the over analyzing of MLB 2k9...good or bad sign?

[sirwoodz]

I'm 27 years old, been gaming since I was about 6 or 7, been surfing online game forums since you had to install AOL with those little white floppy disks...

I've never seen a game analyzed and dissected down to a tee before its release the way MLB 2k9 has been. not any game - sports or otherwise...and not just on this site, but all over the internet:

- players have large trap muscles
- too much organ music
- questionable hits
- fans not responding realistically
- framerate issues (despite what espn and game informer says lol)
- uniform accuracy
- stadium accuracy
tons more but you get the idea....

on one hand, this could just be nothing more than the foreshadowing of yet ANOTHER sub-par 2k baseball project by gamers across the internet...or, is this just the byproduct of the PS3 vs XBOX360, or MLB THE SHOW vs 2k BASEBALL wars...

so what do you think? are these concerns legit, or not?

[baa7]

Re: the over analyzing of MLB 2k9...good or bad sign?

I've never seen a game analyzed and dissected down to a tee before its release the way MLB 2k9 has been.

You don't visit the Madden forums then. This is no different than many games around here.

[deucepoppi17]

Re: the over analyzing of MLB 2k9...good or bad sign?

I'm in the same boat as you with the age thing.....but i think the "honeymoon" of next-gen is way past us and people are waiting for that one dynamic game that takes our breath away. Sony and Microsoft have been pimping their systems to us for 5+ years and we have yet to see a sports game that is way beyond everything else we've seen.

And the companies excuse of "we are revamping last years edition" instead of adding new things is getting very old. The turnover in video games is ridic and the fans are just waiting for a conisitent development team.

[The Living Legend]

Re: the over analyzing of MLB 2k9...good or bad sign?

I agree i am 29 years old, and basically gamers today are spoiled nothing more nothing less, i played Baseball 4200 on atari as well as the RBI baseballs and back then we were lucky to have the real MLB teams let alone stadiums.

And what sux is that coming onto boards i have slowly become spoiled as well and it sux, its like we should be lucky we have the things we have in a game.

Like i read on here its insane what people expect in there games, like shoes or guards, tattoo's, eye wear etc... its ridiculous, but unfortunately that is the way games are no people want everything which is nice to an extent.

I think what makes thing is when things are given in a game and then taken out the next year like dynamic lighting or graphics. That is what i get mad about the most if stuff is not in it then nobody cares but when another game put it certain aspects of a game like real time scoreboards or correct shoes, we expect it in every game to follow which in all tents and purposes is a legit argument. Those are some of my thoughts.

[Trevytrev11]

Re: the over analyzing of MLB 2k9...good or bad sign?

Much of the "over analyzing" is due to the fact that you have people who were fans of many different games a few years ago who are now forced to choose from one single title if they own a 360...and it just so happens that that one title has a very poor track record over the past three years, which drives a ton of skeptism (sp?). So part of it right there is that you have people who were spread out over several forms a few years ago, consolidated into one.

Plus every person has their own agenda for what is important to them. For some it's strictly gameplay, for others it's presentation and others it's franchise and for most it's a mix of everything.

Whether something is legit is up to the person. Things that concern you won't concern me. Things that I see as wrong, may not even hit your radar. Things that I enjoy about the game, you may not and vice versa for all of that.

Each persons experience and opinion of this game (and any game) is a by product of their expectations and their preferences.

If something is factually wrong and it bothers someone, who is anyone else to say it's rediculous? To say so shows complete disregard to the fact that each person, as an individual, has their own likes, dislikes, tastes and preferences.

Finally, like you many people have grown up and don't want to play baseball games anymore where a player hits .500 85 HR's and knocks in 200 runs. They don't want a game where they can used certain cheat tactics that will knowingly beat the computer. People crave realism in their sports games and when things are off, they want them fixed...especially when you have game developers every year bragging that their game is "the most realistic experience available".

[sirwoodz]

Re: the over analyzing of MLB 2k9...good or bad sign?

I'm in the same boat as you with the age thing.....but i think the "honeymoon" of next-gen is way past us and people are waiting for that one dynamic game that takes our breath away. Sony and Microsoft have been pimping their systems to us for 5+ years and we have yet to see a sports game that is way beyond everything else we've seen.

- wow. I couldn't agree more, very well stated especially about NEXT GEN gaming - to hell with just sports games, the games in GENERAL aren't really all that mind blowing with a few exceptions...but I digress.

i guess my question is - who here really thinks that IGN/Game Informer are going to rate the game based on organ music, or whether or not david ortiz can "REALLY" hit that pitch out of the park..

[crumpled_heap]

Re: the over analyzing of MLB 2k9...good or bad sign?

- i guess my question is - who here really thinks that IGN/Game Informer are going to rate the game based on organ music, or whether or not david ortiz can "REALLY" hit that pitch out of the park..

Ign are not baseball fans. Just watch their gameplay videos and you will see.

[Trevytrev11]

Re: the over analyzing of MLB 2k9...good or bad sign?

- i guess my question is - who here really thinks that IGN/Game Informer are going to rate the game based on organ music, or whether or not david ortiz can "REALLY" hit that pitch out of the park..

I don't think most people around here are concerned with IGN's ratings or use them as a tool to purchase a game. Most will trust the regular people on here much more than a guy's review of the game, who has no business reviewing a baseball game. If anything, IGN's review will get chastized here simply because they will nit-pick some minute detail that doesn't concern the meat and potatoes of the game and knock the score down because of it.

- are these gripes legitimate concerns, or people just simply nit picking all of these videos apart for whatever reason?

Again, depends on the person. Each person will have their order of preferences and their concerns will fall in that order.

