My love affair with The Show is over

[theblackbra]

Man, I never thought it would get to this point.

From the first game I played of The Show on my first generation PSP (The Show 06), I was in LOVE. I thought I had something really special with the MVP series, and Triple Play before that, but The Show took all that and blew it up and made it again and BETTER. So much better.

Then, I got 07 for the PSP AND PS2... and then 08, 09, etc. Every year. I got a team hat that one year. I couldn't get enough. And it seemed like every year, it improved. When it came to PS3 and we could create our own minor league systems... forget about it. HEAVEN for this video game baseball fan. I would tinker and play around so much that I never finished a franchise season. It was all just too much fun. I even managed to help out on the minor league rosters once or twice...

And year after year, I wanted MORE. Not just better graphics, or improved gameplay during games, but MORE.

It got SO CLOSE to hooking me again as I was starting to fade last year when I could custom make my online team. But the satisfaction from FINALLY being able to create a team from scratch, as shallow as that was in that particular game mode, soon left me. In its place was a little bit of anger... resentment...

You see, for YEARS now I've wanted something that even the relatively feeble ALL STAR BASEBALL series was able to implement into its games- EXPANSION MODE. Honestly, they finally added the generated count which was in both of my ALL STAR BASEBALL games I owned in my late teens, but why on Earth have they not given me what I have been craving?

I clearly see that they have the ability to have a top notch jersey and logo customization feature. I loved it. It was just right. Not too complicated. Not as painfully simple as that in NBA 2K13. Perfect.

And I know other video games with licenses have included features which allow created teams to be placed in custom franchises (ie create a team in NBA 2k13 and put that team in place of, say, the Orlando Magic). They do it pretty well, from the limited time I've used that mode.

I just keep coming back to how much potential the mode had in ALL STAR BASEBALL. I wasn't much of a fan of the gameplay, and found it to be too easy, but as far as the generated count, and the expansion mode, it was years ahead of its time compared to MVP Baseball and The Show. That's all I'm asking for.
Take the existing uniform, logo editing in The Show for the Diamond Dynasty, add in the ability to take that team (along with adding location data, etc.) and replace a team (let's say Tampa Bay), and we're good.

Of course, with replacing a team, you'd need a new stadium. While I would LOVE to construct a custom stadium (think MVP NCAA Baseball stadium editor but on a larger scale), I'd be fine with a dozen or so generic templates.

I'm not trying to sound ungrateful. I love The Show series, and I will continue to support it in spirit even though I can't bring myself to continue to purchase it. Everyone involved does a great job... I just wish they could think a little bigger, as, for me, it is becoming a roster update for $50-60. And that's basically what Madden got to be after a certain point. I just don't want my beloved baseball gaming franchise to get that stale.

You can even take the Madden model and use their lackluster "relocation" option. I would even settle for that! I would even pay $70 or $80 for THAT game because with the community rosters, The Show is easily worth that.

Here's to nearly a decade of baseball goodness

I'll be back if you decide to deliver more than the same (really good) game.

[dubplate]

Re: My love affair with The Show is over

I'd rather they tighten and refine the already amazing gameplay and work on presentation as opposed to adding new game modes.

[Mrmagoo]

Re: My love affair with The Show is over

I can relate to what your saying, and yes probably in time create a team (as you want it) will come along. All I can add, and I don't really know how to explain it but it's been something that I have often thought about in my own experience in gaming. I'm not necessarily saying this applies to you either, it just brought some of these thoughts to mind after reading your post.


I sometimes think we try to reclaim that special time (game) experience we've had when we were young. Although I think it's something that can't be done, we have grown older, maybe expect something more perfect due to technology and also because as we grow older we see and learn other areas of games that should be improved. We need something more perfect (so to speak) as we grow older (or so it seems).

It's a constant game of chasing but never catching that same special time in our childhood when that game came out that was the cats meow. Like I said I can't directly put my finger on it, also struggle to explain it, maybe because I don't quite understand it myself.

But since the intellivision days with that baseball game with little stick men and the old "your out" I've been chasing that same feeling in some ways. Me and a buddy of mine played almost nightly, it was that special game n time for me and I just don't think it will ever come about again.

Guess it's all a part of growing up. Like I said not saying it applies to your post, just wanted to share.
I certainly hope you can find some continued enjoyment out of 13 to hold you over till.... The show can bring you back!
Also probably not the place, but wanted to thank all the ppl that have worked on the show through the years, it's a great product, excellent customer service, and great attention to detail!! You ppl have come the closest to bringing me back to my childhood in regards to games. Thank you and continued success!!

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[Orange]

Re: My love affair with The Show is over

Man, I never thought it would get to this point.

From the first game I played of The Show on my first generation PSP (The Show 06), I was in LOVE. I thought I had something really special with the MVP series, and Triple Play before that, but The Show took all that and blew it up and made it again and BETTER. So much better.

