Think EA Needs Two Separate Presentation Models

[Samusic78]

Dude we got so
Many bugs on this Madden 21 it’s so bad. But again they take things out than to build upon them. I personally like realism to a game and details. Gameplay is top of the list. But I want the real details. First the beginning presentation I don’t like last years was real good it was more realistic. I mean what they have now is good for the arcade style. Not in franchise. They moved the pace real quick which is ok again for arcade but not for real simulation football. They need to separate the two. And simulation needs highlights. The modes should show this like mlb The show has. Simulation needs to introduce the players of each team. and the conclusion of the game terrible with the same half cut pictures instead of the top highlight plays. And the players and coaches meeting on the field after the game. Simulation mode should have this and the half time show needs to stick with again highlights! That’s why I said here they go again ea taking stuff out. It disappointing and don’t get me started on the #fixfrancise I hope these can be adress amoung other things with patches or not come madden 22

[Cato06]

Re: Think EA Needs Two Separate Presentation Models

Dude we got so
Many bugs on this Madden 21 it’s so bad. But again they take things out than to build upon them. I personally like realism to a game and details. Gameplay is top of the list. But I want the real details. First the beginning presentation I don’t like last years was real good it was more realistic. I mean what they have now is good for the arcade style. Not in franchise. They moved the pace real quick which is ok again for arcade but not for real simulation football. They need to separate the two. And simulation needs highlights. The modes should show this like mlb The show has. Simulation needs to introduce the players of each team. and the conclusion of the game terrible with the same half cut pictures instead of the top highlight plays. And the players and coaches meeting on the field after the game. Simulation mode should have this and the half time show needs to stick with again highlights! That’s why I said here they go again ea taking stuff out. It disappointing and don’t get me started on the #fixfrancise I hope these can be adress amoung other things with patches or not come madden 22

100% agree with this. Maddens presentation has always been too much arcade style and not enough broadcast. I get not everyone wants the full broadcast experience and have to x through it all, but it would be better if it was at least available in a separate presentation view in franchise. If its done correctly it could add so much life to your franchise and keep you connected with whats going on in your game and around the league.

I've been hopping on Maddens presentation for years, and not sure what it would take to get them to move the needle, but if they really are going to start paying attention to franchise they gotta fix the presentation as well. It goes hand in hand for a good quality franchise mode with broadcast presentation.

Below is an old post that i made a couple years back. I kind of cringed when i re-read this, lol! but i still feel the same way today as i did a couple years back on how EA has approached presentation. They are completely missing the boat on what franchise players want.

https://forums.operationsports.com/forums/madden-nfl-football/936824-presentation-time-change-part-ii.html

[Madden08PCgmr]

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I think they need seperate games, period.

Have a mainstream game (Online, MUT) strip everything else out.

Have a franchise-style game that isn't released every year. Pack it with this stuff. Pack it with the story mode they seem intent on selling. Go deep, without the restraints of a yearly development cycle.

[Datninja619]

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I find it hilarious that when you skip the halftime show, the announcer says "Annnd we are back" or eludes to us skipping the halftime show.

Of course we are skipping it! Nothing exciting about it

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[Cardot]

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Yeah, I have found on these boards that tastes for presentation vary greatly.....so options are always nice. For replays for example, I would think 4 or 5 levels of frequency would be appropriate....something like:
1. Never
2. Rarely (Big Plays)
3. Occasionally
4. Frequently
5. Always

And maybe have a separate/similar option for cutscenes.

I find pace of play to be a huge part of the gaming experience. So nice to be able to customize that.

[Dagan]

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I'm on the side for just making individual games for each mode. Hear me out. Ask this simple question: What's easier to patch and fix, individual games with one specific code and function or one game full of mini game modes with multiple codes and functions?

I'm hoping that the future is 2K doing standalone Yard game, a standalone story mode game and then EA doing standalone Franchise sim and a standalone MUT game. Four games, yes, but for all of you that feel like these companies want to gouge us for every penny, then selling four games instead of one would indeed fit that mindset.

