Is The New Aggressive Catch Overpowered? (Possible Tweak Coming In Tuning Update?)

[takki]

I haven't played the game yet obviously but in every video I'm seeing of Madden 16, people are just lobbing it up to their WR and getting spectacular catches over perfect coverage on almost every throw.

Alot of these, the DB actually intercepts the ball but the receiver tears it out of the DB's hands in mid-air.

This really has me worried, as I was starting to get excited for this year, since they seemed to have fixed most other issues I had with the gameplay. Yes, I'm aware that you can press a button to "play the ball" which will knock the ball out of the receiver's hands and isn't as risky as trying to intercept it. But I'm not seeing any youtuber use it.

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-Edited By ChaseB-

Seems there will be a post-launch tuner. According to Rex Dickson (Madden developer) on Twitter:

@Mr_DirtySprit3 Aug 20
@RexDEAFootball Game looks great Rex! Just 1 major flaw..Will the Aggresive catch be toned down post patch? #GREATGAMEIFTHATHAPPENS


Rex Dickson
@RexDEAFootball
@Mr_DirtySprit3 We will have a tuning update before the post launch patch. Details forthcoming.

I don't consider that a stone-cold guarantee or anything as it's ambiguous, but updating the OP accordingly.

[SolidSquid]

Re: Madden 16: Is the new Aggressive Catch overpowered?

my initial feeling is yes but we really wont be able to tell until we play the game for ourselves

[Kingd803]

Re: Madden 16: Is the new Aggressive Catch overpowered?

Certainly seems so. It's actually getting old already just from these YouTube videos. Feels like I've seen the same animations many times.

I don't understand why you need all this button pressing. Just let it play out naturall. Let football be football. I guess the button mashing is for the masses. Gives it that back of the box feel. Oh EA

[mixxx01]

Re: Madden 16: Is the new Aggressive Catch overpowered?

Problem was that last year if you threw the ball to a receiver for a jump ball it would get intercepted the majority of the time. That is not reflective of NFL. Usually jump ball is caught by receiver knocked out by the corner or overthrown by the qb. INTs on deep balls happen far less in real life as opposed to about 75% of the time in madden 15. I think this year they got it right.


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[Mizzou24]

Re: Madden 16: Is the new Aggressive Catch overpowered?

Rex stated that u can still play no switch and the wide receivers will use the ratings they have to determine the outcomes.


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[4thQtrStre5S]

Re: Madden 16: Is the new Aggressive Catch overpowered?

I believe ratings are being considered, and that the CPU player will use their ratings, but games are about user control...I play many shooter games, and I have to aim my own gun instead of having the special forces soldier, I am playing as, shoot for me...

[Kingd803]

Re: Madden 16: Is the new Aggressive Catch overpowered?

Rex stated that u can still play no switch and the wide receivers will use the ratings they have to determine the outcomes.


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But the ratings should determine the outcome anyways. Ratings should determine what animations a player has available to them. That's not the case? So will every receiver be able to do all catch animations?

[Kingd803]

Re: Madden 16: Is the new Aggressive Catch overpowered?

I believe ratings are being considered, and that the CPU player will use their ratings, but games are about user control...I play many shooter games, and I have to aim my own gun instead of having the special forces soldier, I am playing as, shoot for me...

But then that gives the player your controlling a unfair advantage. And may cause him to not play like himself

[jfsolo]

Re: Madden 16: Is the new Aggressive Catch overpowered?

I haven't played the game yet obviously but in every video I'm seeing of Madden 16, people are just lobbing it up to their WR and getting spectacular catches over perfect coverage on almost every throw.

Alot of these, the DB actually intercepts the ball but the receiver tears it out of the DB's hands in mid-air.

This really has me worried, as I was starting to get excited for this year, since they seemed to have fixed most other issues I had with the gameplay. Yes, I'm aware that you can press a button to "play the ball" which will knock the ball out of the receiver's hands and isn't as risky as trying to intercept it. But I'm not seeing any youtuber use it.

IMO, most, not all, but most Users who take control of the defender, like to play hero ball, and go for the pick all the time. Pass breaks up aren't sexy. With that being said, it does seem OP, so people who don't use sliders will probably be P'Oed quite a lot.

