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  • JWDixon120
    Rookie
    • Jul 2012
    • 802

    #1

    Draft Prospects ages are still bugged..

    Does anyone know if SDS has EVER addressed this problem? If you’re unsure what I’m talking about, here’s a quick explanation.

    For quite a while now in franchise, prospects you scout can choose to not enter the draft. So, say you scout a 18 YO In 2020. If he decides not to enter the draft, he won’t be available to be selected in that years draft. However, next year he’ll either be in the draft at age 19, or hold off another year until age 20 or 21... kinda like real life.

    The problem with this is that they programmed EVERY player to have the ability. Meaning a 22 YO prospect in 2020 can go 4 years without declaring for the draft. So by the time your franchise gets to the years 2023+ a lot of the top prospects are already 24-25 Years of age.

    This is obviously very unrealistic and it’s been this way for a few years now. Is there ANY way to report this as a bug and we possible see this get patched?

    I’m not educated enough on coding to understand, but I would assume they could assign a rule set to players specific to their ages.

    For example an 18YO can wait for 4 years to be drafted if they chose too,
    19YO 3 Years
    20YO 2 Years
    21 YO 1 Year
    22 YO 0 years
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  • countryboy
    Growing pains
    • Sep 2003
    • 52767

    #2
    Re: Draft Prospects ages are still bugged..

    you can report it here

    https://theshow.sonysandiegostudio.g...d=360003007534
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    • JoseJoseph9119
      Rookie
      • Mar 2018
      • 179

      #3
      Re: Draft Prospects ages are still bugged..

      It's one of those things you have to come up with workarounds for. I just tell myself that the older prospects play in independent leagues and/or are International Free Agents. Pick a couple hitters and a couple pitchers to give an OVR boost and maybe some cosmetic adjustments and it will spice your franchise up a bit.

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      • JWDixon120
        Rookie
        • Jul 2012
        • 802

        #4
        Re: Draft Prospects ages are still bugged..

        Originally posted by countryboy


        Just sent in a report. Hopefully I hear back with some help.
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        • Jr.
          Playgirl Coverboy
          • Feb 2003
          • 19171

          #5
          Re: Draft Prospects ages are still bugged..

          The only way I've been able to curtail the ages is to turn scouting to manual for all teams and have no teams discover. Discovering adds players to the draft pool and pushes guys into other drafts so you see 25 year olds. With no one discovering, the draft pool is only large enough to fill the necessary picks

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          • countryboy
            Growing pains
            • Sep 2003
            • 52767

            #6
            Re: Draft Prospects ages are still bugged..

            I've never really paid all that much attention to it because I edit all the draft classes to real life either prospects or actual draft picks.
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            • JoseJoseph9119
              Rookie
              • Mar 2018
              • 179

              #7
              Re: Draft Prospects ages are still bugged..

              Originally posted by Jr.
              The only way I've been able to curtail the ages is to turn scouting to manual for all teams and have no teams discover. Discovering adds players to the draft pool and pushes guys into other drafts so you see 25 year olds. With no one discovering, the draft pool is only large enough to fill the necessary picks

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              How good is your typical draft pool? Seems like most of the good players I draft were discovered and not preloaded with the new season

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              • JWDixon120
                Rookie
                • Jul 2012
                • 802

                #8
                Re: Draft Prospects ages are still bugged..

                Originally posted by JoseJoseph9119
                How good is your typical draft pool? Seems like most of the good players I draft were discovered and not preloaded with the new season


                I’d like to know this as well. This seems like an interesting fix, but then again I don’t want the league to be awful in the future.
                Although right now after a 4-5 years the league is all 85+ OVR lineups.
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                • HozAndMoose
                  MVP
                  • Mar 2013
                  • 3614

                  #9
                  Re: Draft Prospects ages are still bugged..

                  I usually run with scouting off as well. Been a while since ive done any tests on it but im about to start now. Gonna sim 15-20 years with it on and off until all the current players are gone then see how things look.

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                  • Jr.
                    Playgirl Coverboy
                    • Feb 2003
                    • 19171

                    #10
                    Re: Draft Prospects ages are still bugged..

                    Originally posted by JoseJoseph9119
                    How good is your typical draft pool? Seems like most of the good players I draft were discovered and not preloaded with the new season
                    It's okay. Fewer A POT prospects, but more diverse skill sets which I like.

                    I've done this off and on for a few years. You still see some prospects that are too old, but not as bad

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                    • JWDixon120
                      Rookie
                      • Jul 2012
                      • 802

                      #11
                      Re: Draft Prospects ages are still bugged..

                      Originally posted by HozAndMoose
                      I usually run with scouting off as well. Been a while since ive done any tests on it but im about to start now. Gonna sim 15-20 years with it on and off until all the current players are gone then see how things look.


                      Sounds good!
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                      • JoseJoseph9119
                        Rookie
                        • Mar 2018
                        • 179

                        #12
                        Re: Draft Prospects ages are still bugged..

                        Originally posted by Jr.
                        It's okay. Fewer A POT prospects, but more diverse skill sets which I like.

                        I've done this off and on for a few years. You still see some prospects that are too old, but not as bad

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                        Are there more B/high C potentials instead or is it mostly low C/D guys? I've definitely noticed a difference between manual and auto scouting, so I'm gonna try this out for my next season and see how it plays out

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                        • HozAndMoose
                          MVP
                          • Mar 2013
                          • 3614

                          #13
                          Re: Draft Prospects ages are still bugged..