Then, I got 07 for the PSP AND PS2... and then 08, 09, etc. Every year. I got a team hat that one year. I couldn't get enough. And it seemed like every year, it improved. When it came to PS3 and we could create our own minor league systems... forget about it. HEAVEN for this video game baseball fan. I would tinker and play around so much that I never finished a franchise season. It was all just too much fun. I even managed to help out on the minor league rosters once or twice...

And year after year, I wanted MORE. Not just better graphics, or improved gameplay during games, but MORE.

It got SO CLOSE to hooking me again as I was starting to fade last year when I could custom make my online team. But the satisfaction from FINALLY being able to create a team from scratch, as shallow as that was in that particular game mode, soon left me. In its place was a little bit of anger... resentment...

You see, for YEARS now I've wanted something that even the relatively feeble ALL STAR BASEBALL series was able to implement into its games- EXPANSION MODE. Honestly, they finally added the generated count which was in both of my ALL STAR BASEBALL games I owned in my late teens, but why on Earth have they not given me what I have been craving?

I clearly see that they have the ability to have a top notch jersey and logo customization feature. I loved it. It was just right. Not too complicated. Not as painfully simple as that in NBA 2K13. Perfect.

And I know other video games with licenses have included features which allow created teams to be placed in custom franchises (ie create a team in NBA 2k13 and put that team in place of, say, the Orlando Magic). They do it pretty well, from the limited time I've used that mode.

I just keep coming back to how much potential the mode had in ALL STAR BASEBALL. I wasn't much of a fan of the gameplay, and found it to be too easy, but as far as the generated count, and the expansion mode, it was years ahead of its time compared to MVP Baseball and The Show. That's all I'm asking for.
Take the existing uniform, logo editing in The Show for the Diamond Dynasty, add in the ability to take that team (along with adding location data, etc.) and replace a team (let's say Tampa Bay), and we're good.

Of course, with replacing a team, you'd need a new stadium. While I would LOVE to construct a custom stadium (think MVP NCAA Baseball stadium editor but on a larger scale), I'd be fine with a dozen or so generic templates.

I'm not trying to sound ungrateful. I love The Show series, and I will continue to support it in spirit even though I can't bring myself to continue to purchase it. Everyone involved does a great job... I just wish they could think a little bigger, as, for me, it is becoming a roster update for $50-60. And that's basically what Madden got to be after a certain point. I just don't want my beloved baseball gaming franchise to get that stale.

You can even take the Madden model and use their lackluster "relocation" option. I would even settle for that! I would even pay $70 or $80 for THAT game because with the community rosters, The Show is easily worth that.

Here's to nearly a decade of baseball goodness

I'll be back if you decide to deliver more than the same (really good) game.

I too loved Allstar's Expansion mode. I would play this so much if they put it in. I loved making my hometown, since we don't have a team.

I can relate to what your saying, and yes probably in time create a team (as you want it) will come along. All I can add, and I don't really know how to explain it but it's been something that I have often thought about in my own experience in gaming. I'm not necessarily saying this applies to you either, it just brought some of these thoughts to mind after reading your post.


I sometimes think we try to reclaim that special time (game) experience we've had when we were young. Although I think it's something that can't be done, we have grown older, maybe expect something more perfect due to technology and also because as we grow older we see and learn other areas of games that should be improved. We need something more perfect (so to speak) as we grow older (or so it seems).

It's a constant game of chasing but never catching that same special time in our childhood when that game came out that was the cats meow. Like I said I can't directly put my finger on it, also struggle to explain it, maybe because I don't quite understand it myself.

But since the intellivision days with that baseball game with little stick men and the old "your out" I've been chasing that same feeling in some ways. Me and a buddy of mine played almost nightly, it was that special game n time for me and I just don't think it will ever come about again.

Guess it's all a part of growing up. Like I said not saying it applies to your post, just wanted to share.
I certainly hope you can find some continued enjoyment out of 13 to hold you over till.... The show can bring you back!
Also probably not the place, but wanted to thank all the ppl that have worked on the show through the years, it's a great product, excellent customer service, and great attention to detail!! You ppl have come the closest to bringing me back to my childhood in regards to games. Thank you and continued success!!

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I agree with you too. Probably has something to do with it. Lots of good childhood memories from baseball, both real and video games.

[cusefan74]

Re: My love affair with The Show is over

I'd rather they tighten and refine the already amazing gameplay and work on presentation as opposed to adding new game modes.

That's what I always say. Let's improve on what we got and not worry about adding more things that could go wrong. Don't get me wrong I would love an expansion mode, but for me, this game is pretty darn good the way it is.

[Betterai]

Re: My love affair with The Show is over

If The Show added the ability to add expansion teams in their franchise, that would be dope......the great thing about ASB's expansion mode is you didn't have to replace any of the existing teams, instead the expansion clubs were just added to the league

But with that said, it's going to take a helluva lot more than not having the ability to add expansion teams, to make me stop loving The Show

[tessl]

Re: My love affair with The Show is over

I'm not bored enough to search for it but in either a video or a post a dev - might have been Russell - said they were contemplating a build-a-stadium feature this year but when they decided to build stadiums from scratch for the ps4 instead of porting them from the ps3 that required them to put create-a-stadium on hold. They didn't commit to it but I have a strong feeling mlbts15 will include build-a-stadium.

