Glitch on MLB 13? ball through bat?

[DevilRays22]

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Soo this just happened when I was playing my Mariners franchise. I was trailing 2 runs so a hit would've been nice... And I know that when you're in slump every call seems against you but this is just ridiculous..
they better fix this for 14 the show.

[Bobhead]

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it's been stated a few times that the replay system is not 100% accurate.

It's quite difficult to fully process and recount every single frame of every movement, so the replay system cuts some corners for the sake of processing time and file size (when you save the replay)...

When the bat goes through the ball in a replay, it probably didn't actually go through the bat, you're just getting a truncated animation.

I don't know WHY the replay system is like this, and ideally it would be fully functional... maybe it has to do with hardware limitations...

I'm just saying the issue is in the replay, not the game physics.

Other sports games do this too, you can see the ball clipping through the hoop sometimes in NBA games, and things like that. Replays are generally cut for convenience.

[aquapowers]

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Soo this just happened when I was playing my Mariners franchise. I was trailing 2 runs so a hit would've been nice... And I know that when you're in slump every call seems against you but this is just ridiculous..
they better fix this for 14 the show.

This happens to Ike Davis in real life all the time!

[Holly_T]

Re: Glitch on MLB 13? ball through bat?

it's been stated a few times that the replay system is not 100% accurate.

It's quite difficult to fully process and recount every single frame of every movement, so the replay system cuts some corners for the sake of processing time and file size (when you save the replay)...

When the bat goes through the ball in a replay, it probably didn't actually go through the bat, you're just getting a truncated animation.

I don't know WHY the replay system is like this, and ideally it would be fully functional... maybe it has to do with hardware limitations...

I'm just saying the issue is in the replay, not the game physics.

Other sports games do this too, you can see the ball clipping through the hoop sometimes in NBA games, and things like that. Replays are generally cut for convenience.

I love MLB The Show. I have since 2008, but you can't prove what's in bold. The bat probably goes through the ball because, in certain situations, the pitcher - batter match ups will result in a strong attribute imbalance that will overtake a situation, so no matter how perfectly a swing is timed or how perfectly it's placed, it won't result in contact.

I've never seen any other anomalies in replays, so I don't believe that truncated animations are causing what you see here. In fact, most of the times when I do watch a replay it's because I felt like I hit the ball solidly, but I struck out and guess what ? In those situations, about 20% of the time, the replay shows the bat going through the ball. Other times, it'll show I just missed it by a hair, so I believe the replays are very accurate.

It doesn't happen enough to affect my enjoyment of the game.

[G3no_11]

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This isn't a "ball through bat" example and might even be a little off-topic but..

Last year in RTTS... you guys remember the pitch-out glitch? This year they got rid of it by having the ball take a 45 degree angle right into the catchers glove instead of it getting past the catcher and having the game freeze.

Sometimes when this happens, the ump will even call it a strike when it is clearly a pitch out. You can see the ball going perfectly straight, toward the plate, and then sharply cutting once the catcher stands up so it ends up in his glove.

Doesn't ruin the game (actually a huge improvement from last year in not making the game freeze) but it just shows how some of this ball physics can be quirky.

[Russell_SCEA]

Re: Glitch on MLB 13? ball through bat?

it's been stated a few times that the replay system is not 100% accurate.

It's quite difficult to fully process and recount every single frame of every movement, so the replay system cuts some corners for the sake of processing time and file size (when you save the replay)...

When the bat goes through the ball in a replay, it probably didn't actually go through the bat, you're just getting a truncated animation.

I don't know WHY the replay system is like this, and ideally it would be fully functional... maybe it has to do with hardware limitations...

I'm just saying the issue is in the replay, not the game physics.

Other sports games do this too, you can see the ball clipping through the hoop sometimes in NBA games, and things like that. Replays are generally cut for convenience.

Winner winner chicken dinner the replay's are not played back at the exactly as things play out in real time. The ball through the bat is a visual anomaly in the replay's.

[Bobhead]

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I love MLB The Show. I have since 2008, but you can't prove what's in bold.

Winner winner chicken dinner the replay's are not played back at the exactly as things play out in real time. The ball through the bat is a visual anomaly in the replay's.

I believe that just proved it?

I've never seen any other anomalies in replays, so I don't believe that truncated animations are causing what you see here.

Of course not, because pitch-to-contact sequences are the part of the game with the highest level of processing and per-frame data, so that's the only area that would require truncation. Just like when the ball is in the air in an NBA game is the part that requires the most processing. You have to account for the contact equation, point of destination, trajectory, etc... Every single rotation and centimeter of movement has to be accounted for... so it only makes sense to cut some of that out and shorten things.