[charter04]

Re: Madden 16: Is the new Aggressive Catch overpowered?

My first reaction is that it seems OP but, the thing I want to see is how it plays out on All Madden difficulty. From what has been shown I don't think any footage is on AM. Pro or All pro is what it's on.

Also the deep ball was money with tall receivers on Madden 15 already. Just watch video's by these same youtubers.

In the league I'm in we had lot's of deep ball catches. At least the CB's have a chance to defend it now.

The completion percentages seem to be lower in every video I've seen. These guys usually complete very high %.

As was already said though, we won't really know until the masses get the game.

[SolidSquid]

Re: Madden 16: Is the new Aggressive Catch overpowered?

My first reaction is that it seems OP but, the thing I want to see is how it plays out on All Madden difficulty. From what has been shown I don't think any footage is on AM. Pro or All pro is what it's on.

Also the deep ball was money with tall receivers on Madden 15 already. Just watch video's by these same youtubers.

In the league I'm in we had lot's of deep ball catches. At least the CB's have a chance to defend it now.

The completion percentages seem to be lower in every video I've seen. These guys usually complete very high %.

As was already said though, we won't really know until the masses get the game.

all-pro is default difficulty online so thats disheartening

[The JareBear]

Re: Madden 16: Is the new Aggressive Catch overpowered?

I agree with SS earlier, we really don't know until we play it ourselves.

The aggressive catch itself might not be the problem though.

I like that the WR can attack the ball now, I really do.

I think the bigger problem is how often the ball is put right on the money for it to be caught only by the WR. I think if accuracy is tuned a little bit the aggressive catches will balance out more evenly between the WR and DB.

I think, slider wise, this year we need to find the best synergy between WR catching, pass coverage, and QB accuracy to perfectly balance the passing game.

To be clear, I am not saying we need more blatant overthrows and underthrows, the ball can still get to a catch-able area, but just more in a place where the DB is able to make a play on it as well. Just a small tweak in accuracy/odds of putting the high point right on the money.

Also, I think aggressive catches would be easier to stomach if there weren't so many one handed snags popping up in the vids.

[Mizzou24]

Re: Madden 16: Is the new Aggressive Catch overpowered?

I agree with SS earlier, we really don't know until we play it ourselves.

The aggressive catch itself might not be the problem though.

I like that the WR can attack the ball now, I really do.

I think the bigger problem is how often the ball is put right on the money for it to be caught only by the WR. I think if accuracy is tuned a little bit the aggressive catches will balance out more evenly between the WR and DB.

I think, slider wise, this year we need to find the best synergy between WR catching, pass coverage, and QB accuracy to perfectly balance the passing game.

To be clear, I am not saying we need more blatant overthrows and underthrows, the ball can still get to a catch-able area, but just more in a place where the DB is able to make a play on it as well. Just a small tweak in accuracy/odds of putting the high point right on the money.

I definitely agree accuracy looks to be alarming, but hopefully sliders will fix that.. In the past it really hasn't done it for me. Hopefully they tuned the accuracy sliders to work better this year.


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[The JareBear]

Re: Madden 16: Is the new Aggressive Catch overpowered?

Certainly seems so. It's actually getting old already just from these YouTube videos. Feels like I've seen the same animations many times.

I don't understand why you need all this button pressing. Just let it play out naturall. Let football be football. I guess the button mashing is for the masses. Gives it that back of the box feel. Oh EA

As soon as I play the game, whether thru early copy or EA Access, I am going to stream all my gameplay and will be playing strict no-switch (no influence at all with ball in the air). Hopefully we see some organic gameplay that way

[The JareBear]

Re: Madden 16: Is the new Aggressive Catch overpowered?

My first reaction is that it seems OP but, the thing I want to see is how it plays out on All Madden difficulty. From what has been shown I don't think any footage is on AM. Pro or All pro is what it's on.

Also the deep ball was money with tall receivers on Madden 15 already. Just watch video's by these same youtubers.

In the league I'm in we had lot's of deep ball catches. At least the CB's have a chance to defend it now.

The completion percentages seem to be lower in every video I've seen. These guys usually complete very high %.

As was already said though, we won't really know until the masses get the game.

Rev did post a full game on AM in the pre-release video thread by QTR, just in case you missed it Charter.