[Unlucky 13]

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We've talked about this numerous times over the years, but I can't help but wonder how much effort it would really take to make two separate games. They could use the exact same game engine and player models, ect. But then have one game stripped bare except for basic games, online play and microtransaction mode. While the other doesn't have any of that and is franchise mode only. They would need to hire a few guys to code the deeper franchise aspect, but even if they only sold 100,000 copies of the game, they would more than make up whatever extra money they put into it.

[Madden08PCgmr]

Re: Think EA Needs Two Separate Presentation Models

We've talked about this numerous times over the years, but I can't help but wonder how much effort it would really take to make two separate games. They could use the exact same game engine and player models, ect. But then have one game stripped bare except for basic games, online play and microtransaction mode. While the other doesn't have any of that and is franchise mode only. They would need to hire a few guys to code the deeper franchise aspect, but even if they only sold 100,000 copies of the game, they would more than make up whatever extra money they put into it.

I'd love to know how the suits view this one.

I get not wanting to divide the audience. (I'm not buying the product at all).. but I certainly wouldn't buy the online/MUT/roster update every year. Simply couldn't care less about any of that.. but its beyond clear, I'm not even a speed bump. Every diehard that has stopped buying has been replaced at 2 or 3x over.

How many diehards could they bring back in the fold with a bonafide, robust career/franchise/coach mode?

Make 1 franchise game to rule them all.. then, h@ll, as masters of online content, sell roster updates for this. Sell content! It will sustain itself and be an annual revenue source, same as Madden.

[tuckermaine]

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Ive been buying Madden for years, back when John Madden was on the covers.
I’ve been disappointed before, but for the first time in Madden history I feel that I made a mistake in buying 21.

I have have the digital $100 version (MVP), it is a total mess and for the first time I really feel that EA and whom ever is involved with customer relations developing ect really “does not”care about the product they pushed out this year.

Called and got a refund as I really became frustrated with lack of “Football” in this football game.

There is just tooooo many things wrong with this version to begin here so ...
I’ll just wait and see if the people over at EA will make a Football Game for PS5 - not some broken arcade attempt at what was once a very good football simulation.

[Cato06]

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I'd love to know how the suits view this one.

I get not wanting to divide the audience. (I'm not buying the product at all).. but I certainly wouldn't buy the online/MUT/roster update every year. Simply couldn't care less about any of that.. but its beyond clear, I'm not even a speed bump. Every diehard that has stopped buying has been replaced at 2 or 3x over.

How many diehards could they bring back in the fold with a bonafide, robust career/franchise/coach mode?

Make 1 franchise game to rule them all.. then, h@ll, as masters of online content, sell roster updates for this. Sell content! It will sustain itself and be an annual revenue source, same as Madden.

The thing that bothers me every year is when I play the game you can tell the developers have no focus or vision for an authentic NFL experience. It’s like everyone who creates ideas for this game has severe ADHD, and can’t just keep on course and keep improving modes. They are all over the place trying to keep up with what other franchises are doing and I just see a game that has all kinds of bugs and random features that don’t seem complete at all. Everything seems so rushed to try and keep everyone happy.

One madden they end up creating team entrances. Then after 2 seasons they replace it with a CBS like broadcasts with Jim Nantz etc. then that disappears after a couple seasons and then they put back in new revamped team entrances.....Then we get terrible player intros that don’t replicate any real life broadcast with player introductions with them flexing on the field..... then it was stadium exteriors that had literally no fans walking around the stadium and had no point to it what so ever. Literally, no one asked for it. Then they put in some game intro with 3D helmets that also literally no one asked for and now is missing in madden 21......now in madden 21 they put in some arcade style (something that should be in NFL Blitz) type game intro that shows my coach fist pumping like an idiot before every game and a highlight montage of a game that hasn’t even happened yet...??????

