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  • LastActionHero
    MVP
    • Feb 2009
    • 2454

    #1

    Game way too dark in HDR game mode

    I just got my ps5 and hoped maybe this would change things but no.

    I have an LG C7 Oled.

    So after having read numerous posts on reddit and what not the HDR game option on the C7 is basically ruined by LG itself after an update a few years ago [emoji2373]
    Last edited by LastActionHero; 04-08-2021, 04:18 AM.
    "When it's all set and done, reality is the best innovation."
  • PVarck31
    Moderator
    • Jan 2003
    • 16948

    #2
    Re: Washed out menu/game with HDR

    Originally posted by LastActionHero
    So all my games (Call of Duty, Tomb Raider, etc) look beautiful with HDR on but somehow The Show looks terrible. I just got my ps5 and hoped maybe this would change things but no.

    I have an LG C7 Oled.

    Is it that SDS has some strange HDR settings built in or what?

    Hoping The Show 21 looks better in HDR...
    With that TV it shouldn't look like that. But I think it's the game and not your TV. I assume you set up HDR in the system settings. There has been an HDR issue with the Show for a while. Some people with very bright TV's end up with a washed out picture. For me it works great. I have an X900F so it's gets plenty bright enough. It peaks at around 1K nits, so I think The Show has some kind of determined HDR setting that is optimal at around 1000 nits. But again, I think it's the game. There are no HDR settings so you can't change anything.

    That's really the only thing I can think of. I think the peak brightness of your TV is around 700 nits. And with being an OLED, it should give you fairly good HDR.
    Last edited by PVarck31; 03-31-2021, 04:39 AM.

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    • LastActionHero
      MVP
      • Feb 2009
      • 2454

      #3
      Washed out menu/game with HDR

      Originally posted by PVarck31
      With that TV it shouldn't look like that. But I think it's the game and not your TV. I assume you set up HDR in the system settings. There has been an HDR issue with the Show for a while. Some people with very bright TV's end up with a washed out picture. For me it works great. I have an X900F so it's gets plenty bright enough. It peaks at around 1K nits, so I think The Show has some kind of determined HDR setting that is optimal at around 1000 nits. But again, I think it's the game. There are no HDR settings so you can't change anything.

      That's really the only thing I can think of. I think the peak brightness of your TV is around 700 nits. And with being an OLED, it should give you fairly good HDR.

      Yeah you might be right. The C7 peaks at around 700 indeed. The first HDR year for The Show they had a slider where you could adjust the HDR effect which was pretty cool but I didn’t have the TV I have now so no idea if that would’ve worked.

      Having said that I just turned off the HDR checker box in the PS5 system menu as a whole and everything looks better now. So even the Playstation menu and CoD looked dark and dull with HDR on.

      Is it something I have to change in my game mode HDR settings? I mean this tv doesn’t hit 1000 nits but I don’t think it should look this bad...

      In standard mode it looks great but the lag is too high then.
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      • Houston
        MVP
        • May 2003
        • 4734

        #4
        Re: Washed out menu/game with HDR

        Make sure HDR in tv settings are off.

        You should be able to use HDR on the game I have been and love it on my QLED.

        Then calibrate hdr settings on ps5 menu.

        With mlb the show game settings under audio video turn in HDR there and now we can run highest resolution now.

        If all fails I highly suggest looking up your model tv and a guy named DARKO on YouTube for calibration settings.

        He does it for movie and games.
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        • LastActionHero
          MVP
          • Feb 2009
          • 2454

          #5
          Washed out menu/game with HDR

          Originally posted by Houston
          Make sure HDR in tv settings are off.

          You should be able to use HDR on the game I have been and love it on my QLED.

          Then calibrate hdr settings on ps5 menu.

          With mlb the show game settings under audio video turn in HDR there and now we can run highest resolution now.

          If all fails I highly suggest looking up your model tv and a guy named DARKO on YouTube for calibration settings.

          He does it for movie and games.

          Hmmm I’m pretty sure HDR settings are off when I select game mode.

          I’ll make a picture of the difference in colour en brightness of the PS5 home menu when HDR is on or off from the system menu.

          Thanks for thinking along.
          "When it's all set and done, reality is the best innovation."

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          • TheWarmWind
            MVP
            • Apr 2015
            • 2622

            #6
            Re: Washed out menu/game with HDR

            While it's gotten a lot better, especially in the last year, HDR is still a mess of a standard, and inconsistent results between games/equipment is just a part of the process. Until all developers and TV manufacturers get on the same page, stuff like this is going to happen.

            It does sound like a data transfer issue, which could potentially be solved with tv or PlayStation settings, or ensuring you have the right cable (HDMI 2.1).

            However it's just as likely it's just one of those random quirks. HDR has still yet to reach proper maturation.

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            • PVarck31
              Moderator
              • Jan 2003
              • 16948

              #7
              Re: Washed out menu/game with HDR

              Originally posted by TheWarmWind
              While it's gotten a lot better, especially in the last year, HDR is still a mess of a standard, and inconsistent results between games/equipment is just a part of the process. Until all developers and TV manufacturers get on the same page, stuff like this is going to happen.

              It does sound like a data transfer issue, which could potentially be solved with tv or PlayStation settings, or ensuring you have the right cable (HDMI 2.1).

