Baseball Going Directly Through Bat??(Images Included)!

[jada855]

Has anyone else experienced this? See images. Last night is what led me to write this post. I am at the plate top of the 9th, 2-1 count with two outs and Johnathan Villar is on 1st base.

Johnathan Villar takes off too steal second base. Fast ball is down the middle of the plate. I swing to put the ball into play. I miss and Johnathan Villar is thrown out at second base and we loose the game.

In my mind I know I hit the ball or made solid contact and I am thinking there is no way I missed it! So I go into replay and zoom in and sure enough the ball goes straight through my bat.

It's really disturbing because they talked about how the ball no longer comes off the bat as a flat wall surface and now with the new ball physics it supposed to reflect the actual rounded surface of a real Baseball Bat. So why does this happen?

The image below is from several occasions through out my Franchise in which I use a Created Player Lock.

Is this issue patch related?

Current Patch 1.09

Current Difficulty

Legend

Current Sliders

Default

Hit Type

Happens with both Zone and Directional

[gman2774]

Re: Baseball Going Directly Through Bat??(Images Included)!

Yikes. Haven't seen it. I've never really looked for it tho.


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[rtwilli4]

Re: Baseball Going Directly Through Bat??(Images Included)!

Has anyone else experienced this? See images. Last night is what led me to write this post. I am at the plate top of the 9th, 2-1 count with two outs and Johnathan Villar is on 1st base.



Johnathan Villar takes off too steal second base. Fast ball is down the middle of the plate. I swing to put the ball into play. I miss and Johnathan Villar is thrown out at second base and we loose the game.



In my mind I know I hit the ball or made solid contact and I am thinking there is no way I missed it! So I go into replay and zoom in and sure enough the ball goes straight through my bat.



It's really disturbing because they talked about how the ball no longer comes off the bat as a flat wall surface and now with the new ball physics it supposed to reflect the actual rounded surface of a real Baseball Bat. So why does this happen?



The image below is from several occasions through out my Franchise in which I use a Created Player Lock.



Is this issue patch related?



Current Patch 1.09



Current Difficulty



Legend



Current Sliders



Default



Hit Type



Happens with both Zone and Directional

It happens. It also happened in 2016.

It's because the hitting (contact) part of the game is still not actually based on physics. That is to say, the reaction you get from the ball is not about the path of the bat through the zone (animation), it is about where the PCI is on the flat screen and how good your timing was.

Either your PCI placement was off or your timing was off. The combination of that plus the setting and sliders you play on and the skill level of the hitter resulted in a swing and miss.

Even if the animation shows contact, that is not the mechanic that determines the result. Similar to when base running and fielding animations have conflicts that cause a players arm to go through another's leg.

Once the ball is in the air (after contact) then real physics are used to determine flight path. The "round bat" explanation has to do with what happens to the ball after contact, not how the actual contact is made.

Others have explained it better, maybe do a search for more info.










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[Fuimus Troes]

Re: Baseball Going Directly Through Bat??(Images Included)!

It happens. It also happened in 2016.

It's because the hitting (contact) part of the game is still not actually based on physics. That is to say, the reaction you get from the ball is not about the path of the bat through the zone (animation), it is about where the PCI is on the flat screen and how good your timing was.

Either your PCI placement was off or your timing was off. The combination of that plus the setting and sliders you play on and the skill level of the hitter resulted in a swing and miss.

Even if the animation shows contact, that is not the mechanic that determines the result. Similar to when base running and fielding animations have conflicts that cause a players arm to go through another's leg.

Once the ball is in the air (after contact) then real physics are used to determine flight path. The "round bat" explanation has to do with what happens to the ball after contact, not how the actual contact is made.

Others have explained it better, maybe do a search for more info.










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Yeah, that's a good explanation. I NEVER take the visuals of a sports game (talking replays here, which I think is at issue) at face value. I compare it to old RPG's where hidden dicerolls determined things and the graphics didn't always display accurately what was going on. "Hey, my elf hit him but I don't see little red numbers floating up from his head!" type of stuff.

A few years ago people would post Madden pics of balls going through hands/defenders/whatever, it's the same stuff pretty much.

In the coming years I'm sure replays will more accurately represent the actual result, but this is a "legacy" sports gaming "problem."

[Millennium]

Re: Baseball Going Directly Through Bat??(Images Included)!

Guys -

After recording some gameplay and looking at it - this doesn't happen during gameplay. Looks to be an artifact that shows itself in replays.

[Millennium]

Re: Baseball Going Directly Through Bat??(Images Included)!

It happens. It also happened in 2016.

It's because the hitting (contact) part of the game is still not actually based on physics. That is to say, the reaction you get from the ball is not about the path of the bat through the zone (animation), it is about where the PCI is on the flat screen and how good your timing was.

Either your PCI placement was off or your timing was off. The combination of that plus the setting and sliders you play on and the skill level of the hitter resulted in a swing and miss.

Even if the animation shows contact, that is not the mechanic that determines the result. Similar to when base running and fielding animations have conflicts that cause a players arm to go through another's leg.

Once the ball is in the air (after contact) then real physics are used to determine flight path. The "round bat" explanation has to do with what happens to the ball after contact, not how the actual contact is made.

