NY Yankees Pitching Edits

[jkra0512]

Quote: Originally Posted by Erick

CC Sabathia 4-Seam FB- 94 mph Slider- 82 mph Change-up- 85 mph Slurve- 79 mph Changeup is straight but he holds it with a Circle - Change grip. I too only thought he thew a slurve. Last year CC was changing his grip on the 4 seamer to create more movement. I noticed it throughout the playoffs as his fastball had more tail as opposed to in the past. I like the idea of using the slurve instead of both. I could've sworn he throws both though, but it could be that his slurve is just flattening out and has more velocity, which technically is a slider but...well you get the picture. AJ Burnett 4-Seam FB- 95 mph Curveball- 79 mph 2-seam FB- 93 mph Changeup- 86 mph Slider- 84 mph AJ throws a knuckle - curve. The "slider" you see is just him holding the knuckle - curve tighter as he releases to get a sharper break. So what do you propose we do then? Get rid of the slider and curveball in favor of a knuckle-curve? I like that idea, just give the knuckle-curve more velocity and decent break and we're in business. Andy Pettitte 4-Seam FB- 88 mph Cutter- 86 mph Slider- 83 mph Curveball- 75 mph Changeup- 80 mph Andy has always had a curveball, but recent years that pitch has drastically flattened out resembling more of a slurve-type pitch. I remember early in his career he had that big looping breaking ball. Not so anymore. It's hard to decipher, at least for me, if Andy actually has a slider or if it's just his Cutter having more movement. You know I agree with you, I think he just owns a cutter and his "slider" is just him loosening up the grip and trading speed for more break. I, too, remember the looping curve he had and agree with giving him just slurve instead of a slider and curve Javier Vazquez 4-seam FB- 92 mph Slider- 84 mph Changeup- 80 mph Curveball- 73 mph I gave Javier a running fastball just because his it has alot of movement to it. Did you keep it at the same speed? Phil Hughes 4-seam FB- 94 mph Curveball- 77 mph Cutter- 90 mph Slider- 88 mph Changeup- 84 mph He dropped the slider in favor of the cutter last year. Phil also throws a Knuckle - Curve. So you got rid of the slider and and curve in favor of the knuckle-curve? What about trading changeup for circle-change? Alfredo Aceves 4-seam FB- 91 mph Changeup- 83 mph Curveball- 79 mph Cutter- 88 mph Alfredo throws a circle - change David Robertson 4-seam FB- 91 mph Curveball- 80 Slider- 88 David throws a cutter. And his fastballs actually have a natural cutting action to it as well. Is he a Running Fastball candidate? I know his curveball is straight ridiculous when he's on...break is absolutely devestating Sergio Mitre 4-seam FB- 91 mph 2-seam FB- 91 mph Changeup-84 mph Curveball- 78 mph Slider- 79 mph I don't think he throws a 4 - Seamer. I don't think he throws anything straight really Give him a Running FB instead of a 4-seamer? Should the change then be a circle-change? Joba Chamberlain 4-seam FB- 94 mph Slider- 86 mph Curveball- 79 mph Changeup- 83 mph Chan-Ho Park 4-seam FB- 91 mph Slider- 85 mph Curve- 78 mph Change- 84 mph Damaso Marte 4-seam FB- 92 mph Slider- 81 mph Changeup- 83 mph Mariano Rivera 4-seam FB- 91 mph Cutter- 92 mph 2-seam FB- 90 mph I had to give him another pitch, but he rarely uses a 2-seam... So that's my two cents.

I wrote everything in red for you to look at. I think most of what you said is right...

[jkra0512]

Quote: Originally Posted by RAZRr1275

I'm not going to give a full breakdown but your on the right track. A couple things though. For the guy that suggested knuckle curves that is correct but in this game the knuckle curves don't get as much break as the pitchers curves do in real life. I'm using a sweeping curve for burnett and a 12-6 for hughes. Sabathia should have a running fb or 2sfb because of the movement. Vasquez should also have a sinker as a primary.

Thanks Razr, I'm looking forward to your edits! I'm just trying to get an idea of how to do this and what to look for. Plus, it's a good discussion! Thanks again for your input.

[ElroyJetson]

Quote: Originally Posted by jkra0512

That's the thing, I can't make accurate edits without really having a base to draw from. If someone could teach me how to read these charts for horizontal movement and vertical movement I could possibly come up with something we can work from. Basically, I need to figure out who has the best pitch of each type which is VERY subjective. For instance, Zito has a ridiculous curveball in terms of 12-6 break but does he have the best 12-6 curve in the league? My other question is, should we lump this in with Rob_NYY's "NYY Roster Edits - MLB 10" thread? Just so we can have a huge Yankees themed roster edit.

I think it would be a good idea to just add this to Rob's Yankee thread

[Erick]

It really depends upon what you feel is right. I like to base each pitcher off of what they throw in real life. RAZR has a different approach.

It's really up to you what satisfies you. I'm just giving you my take.

The problem I get with these pitch edits is that pitchers will have a few variations of a certain pitch so it's hard to give them any specific type of pitch at all.

Burnett for example, has that curve that he can change speed, angle and depth depending on how he holds it. Same goes for many other pitchers.

[RAZRr1275]

Quote: Originally Posted by Erick

It really depends upon what you feel is right. I like to base each pitcher off of what they throw in real life. RAZR has a different approach. It's really up to you what satisfies you. I'm just giving you my take. The problem I get with these pitch edits is that pitchers will have a few variations of a certain pitch so it's hard to give them any specific type of pitch at all. Burnett for example, has that curve that he can change speed, angle and depth depending on how he holds it. Same goes for many other pitchers.

Yeah I like to go based on the break of the pitch.

I agree about the variations. SCEA really needs to put something in so that we can set that.

[A-Cam]

Well, what are you guys using for control/break of these pitches?

[jkra0512]

Ok so I did a little research and I think I understand how V-movement on pitchfx. Here's an example using three pitchers who feature a sinker (these numbers were taken from fangraphs.com).

Brandon Webb: Drops on average 9.3 in.
Derek Lowe: Drops on average 9.7 in.
Javier Vazquez: Drops on average 8.9 in.

These are all on a 3-year average. Now the question is, how do we translate this to the game? It'd be nice if we could just give Webb a 93 for break on his sinker, Lowe a 97, and Vazquez but that's not going to work...lol

[RAZRr1275]

Quote: Originally Posted by jkra0512

Ok so I did a little research and I think I understand how V-movement on pitchfx. Here's an example using three pitchers who feature a sinker (these numbers were taken from fangraphs.com). Brandon Webb: Drops on average 9.3 in. Derek Lowe: Drops on average 9.7 in. Javier Vazquez: Drops on average 8.9 in. These are all on a 3-year average. Now the question is, how do we translate this to the game? It'd be nice if we could just give Webb a 93 for break on his sinker, Lowe a 97, and Vazquez but that's not going to work...lol

I'd have to look into that on a wider scale but actually i'd say just shifting the decimal point over like that is close to accurate for those guys.