95-99	0	0	0.00%	0.00%
90-94	0	0	0.00%	0.00%
85-89	0	2	0.00%	10.53%
80-84	5	17	100.00%	89.47%
Total	5	19	100.00%	100.00%

This jumped by 7 players 80+ but to be honest I don't really care lol. They are mostly all in the 80-84 range. If you wanted to drop it to 90% to get more inline with the base roster you could. Up to you. !00% for me.

2nd sim is in the books. I think I've locked down most of the positions. Will do another sim when I can to try to nail down those final few positions. Also any input is welcome. If someone has a good idea I'm all ears.

What I have so far:

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QB: 90% (done)
HB: 120% (done)
FB: 100% (done)
WR: 120% (wip)
TE: 90% (done)
T: 130% (wip)
G: 130% (done)
C: 150% (wip)
DE: 100% (wip)
DT: 100% (done)
OLB: 90% (wip)
MLB: 100% (done)
CB: 120% (done)
FS: 100% (done)
SS: 90% (done)
K: 100% (done)
p: 100% (done)

[Rabbott24]

Loving this thank you a ton

I was thinking there might be an issue with CPU upgrading every 4 weeks, when you get to higher levels 85 or 90 plus players the CPU can't afford to spend on stats that matter s(and it doesn't save XP) they spend it on stats that don't help overall nearly as much (ea released a % break down by position while back) which is why I think the 90 plus players are low and the depth is high

Might be better having it upgrade once a year