Organ music isn't one of my major concerns about the game, but it annoys me to a point, so if someone brings it up, I'll chime in to agree with them. I'm not going to start a thread about it, but if someone's thing is real baseball atmosphere (over gameplay or realistic stats) and they feel that it's not portrayed right, then let them gripe.

The way I see it is there are people who want a feature where they can sit in the crowd and watch a game and feel like they are at the ballpark. This, to me is a complete waste of everything that goes into a game and is just rediculous. But if someone wants it, it's not going to impact me one way or the other, so I see no point in saying anything negative about it.

[thornie]

Re: the over analyzing of MLB 2k9...good or bad sign?

There are a few people here that will hate anything you put in front of them. These are the nit pickers and we all know who they are. They often raise valid concerns about the game, but it tends to bother them more than just about anyone else. Nothing gets by these folks, and to be honest they serve a valuable purpose here.

It's really up to you to if you want to read their 10 paragraph dissertations on how the wind blowing in from the NW should create a particular ball trajectory that would allow for more hits up the middle on a sunny day at 3pm on a Monday at a Ballpark facing true North. In the end, you have to ask yourself what matters to YOU most as a gamer. Things like, hit variety, smooth gameplay, and immersible experience matter to me most. While other more cosmetic or "outlandish" complaints I just take with a grain of salt or ignore altogether.

[Trevytrev11]

Re: the over analyzing of MLB 2k9...good or bad sign?

Whether it's a good sign or a bad sign, I guess we won't know until the game is released and we all get a chance to play it and see if our concerns were legit and or adressed. I'd say it's definitely a good "thing" because it shows the fans care and are passionate about the product they are going to receive. It hopefully forces the producers to stay on their game and hopefully motivates them to produce the best product they possibly can.

[sirwoodz]

Re: the over analyzing of MLB 2k9...good or bad sign?

Finally, like you many people have grown up and don't want to play baseball games anymore where a player hits .500 85 HR's and knocks in 200 runs. They don't want a game where they can used certain cheat tactics that will knowingly beat the computer. People crave realism in their sports games and when things are off, they want them fixed...especially when you have game developers every year bragging that their game is "the most realistic experience available".

- funny you say that, because outside of probably the soccer games, there is only but a little bit of REALISM in any of these sports titles out here (nit picking time):

Tiger woods - birdies and eagles hit everyday of the season? really?

Madden - where to start?

MLB THE SHOW - human beings look like that?

NBA 2k9 - Gerald Wilkins can do a reverse jam on Dwight Howard?

Gran Turismo - no car can sustain car crash damage due to legal/licensing issues?

any time you pick up a video game, you KNOW you are playing a video game...minor clipping is to be expected, graphical hiccups, reality altered a tad bit for the experience (I agree about the stadiums in 2k9 that is over the top).

but cmon...the CROWD not reacting to the situations 100% of the time? homeruns off the end of the bat? the baseball bat sounds? NONE of these complains i'd EVER heard about until I started surfing 2k forums. not a one.

[DaveDQ]

Re: the over analyzing of MLB 2k9...good or bad sign?

Sirwoodz, great topic. I think first and foremost the over analyzing comes from people having access to a computer and have free time on their hands. I'd say 70 percent of it would stop if that was not the case.

Another aspect, as others have brought out, is there really hasn't been anything that takes people to a level of depth that keeps them from coming here and posting about a sports game. I think it was Extremegamer that made a comment about how next-gen sports gaming hasn't really done much at all. It hasn't. Mostly everything introduced is sloppy, needing a patch (that rarely fixes) and is just isn't that unique or creative.

Yet, they have raised the prices. The sports gamer is perpetually getting screwed. He's looking for that one golden nugget in gaming that proves it's worth it. All the while, the dealers keep pushing, over promising and raising prices.

[Tomba]

Re: the over analyzing of MLB 2k9...good or bad sign?

I'm 27 years old, been gaming since I was about 6 or 7, been surfing online game forums since you had to install AOL with those little white floppy disks...

I've never seen a game analyzed and dissected down to a tee before its release the way MLB 2k9 has been. not any game - sports or otherwise...and not just on this site, but all over the internet:

- players have large trap muscles
- too much organ music
- questionable hits
- fans not responding realistically
- framerate issues (despite what espn and game informer says lol)
- uniform accuracy
- stadium accuracy
tons more but you get the idea....

on one hand, this could just be nothing more than the foreshadowing of yet ANOTHER sub-par 2k baseball project by gamers across the internet...or, is this just the byproduct of the PS3 vs XBOX360, or MLB THE SHOW vs 2k BASEBALL wars...

so what do you think? are these concerns legit, or not?

No to mention the underanlyzing of MLb The Show 09...

To everyone's credit though we got a HORRIBLE 2k game last year. this years so much improved that it's not funny. instantly i saw a better color pallete. instantly i saw a more intriguing presentation and instantly i saw good framerates...

[FocusYoMindOnDis]

Re: the over analyzing of MLB 2k9...good or bad sign?

I feel that people here go into these games way deeper than the average fan. But think of all the things that would be omitted from these games if we didn't speak up.

[thornie]

Re: the over analyzing of MLB 2k9...good or bad sign?

As a gamer, I come from the "suspend a certain level of disbelief" camp. I'm not one of those people who go to the movies and argue the science over how Iron Man can fly. He flies, end of story. Obviously we are talking about two different things, a comic character Vs. a "sports simulation". But growing up on the video games of the 80s, I just play to be entertained. I agree that there SHOULD be a discernible difference between a game like the BIGS and MLB 2k whatever, but I'm willing to bend a little over things that some here just simply won't budge on (the Markakis oppo HR)... and I'm cool with that.