Seriously! What is going on over in that office? Are they all just running around the office like everything is on fire? Everything is so random that they put in this game. All you have to do is record some games and literally copy a broadcast style presentation. It really shouldn’t be this painful for them to keep focus on broadcast style presentations. Anything else just looks cheap and arcadey to me.




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[tuckermaine]

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Didn’t want to quote the above (big) but ...Ditto Cato6 you nailed it !
That’s my sentiments exactly!

[oneamongthefence]

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The thing that bothers me every year is when I play the game you can tell the developers have no focus or vision for an authentic NFL experience. It’s like everyone who creates ideas for this game has severe ADHD, and can’t just keep on course and keep improving modes. They are all over the place trying to keep up with what other franchises are doing and I just see a game that has all kinds of bugs and random features that don’t seem complete at all. Everything seems so rushed to try and keep everyone happy.

One madden they end up creating team entrances. Then after 2 seasons they replace it with a CBS like broadcasts with Jim Nantz etc. then that disappears after a couple seasons and then they put back in new revamped team entrances.....Then we get terrible player intros that don’t replicate any real life broadcast with player introductions with them flexing on the field..... then it was stadium exteriors that had literally no fans walking around the stadium and had no point to it what so ever. Literally, no one asked for it. Then they put in some game intro with 3D helmets that also literally no one asked for and now is missing in madden 21......now in madden 21 they put in some arcade style (something that should be in NFL Blitz) type game intro that shows my coach fist pumping like an idiot before every game and a highlight montage of a game that hasn’t even happened yet...??????

Seriously! What is going on over in that office? Are they all just running around the office like everything is on fire? Everything is so random that they put in this game. All you have to do is record some games and literally copy a broadcast style presentation. It really shouldn’t be this painful for them to keep focus on broadcast style presentations. Anything else just looks cheap and arcadey to me.




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Presentation in competitive modes are toned way down. So it's not really a focus anymore. The goal is to let players get in as many games as they can so they can grind for rewards in mut. Removing the walk up to the line, lineups at the start of the game, halftime and post game show, lack of decent replays, its all taken a step back.

I'm not bashing MUT or the yard at all. Having less presentation makes sense but it leaves another segment of the user base out in the cold. Basically anything that's not geared to microtransactions modes are getting worse every year.

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[Cato06]

Think EA Needs Two Separate Presentation Models

Presentation in competitive modes are toned way down. So it's not really a focus anymore. The goal is to let players get in as many games as they can so they can grind for rewards in mut. Removing the walk up to the line, lineups at the start of the game, halftime and post game show, lack of decent replays, its all taken a step back.

I'm not bashing MUT or the yard at all. Having less presentation makes sense but it leaves another segment of the user base out in the cold. Basically anything that's not geared to microtransactions modes are getting worse every year.

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Yea, I agree and understand the reasoning. It’s just a shame that no one over there seems to have a passion for developing a really in depth NFL experience that replicates what we see on TV. It’s exactly what you said, to make it faster/quicker to level up and keep throwing VC into their pockets. Guys like me are just looking for a different kind of fun experience I guess.


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[tuckermaine]

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EA refunded me for my digital disaster ...and I can still use it...maybe some time in the mid of winter this game will be patched enough so as to start a franchise...

[Funkycorm]

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More presentation models are always a good thing.

However when it comes to splitting it into 2 games this is where I have an issue even though I am a franchise player. This same topic comes up in other games as well. Make the ultimate team versions and franchise games different.

But here is the problem... What happens when people play both? I now have to buy 2 games when I used to have to buy just one. What if I like both? Suddenly it is a rip off for me because I have to buy 2 instead of one .

The splitting games topic honestly has no merit to it whatsoever and should never be an option for the game.

Don't get me wrong, I definitely think there are needed improvements in franchise but why buy 2 games when I get what I want in one?