Converting starters to relievers

[SmooveMove]

Haven't seen this discussion since 2011, and I figured things have changed since then.

I have Mark Appel in AAA, and I don't see him making his way into my rotation anytime soon, so how could I go about adjusting his ratings to convert him to a reliever.

I would imagine that in order to convert any starter to a MRP you would have to bring his stamina down to a 25, as that seems to be what most relievers have it at. What else would I need to change?

Thanks in advance.

[@legendm0de]

Re: Converting starters to relievers

Have you considered changing just his position from SP to RP? This is a GM decision but I don't think you would have to change his attributes just to switch his role in the rotation to the bullpen.

Is even just simply moving his spot in the rotation to the bullpen an option?

[Friar Fanatic]

Re: Converting starters to relievers

If I convert a starter to a reliever I downgrade his stamina and up his velocity as that is a main difference from starters and relievers. Relievers are allowed to throw harder because they throw for less innings.

[SmooveMove]

Re: Converting starters to relievers

Have you considered changing just his position from SP to RP? This is a GM decision but I don't think you would have to change his attributes just to switch his role in the rotation to the bullpen.

Is even just simply moving his spot in the rotation to the bullpen an option?

You can just switch his position, but it seems that you would have to adjust the pitchers ratings to account for him facing significantly less batters per game, and taking longer to reach 9 innings pitched.

For example: The rating K's per nine, which effects how many strikeouts per 9 innings a pitcher gets. For a starter nine innings is not even 2 games of work. For a reliever it will likely take at least 8 appearances, and that could take a month to happen. That may effect the way SCEA rates pitchers.


Thats just the way I see it at least.

[kehlis]

Re: Converting starters to relievers

If I convert a starter to a reliever I downgrade his stamina and up his velocity as that is a main difference from starters and relievers. Relievers are allowed to throw harder because they throw for less innings.

That's a fallacy.

The difference is how long they can be effective maxing out velocity.


See Aroldis Chapman as an example.

The difference between starters and relievers is that some can maintain their velocity for more innings than others.


I agree with the response above yours, if you want to make him a middle reliever, just do it.

GM's in real life don't get to adjust a pitchers velocity or stamina when they make a move.

[BA2929]

Re: Converting starters to relievers

If I convert a starter to a reliever I downgrade his stamina and up his velocity as that is a main difference from starters and relievers. Relievers are allowed to throw harder because they throw for less innings.

So you're saying if Yordano Ventura was a RP he'd throw 110?

GM's in real life don't get to adjust a pitchers velocity or stamina when they make a move.

I adjusted Wade Davis' pitch speed in the game. They only have him hitting 92-93 when he's actually hitting 96-97 in real life. But I wouldn't do that unless I had real life evidence that he threw harder. Not all SPs turned RPs throw harder, as you already know.

[kehlis]

Re: Converting starters to relievers

I adjusted Wade Davis' pitch speed in the game. They only have him hitting 92-93 when he's actually hitting 96-97 in real life. But I wouldn't do that unless I had real life evidence that he threw harder. Not all SPs turned RPs throw harder, as you already know.

Yea I don't disagree, that's a completely different scenario.

[Frank is the Tank]

Re: Converting starters to relievers

I agree with kehlis, the position that a player plays is simply a "role." And I think we can all agree on the fact that a player will give their best effort to fulfill what they have do to contribute what they can to win. Their velocity won't change, how much movement a pitch has, it stays the same, the only thing that changes is the position.

[Friar Fanatic]

Re: Converting starters to relievers

That's a fallacy.

The difference is how long they can be effective maxing out velocity.


See Aroldis Chapman as an example.

The difference between starters and relievers is that some can maintain their velocity for more innings than others.


I agree with the response above yours, if you want to make him a middle reliever, just do it.

GM's in real life don't get to adjust a pitchers velocity or stamina when they make a move.

The thing is that this isn't real life. You can't have a MRP who throws 99 mph for 7 straight innings.

Vice Versa, how can you have a starting pitcher with 25 stamina? It doesn't work.

In real life when a starter is converted into a reliever more emphasis is put on velocity. I'm a Padres fan so I can't speak for every team but I can speak for Cashner as a RP had an average fastball over 100 mph in many games. However since he came to SD and became a starter he does not throw 103 every pitch. Why? Because that would severely hinder his stamina and he would not be able to throw 6+ innings.

