Blown save statistic question.

[JG1986]

Hey guys, I have a quick question. If Jon Rauch blows a seventh inning lead, why does the game consider that a blown save? To my understanding, saves can only come in the ninth inning or later.

Wikipedia defines a blown save as "A blown save (abbreviated BS or B) is charged to a pitcher who enters a game in a situation which permits him to earn a save (a save situation or save opportunity), but who instead allows the tying run to score."

The seventh inning should not constitute a save situation, correct?

Wasn't completely sure, so any help is appreciated!

[sdf4977]

Re: Blown save statistic question.

Hey guys, I have a quick question. If Jon Rauch blows a seventh inning lead, why does the game consider that a blown save? To my understanding, saves can only come in the ninth inning or later.

Wikipedia defines a blown save as "A blown save (abbreviated BS or B) is charged to a pitcher who enters a game in a situation which permits him to earn a save (a save situation or save opportunity), but who instead allows the tying run to score."

The seventh inning should not constitute a save situation, correct?

Wasn't completely sure, so any help is appreciated!

It is a save situation cause that reliever could pitch for 3 inning and get the save

[JG1986]

Re: Blown save statistic question.

It is a save situation cause that reliever could pitch for 3 inning and get the save

Yup, that makes sense. Haha thank you for clearing that up!

[ktd1976]

Re: Blown save statistic question.

Hey guys, I have a quick question. If Jon Rauch blows a seventh inning lead, why does the game consider that a blown save? To my understanding, saves can only come in the ninth inning or later.

Wikipedia defines a blown save as "A blown save (abbreviated BS or B) is charged to a pitcher who enters a game in a situation which permits him to earn a save (a save situation or save opportunity), but who instead allows the tying run to score."

The seventh inning should not constitute a save situation, correct?

Wasn't completely sure, so any help is appreciated!

here, this article will kind of clarify it.

http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article****p?ymd=20110511&content_id=18961422&notebook_id=18961638&vkey=notebook_cws&c_id=cws

The game has it right. The MLB makes no distinction between a blown save, and a blown hold.

A "hold" is credited to a reliever who would be credited with a save if the situation he was pitching in would be in the last inning. For example, Pitcher A comes into the game in the 8th inning, protecting a 1 run lead. If this were the 9th inning, it would be a save situation. Pitcher A finishes the inning, keeping the tying run from scoring. If this were the last inning, he would be credited with a "save" but since it isn't, he is credited with a "hold"

If Pitcher A would allow the tying run in that situation, he would receive a "blown Save" because there is no statistic for a blown hold.

[ZOMB13AUTOPILOT]

Yes. In baseball a pitcher can qualify for a save if he enters the game in the 7th inning or later with a 1, 2 or 3 run lead and remains in for the remainder of the game or he can enter with 1 out in the 9th or later if the game tying run is on deck.

[JG1986]

Re: Blown save statistic question.

here, this article will kind of clarify it.

http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article****p?ymd=20110511&content_id=18961422&notebook_id=18961638&vkey=notebook_cws&c_id=cws

The game has it right. The MLB makes no distinction between a blown save, and a blown hold.

A "hold" is credited to a reliever who would be credited with a save if the situation he was pitching in would be in the last inning. For example, Pitcher A comes into the game in the 8th inning, protecting a 1 run lead. If this were the 9th inning, it would be a save situation. Pitcher A finishes the inning, keeping the tying run from scoring. If this were the last inning, he would be credited with a "save" but since it isn't, he is credited with a "hold"

If Pitcher A would allow the tying run in that situation, he would receive a "blown Save" because there is no statistic for a blown hold.

Gotcha. I wonder why the MLB doesn't keep track of blown holds separate from blown saves. I'm not really a baseball noob or anything, I just haven't questioned this before.

[Eleanor62]

Re: Blown save statistic question.

It is a save situation cause that reliever could pitch for 3 inning and get the save

[Redacted01]

Re: Blown save statistic question.

here, this article will kind of clarify it.

http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article****p?ymd=20110511&content_id=18961422&notebook_id=18961638&vkey=notebook_cws&c_id=cws

The game has it right. The MLB makes no distinction between a blown save, and a blown hold.

A "hold" is credited to a reliever who would be credited with a save if the situation he was pitching in would be in the last inning. For example, Pitcher A comes into the game in the 8th inning, protecting a 1 run lead. If this were the 9th inning, it would be a save situation. Pitcher A finishes the inning, keeping the tying run from scoring. If this were the last inning, he would be credited with a "save" but since it isn't, he is credited with a "hold"

If Pitcher A would allow the tying run in that situation, he would receive a "blown Save" because there is no statistic for a blown hold.

This is why. It has nothing to do with a possible 3-inning save. It has to do with the fact that had it been the 9th and not the 7th, you are pitching in a "save" situation, it just doesn't seem like it since it isn't the last inning.

[geardust]

Re: Blown save statistic question.

Just for the record

September 3, 2002
Three Rangers pitchers combine to one-hit the Orioles, winning by a score of 7 - 1. Starter Aaron Myette is ejected after throwing two pitches and replaced by Todd Van Poppel, who throws two hitless innings. Van Poppel is in turn replaced by rookie Joaquin Benoit who does not give up a hit until Jerry Hairston's leadoff triple in the 9th. Benoit gets credit for a 7-inning save, the longest since saves were first recorded in 1969.

[JG1986]

Re: Blown save statistic question.

Just for the record

September 3, 2002
Three Rangers pitchers combine to one-hit the Orioles, winning by a score of 7 - 1. Starter Aaron Myette is ejected after throwing two pitches and replaced by Todd Van Poppel, who throws two hitless innings. Van Poppel is in turn replaced by rookie Joaquin Benoit who does not give up a hit until Jerry Hairston's leadoff triple in the 9th. Benoit gets credit for a 7-inning save, the longest since saves were first recorded in 1969.

Wow. So i guess saves are not limited to the last 3 innings?

[ptbnl]

Re: Blown save statistic question.

Wow. So i guess saves are not limited to the last 3 innings?

Nope, but you have to finish the game and either pitch at least three innings or hold a three-run or less lead or meet the other requirements (ie: tying run in the on-deck circle).

[AUTiger1]

Re: Blown save statistic question.

And here's something for you. Tonight the Rockies beat the Giants 17-8 and Tyler Chatwood was credited with a save for the Rockies because he pitched the final 3 innings of the game.

[saturn2187]

Re: Blown save statistic question.

And here's something for you. Tonight the Rockies beat the Giants 17-8 and Tyler Chatwood was credited with a save for the Rockies because he pitched the final 3 innings of the game.

HA! Thats nothing. Try getting a save in a 30-3 blowout! Check out this boxscore between the Rangers and Orioles. Wes Littleton picked up the save.

http://scores.espn.go.com/mlb/boxscore?gameId=270822201

[JG1986]

Re: Blown save statistic question.

HA! Thats nothing. Try getting a save in a 30-3 blowout! Check out this boxscore between the Rangers and Orioles. Wes Littleton picked up the save.

http://scores.espn.go.com/mlb/boxscore?gameId=270822201

hahaha wow this is all news to me. I had no idea about this. I thought it was limited to the 9th inning with a lead of 3 runs or less. Guess you learn something knew everyday.

[ptbnl]

Re: Blown save statistic question.

You guys realize the save isn't a real thing, right? It was made up by writers in the 50s and 60s.

And its the only reason "closers" exist as they're used today. It's an artificial role created by a made-up stat.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Save_(baseball)#History