You wouldn't really need truncation once the ball is in play, or say, on a replay for a stolen base, because fielder throws and human movement are nowhere near as mathematically complex, as when the bat meets the ball.

[CJ10]

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Winner winner chicken dinner the replay's are not played back at the exactly as things play out in real time. The ball through the bat is a visual anomaly in the replay's.

Not so sure about that. I dont think its a coincidence that when I think I see a ball go through the bat during live play and I check the replay that it does in fact go through the bat. I have never thought I saw this and not seen it in the replay. As well I have never seen the ball through the bat on a replay that I was looking at for another reason. The same thing happens in madden, its imperfect collision detection, but dont try to tell us we arent seeing something when we are. Just say "its imperfect collision detection and its the closest we can get it"

[bp4baseball]

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Not so sure about that. I dont think its a coincidence that when I think I see a ball go through the bat during live play and I check the replay that it does in fact go through the bat. I have never thought I saw this and not seen it in the replay. As well I have never seen the ball through the bat on a replay that I was looking at for another reason. The same thing happens in madden, its imperfect collision detection, but dont try to tell us we arent seeing something when we are. Just say "its imperfect collision detection and its the closest we can get it"

He's not saying you're not seeing it, he's just saying you're seeing it for reasons other than what you think. So it's not Imperfect collisions, just imperfect hardware rendering capability. The math is still all correct.

[ARoid1313]

[QUOTE=Bobhead;2045034372]it's been stated a few times that the replay system is not 100% accurate.

It's quite difficult to fully process and recount every single frame of every movement, so the replay system cuts some corners for the sake of processing time and file size (when you save the replay)...

When the bat goes through the ball in a replay, it probably didn't actually go through the bat, you're just getting a truncated animation.

I don't know WHY the replay system is like this, and ideally it would be fully functional... maybe it has to do with hardware limitations...

I'm just saying the issue is in the replay, not the game physics.

Other sports games do this too, you can see the ball clipping through the hoop sometimes in NBA games, and things like that. Replays are generally cut for convenience.[/QUOTE

Absolutely 100% not this, it's issues with game physics

[HechticSooner]

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I love how when the devs take time out of their day to answer questions all the computer scientists and programers come out of the wood works to tell them they don't know what they are talking about.


Then they complain when the devs don't answer questions because they don't want to attempt to answer questions that have over technical answers only for these same computer scientist say they know better.

[Gosens6]

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I love how when the devs take time out of their day to answer questions all the computer scientists and programers come out of the wood works to tell them they don't know what they are talking about.


Then they complain when the devs don't answer questions because they don't want to attempt to answer questions that have over technical answers only for these same computer scientist say they know better.

Didn't you know, they can make these games better than the actual developers any day of the week

[Russell_SCEA]

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Not so sure about that. I dont think its a coincidence that when I think I see a ball go through the bat during live play and I check the replay that it does in fact go through the bat. I have never thought I saw this and not seen it in the replay. As well I have never seen the ball through the bat on a replay that I was looking at for another reason. The same thing happens in madden, its imperfect collision detection, but dont try to tell us we arent seeing something when we are. Just say "its imperfect collision detection and its the closest we can get it"

The replay's are not played back at the exactly as things play out in real time. The ball through the bat is a visual anomaly in the replay's.

[DevilRays22]

Re: Glitch on MLB 13? ball through bat?

it's been stated a few times that the replay system is not 100% accurate.

It's quite difficult to fully process and recount every single frame of every movement, so the replay system cuts some corners for the sake of processing time and file size (when you save the replay)...

When the bat goes through the ball in a replay, it probably didn't actually go through the bat, you're just getting a truncated animation.

I don't know WHY the replay system is like this, and ideally it would be fully functional... maybe it has to do with hardware limitations...

I'm just saying the issue is in the replay, not the game physics.

Other sports games do this too, you can see the ball clipping through the hoop sometimes in NBA games, and things like that. Replays are generally cut for convenience.

Hm I guess we'll have to wait for the Next Gen consoles until they really fix this. . I hope they can improve the crowd then also since that has been a major bummer as well.

[bp4baseball]

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Hm I guess we'll have to wait for the Next Gen consoles until they really fix this. . I hope they can improve the crowd then also since that has been a major bummer as well.

I think The Show has one of the best (if not the best) crowds in the current sports game but I'm sure we'll see improvement. The one thing I'd like to see is where the clones in the crowd aren't necessarily doing the same actions at the same time. That would help hide them a bit, though I'm not sure if that's even possible.