Now in MLB the Show there is no way to account for a player's max speed which he would realistically throw in relief. In MLB the Show Casher throws 96-98. So if you can't adjust pitch speed for moving to relief then you're saying Cashner lost 4-6 MPH off his fastball since becoming a starter?

[Friar Fanatic]

Re: Converting starters to relievers

I agree with kehlis, the position that a player plays is simply a "role." And I think we can all agree on the fact that a player will give their best effort to fulfill what they have do to contribute what they can to win. Their velocity won't change, how much movement a pitch has, it stays the same, the only thing that changes is the position.

That is true for real life, but that does not translate into the game as the game does not take into account a player "giving his best effort." As I said above, you cannot have a RP turned starter with 25 stamina and say well it is unrealistic to change his stamina because he is giving his best effort as he would in real life.

[BA2929]

Re: Converting starters to relievers

The thing is that this isn't real life. You can't have a MRP who throws 99 mph for 7 straight innings.

Vice Versa, how can you have a starting pitcher with 25 stamina? It doesn't work.

In real life when a starter is converted into a reliever more emphasis is put on velocity. I'm a Padres fan so I can't speak for every team but I can speak for Cashner as a RP had an average fastball over 100 mph in many games. However since he came to SD and became a starter he does not throw 103 every pitch. Why? Because that would severely hinder his stamina and he would not be able to throw 6+ innings.

Now in MLB the Show there is no way to account for a player's max speed which he would realistically throw in relief. In MLB the Show Casher throws 96-98. So if you can't adjust pitch speed for moving to relief then you're saying Cashner lost 4-6 MPH off his fastball since becoming a starter?

I think you're both saying the same thing. You said earlier that RPs are "allowed" to throw harder, which is incorrect. I believe that's where the disagreement came from.

[rjackson]

Re: Converting starters to relievers

SABER studies have shown an increase by a tick or two in velocity when a SP is made a RP. The cause is not determined. It might not be effort, maybe routine or something. But it does exist. Performance seemingly increases since there are not multiple times through the order as well.

[Friar Fanatic]

Re: Converting starters to relievers

I think you're both saying the same thing. You said earlier that RPs are "allowed" to throw harder, which is incorrect. I believe that's where the disagreement came from.

By "allowed" I mean that the pitching coach does not cap how hard they can throw in relief.

If Chapman moves to a SP the pitching coach will now allow him to throw 100+ every pitch. Chapman's is very very very similar to Cashner as they both throw about the same speed when maxed out with Chapman being slightly higher. The same thing applies though. If Chapman is moved to a SP he would not be allowed by the pitching coach to throw so hard over 6+ innings of work just like Cashner.

Now if Cashner was moved back to the bullpen do you think the pitching coach would allow him to throw 103 again?

[kehlis]

Re: Converting starters to relievers

By "allowed" I mean that the pitching coach does not cap how hard they can throw in relief.

If Chapman moves to a SP the pitching coach will now allow him to throw 100+ every pitch. Chapman's is very very very similar to Cashner as they both throw about the same speed when maxed out with Chapman being slightly higher. The same thing applies though. If Chapman is moved to a SP he would not be allowed by the pitching coach to throw so hard over 6+ innings of work just like Cashner.

Now if Cashner was moved back to the bullpen do you think the pitching coach would allow him to throw 103 again?

I've been a pitching coach and I assure you there is no cap placed on how hard a pitcher throws.

Also, I'm assuming you realize this but pitchers don't know how hard they are going to throw it when they release a pitch. It's all feel and is impossible to keep it a certain velocity.


I won't disagree much with the fact that it's a video game and some things might need to be manipulated but to say pitchers are told to throw at a certain velocity is both realistically incorrect as much as it is factually incorrect.

[Friar Fanatic]

Re: Converting starters to relievers

I've been a pitching coach and I assure you there is no cap placed on how hard a pitcher throws.

Also, I'm assuming you realize this but pitchers don't know how hard they are going to throw it when they release a pitch. It's all feel and is impossible to keep it a certain velocity.


I won't disagree much with the fact that it's a video game and some things might need to be manipulated but to say pitchers are told to throw at a certain velocity is both realistically incorrect as much as it is factually incorrect.

Sorry but I'm gonna have to 100% disagree with you here. I personally know that this a true thing in the majors but I'll drop it here as we both agree since it is a game things need to be manipulated in order to mirror real life.