                          So I simmed 20 years with scouting on and off. Long story short. it really doesn't matter what you do. Its pretty trash both ways. Now looking at a single 20-year sim clearly isn't a very good sample size. But I'm not doing it multiple times so this is what I have to go with.

                          First as to the main point of this thread. In the 2040 draft, there were 193 picks. 11 of them were 25. 12 of them were 24 and 30 of them were 23. Right away about 27% of the picks are older than what I assume would be the AVG 4 year college guy at 22. The most common age was 20 with 45 picks (23%). The biggest issue is clearly the lack of 18-year-olds being drafted with just 9. Less than 25-year-olds.


                          Now here its gets a little interesting here. For the sim with no scouting there ended up being more players drafted at age 23+ than there were in the scouting sim. Only 8, 25-year-olds, but there were 20, 24-year-olds and 34 23-year-olds making up 31% of the draft. There were also less 18-year-olds with just 5. 22 ended up being the AVG age with 41 picks (21%). There were 195 picks in total.


                          Now it does appear to potentially be jus a fluke that the no scouting had less young players. In the sim with scouting, there are currently just 3 players at age 18 already on teams compared to 7 with no scouting. Stays the same for 19 (31 with scouting, 40 without) and 20-year-olds (52 with scouting, 60 no scouting). So clearly a bigger sample size would help here ( I may end up doing that for the draft since its easy to just sim a year and add up the ages).


                          Now for some of the other potential issues with both ways of doing things. No matter what happens the league as a whole gets better. In the roster I started with only 28% of players were rated 70 or higher. In both sims that number jumps up to around 40%.


                          No scouting resulted in more players at 90+. But less at 80-89 and 70-79 which IMO opinion is better. Player potentials are pretty much the same. Without scouting you get a little bit more A potentials, basically the same B, little less C, and more D.


                          So if I had to choose 1 it would be no scouting since you get slightly fewer players in the 70-89 range. Maybe doing a mix of scouting and no scouting would be a good in-between. Scout 1 year and then don't scout the next 2 or 3 years. Either way I think no matter what you do you probably wont notice much of a difference at all. If there is something else you want to know I have both sims saved.

                          And Yordan Alvarez might become the best hitter in history if you play long enough. Finished his career with 790 HR in one of the sims.

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                          • Jr.
                            Playgirl Coverboy
                            • Feb 2003
                            • 19171

                            #14
                            Re: Draft Prospects ages are still bugged..

                            Originally posted by JoseJoseph9119
                            Are there more B/high C potentials instead or is it mostly low C/D guys? I've definitely noticed a difference between manual and auto scouting, so I'm gonna try this out for my next season and see how it plays out
                            That's a good question. I'm not totally sure, but anecdotally I think it's probably more C/D guys than B/high C potentials.
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                            • Jr.
                              Playgirl Coverboy
                              • Feb 2003
                              • 19171

                              #15
                              Re: Draft Prospects ages are still bugged..

                              Originally posted by HozAndMoose
                              So I simmed 20 years with scouting on and off. Long story short. it really doesn't matter what you do. Its pretty trash both ways. Now looking at a single 20-year sim clearly isn't a very good sample size. But I'm not doing it multiple times so this is what I have to go with.

                              First as to the main point of this thread. In the 2040 draft, there were 193 picks. 11 of them were 25. 12 of them were 24 and 30 of them were 23. Right away about 27% of the picks are older than what I assume would be the AVG 4 year college guy at 22. The most common age was 20 with 45 picks (23%). The biggest issue is clearly the lack of 18-year-olds being drafted with just 9. Less than 25-year-olds.


                              Now here its gets a little interesting here. For the sim with no scouting there ended up being more players drafted at age 23+ than there were in the scouting sim. Only 8, 25-year-olds, but there were 20, 24-year-olds and 34 23-year-olds making up 31% of the draft. There were also less 18-year-olds with just 5. 22 ended up being the AVG age with 41 picks (21%). There were 195 picks in total.


                              Now it does appear to potentially be jus a fluke that the no scouting had less young players. In the sim with scouting, there are currently just 3 players at age 18 already on teams compared to 7 with no scouting. Stays the same for 19 (31 with scouting, 40 without) and 20-year-olds (52 with scouting, 60 no scouting). So clearly a bigger sample size would help here ( I may end up doing that for the draft since its easy to just sim a year and add up the ages).


                              Now for some of the other potential issues with both ways of doing things. No matter what happens the league as a whole gets better. In the roster I started with only 28% of players were rated 70 or higher. In both sims that number jumps up to around 40%.


                              No scouting resulted in more players at 90+. But less at 80-89 and 70-79 which IMO opinion is better. Player potentials are pretty much the same. Without scouting you get a little bit more A potentials, basically the same B, little less C, and more D.


                              So if I had to choose 1 it would be no scouting since you get slightly fewer players in the 70-89 range. Maybe doing a mix of scouting and no scouting would be a good in-between. Scout 1 year and then don't scout the next 2 or 3 years. Either way I think no matter what you do you probably wont notice much of a difference at all. If there is something else you want to know I have both sims saved.

                              And Yordan Alvarez might become the best hitter in history if you play long enough. Finished his career with 790 HR in one of the sims.
                              Did you turn off scouting for all 30 teams, or just one team?
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