Others have explained it better, maybe do a search for more info.










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This is 100% untrue.

[rtwilli4]

Re: Baseball Going Directly Through Bat??(Images Included)!

This is 100% untrue.

Can you explain then? I have read multiple times on this forum that the input that controls contact is the PCI on a flat plane, not the path of the bat through the zone.

I could be completely wrong or maybe I mis-understood those posts... if that's the case I'd love someone to correct me. It's not helpful to just say it's untrue.


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[Millennium]

Re: Baseball Going Directly Through Bat??(Images Included)!

Can you explain then? I have read multiple times on this forum that the input that controls contact is the PCI on a flat plane, not the path of the bat through the zone.

I could be completely wrong or maybe I mis-understood those posts... if that's the case I'd love someone to correct me. It's not helpful to just say it's untrue.


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That was previous to this year. The round bat physics are new to the game this year and affect in game gameplay including bat to ball contact.

[jada855]

Re: Baseball Going Directly Through Bat??(Images Included)!

Hey Guys,

Thanks for the input. I uploaded a video of the pitch I missed which ended the game even though I was sure I made contact so it can be seen in motion. If it is something that only occurs on replay’s and not realtime. It’s definitely starting to happen in my experience a lot.

Ball Going Through Bat Video

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I also found the video from the stream where the developer (guy on the right) talks about the new bat and ball collision! They are using the replay feature in this video and the ball does not go through the bat in this replay instance. Maybe its only happens when there is a hit verses a miss like in my situation even though I was quite sure I hit the ball. I have updated to patch 1.10 trying to see if it changes anything.


Developer and Ball Collision Replay


https://<iframe width="560" height="...reen></iframe>

[Fuimus Troes]

Re: Baseball Going Directly Through Bat??(Images Included)!

Guys -

After recording some gameplay and looking at it - this doesn't happen during gameplay. Looks to be an artifact that shows itself in replays.

Yep, that's exactly the point in my post, only you said it better. Just compare it to those weird bat warps on swings in the replays -- never see that "live," but they're all over replays.

I will never expect replays on sports video games to look perfectly authentic -- there has always been, and probably always will be, some level of wonkiness that comes through because real life sports don't move at 60 fps with limited animations to draw from...

[wisdom less13]

Re: Baseball Going Directly Through Bat??(Images Included)!

Hey Guys,

Thanks for the input. I uploaded a video of the pitch I missed which ended the game even though I was sure I made contact so it can be seen in motion. If it is something that only occurs on replay’s and not realtime. It’s definitely starting to happen in my experience a lot.

Ball Going Through Bat Video

https://<iframe width="560" height="...reen></iframe>

I also found the video from the stream where the developer (guy on the right) talks about the new bat and ball collision! They are using the replay feature in this video and the ball does not go through the bat in this replay instance. Maybe its only happens when there is a hit verses a miss like in my situation even though I was quite sure I hit the ball. I have updated to patch 1.10 trying to see if it changes anything.


Developer and Ball Collision Replay


https://<iframe width="560" height="...reen></iframe>

It was several years ago that they said replays don't show exact impact. Granted, it was PS3. I just assumed it was the same...

[Bobhead]

Re: Baseball Going Directly Through Bat??(Images Included)!

Guys -

After recording some gameplay and looking at it - this doesn't happen during gameplay. Looks to be an artifact that shows itself in replays.

This. Devs explained it a few years ago. Replays don't match what actually happens.. The animations have to be re-constituted because of time vs frame-rate issues.

In English, it is because in real time a swing takes like 2 seconds, and so that mathematically only allows for 80 frames (2 X 40 fps which I think is the frame rate)... however, a replay needs way more frames than that because you can slow replays down and manipulate them. The chosen solution to that problem is "making stuff up" specifically for the replay.

Not saying the mechanics and hitting system is perfect, but you can rest assured the ball is not actually going through your bat.

[rtwilli4]

Re: Baseball Going Directly Through Bat??(Images Included)!

That was previous to this year. The round bat physics are new to the game this year and affect in game gameplay including bat to ball contact.

I know the physics are different this year. But I was hoping for an actual explanation, not just another one sentence answer establishing your dominance.

I was honestly giving an answer based on what I believed to be reliable information and then I asked for your input as I assume you are the most informed poster here.

It's a shame you don't want to take the time to actually answer the question.




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[Millennium]

Re: Baseball Going Directly Through Bat??(Images Included)!

I know the physics are different this year. But I was hoping for an actual explanation, not just another one sentence answer establishing your dominance.

I was honestly giving an answer based on what I believed to be reliable information and then I asked for your input as I assume you are the most informed poster here.

It's a shame you don't want to take the time to actually answer the question.




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Establishing my dominance? I just explained it - the round bat physics were added this year.

But since you enjoy taking pot shots, that "dominance" gets shown with a 7 day ban.

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[saintjimbo1885]

Re: Baseball Going Directly Through Bat??(Images Included)!

The ball going through the bat on replays has been talked about for years and goes back to the PS3 days!!

Here's a link to a conversation from 2013 with an input from Ramone.


http://forums.operationsports.com/fo...rough-bat.html