I don't know about expansion mode but if they combine the team naming and logo creation features which already exist in diamond dynasty (which for me was the only positive about that mode) with build-a-stadium then you might be able to relocate/replace an existing team.

Expansion would cause other problems with the need for more MLB caliber players being generated but relocate/replace an existing team with your created name, logo and stadium is something I could see happening providing the MLB licensing agreement allows it.

Don't file for divorce yet.

[timmermac]

Re: My love affair with The Show is over

Sorry, but before you get create-a-team/expansion, this game needs better player cards. I want to see year-by-year stats for a player's entire career with more than BA/HR/RBI/SB and W/L/SO/ERA before we get to adding expansion teams.

[dallas0112]

Re: My love affair with The Show is over

I agree with OP. How is create a team not in this game for franchise play? I say this every year to myself. Years ago in other games we could build a team and build a stadium. I'd also like to be able to change the mow patterns on the field before the game. We could do that in the old games, now we can't. We've been looking at the same Red Sox logo mow pattern for what 3 years now. I don't know, but I assume these things are minor things that could be done easily. Oh we'll, like I say every year as well, maybe next year?

[Orange]

Re: My love affair with The Show is over

That's what I always say. Let's improve on what we got and not worry about adding more things that could go wrong. Don't get me wrong I would love an expansion mode, but for me, this game is pretty darn good the way it is.

Sorry, but before you get create-a-team/expansion, this game needs better player cards. I want to see year-by-year stats for a player's entire career with more than BA/HR/RBI/SB and W/L/SO/ERA before we get to adding expansion teams.

NOPE! Forget all that stuff and get expansion mode in for 15.

[Ghost Of The Year]

Re: My love affair with The Show is over

You see, for YEARS now I've wanted something that even the relatively feeble ALL STAR BASEBALL series was able to implement into its games- EXPANSION MODE. Honestly, they finally added the generated count which was in both of my ALL STAR BASEBALL games I owned in my late teens, but why on Earth have they not given me what I have been craving?

The disconnect is probably in that most everyone has something different they would rather The Show add, or change, or get rid of entirely.
But obviously not all the changes can be put in. I, for one, would rather have custom schedules for franchise and editable names for coaches and managers.
A hundred different people will yield 99 more different wants. I can live (for now)without my specific desires and create a team and create a stadium. I could no more fall out of love with the Show than I could stop loving my own parents, or apple pie, or Bama football. 65$ a year on a baseball game is less than 20 cents a day, a bargain by my standards. Thanks SDS!

[TheAdamKennedy]

Re: My love affair with The Show is over

Just wanted to let OP know that I'm with him. Not in the sense that I'm past my love affair with the franchise (it completely pissed me off last night with some shenanigans in both Franchise and RTTS, but I'm still going to play it as soon as I get home tonight), but I REALLY want expansion mode.

Even if they rip it DIRECTLY from All-Star Baseball 02 on the PS2... which did a great job with it, by the way (if only the on-field product was better in that game). A great expansion draft (which, if you throw in the OSFM, would be even deeper), an acceptable create-a-team (something they kind of already have with Diamond Dynasty) and so-so stadium creator.

The things people want out if this game next year confuse me (better player cards? seriously? I get it, but that is such a small thing) but to each his own.

I've always wanted to see The Show put out a great Expansion mode... glad to see I'm not the only one.

[Starducket Moon]

Re: My love affair with The Show is over

The disconnect is probably in that most everyone has something different they would rather The Show add, or change, or get rid of entirely.
But obviously not all the changes can be put in. I, for one, would rather have custom schedules for franchise and editable names for coaches and managers.
A hundred different people will yield 99 more different wants. I can live (for now)without my specific desires and create a team and create a stadium. I could no more fall out of love with the Show than I could stop loving my own parents, or apple pie, or Bama football. 65$ a year on a baseball game is less than 20 cents a day, a bargain by my standards. Thanks SDS!

This is true. I wish they'd dump the online play and add custom coaches, full exhibition including using your 90 man roster, all the uniforms and import draft class. I can't stand online. Too many times the experience is unsatisfactory for me. But other people love it. So it's one big compromise. Hopefully the next generation gives us some more of what we all want.

In the 80s my favorite baseball game was Baseball Stars by TNK. In the 90s it was Hardball 5 for the ps1. This game is tons better than them overall. Imagine how great it will be in the future. It's good to demand more but at the same time we should appreciate what we have.

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[Mrmagoo]

Re: My love affair with The Show is over

Yes ppl have asked for better player cards and better and more complete stats. Just because they ask or want that, doesn't mean it's all they may want though. I'm a firm believe in a complete mod before moving on to another half baked mod.

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[Mrmagoo]

Re: My love affair with The Show is over

How bout from now on company's come out with two completely separate games... One for online and one for offline

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