              However it's just as likely it's just one of those random quirks. HDR has still yet to reach proper maturation.

              Sent from my Pixel 3 using Operation Sports mobile app
              And another problem I have is the advertisement of HDR on crappy Walmart TV's. When we all know none of them get bright enough for real HDR.

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              • TheBleedingRed21
                Game Dev
                • Oct 2010
                • 5067

                #8
                Re: Washed out menu/game with HDR

                My Sony had this issue back when they first came out with HDR and had the slider..

                Since they removed it and made it universal. Mine is stunning but people with better TVs have had this issue.

                I agree it’s the game and given it’s tuned one for all, kind of hit or miss whether it looks good with your exact set. They need to add the slider back but make sure it’s working properly.
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                • elfdutch
                  Rookie
                  • Oct 2008
                  • 323

                  #9
                  Re: Washed out menu/game with HDR

                  I have a samsung Qled which can handle very very bright colors.

                  To be honest, i did notice that it was not ok when first playing '20 on the ps5.
                  It turned out i had changed something in the ps5 hdr settings, i think the part about rgb.

                  I changed everything to automatic, and it looks gorgeous now.
                  On my tv i'm in game mode with HDR enabled.

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                  • LastActionHero
                    MVP
                    • Feb 2009
                    • 2454

                    #10
                    Re: Washed out menu/game with HDR

                    Originally posted by elfdutch
                    I have a samsung Qled which can handle very very bright colors.

                    To be honest, i did notice that it was not ok when first playing '20 on the ps5.
                    It turned out i had changed something in the ps5 hdr settings, i think the part about rgb.

                    I changed everything to automatic, and it looks gorgeous now.
                    On my tv i'm in game mode with HDR enabled.

                    Hmmm intersting I also found this online:



                    I’m going to dive in the RGB options.
                    "When it's all set and done, reality is the best innovation."

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                    • TheWarmWind
                      MVP
                      • Apr 2015
                      • 2622

                      #11
                      Re: Washed out menu/game with HDR

                      Originally posted by LastActionHero
                      Hmmm intersting I also found this online:



                      I’m going to dive in the RGB options.
                      yes this would cause the problem. Widows HDR often has the same issue, usually with compressed colour data vs full RGB.

                      Some things to keep in mind: What resolution are you at? If you're playing at 4K, the PS4 might not be able to output 4k with uncompressed colour data. HDR tends to hate colour compression. reducing the resolution may be your only option in order to output full colour data.

                      This is also why I mentioned making sure you have the right cable. Earlier HDMI cables can't transfer as much data, and may force states like colour compression in order to function.

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                      • LastActionHero
                        MVP
                        • Feb 2009
                        • 2454

                        #12
                        Re: Washed out menu/game with HDR

                        Originally posted by TheWarmWind
                        yes this would cause the problem. Widows HDR often has the same issue, usually with compressed colour data vs full RGB.

                        Some things to keep in mind: What resolution are you at? If you're playing at 4K, the PS4 might not be able to output 4k with uncompressed colour data. HDR tends to hate colour compression. reducing the resolution may be your only option in order to output full colour data.

                        This is also why I mentioned making sure you have the right cable. Earlier HDMI cables can't transfer as much data, and may force states like colour compression in order to function.

                        I play on the PS5 in 4k with HDMI 2.1 cable.
                        "When it's all set and done, reality is the best innovation."

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                        • LastActionHero
                          MVP
                          • Feb 2009
                          • 2454

                          #13
                          Washed out menu/game with HDR

                          Ok I’ve tried everything, even hdmi ultra hd deep colour is activited for the PS5 input in the tv.

                          I give up, it just looks way better with HDR off.

                          It’s just stupid that this is such an advertised feature but there’s just no proper standard.
                          If I had a pretty old tv okay but if the LG C7 can’t even manage this correctly with games I give up.
                          "When it's all set and done, reality is the best innovation."

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                          • LastActionHero
                            MVP
                            • Feb 2009
                            • 2454

                            #14
                            Game way too dark in HDR game mode

                            So after having read numerous posts on reddit and what not the HDR game option on the C7 is basically ruined by LG itself after an update a few years ago [emoji2373]

                            There is a “workaround” by changing the name of the PS5 HDMI port on the TV to PC which brings back the great colours and contrast that you would expect from HDR but you get massive banding in the sky:



                            Apparently the new HDMI 2.1 port fixes this but the C7 only has 2.0. So basically a high end tv of $1500 of 3 years old is already outdated [emoji2373]
                            Last edited by LastActionHero; 04-08-2021, 04:21 AM.
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                            • elfdutch
                              Rookie
                              • Oct 2008
                              • 323

                              #15
                              Re: Game way too dark in HDR game mode

                              Originally posted by LastActionHero
                              So after having read numerous posts on reddit and what not the HDR game option on the C7 is basically ruined by LG itself after an update a few years ago [emoji2373]

                              There is a “workaround” by changing the name of the PS5 HDMI port on the TV to PC which brings back the great colours and contrast that you would expect from HDR but you get massive banding in the sky:



                              Apparently the new HDMI 2.1 port fixes this but the C7 only has 2.0. So basically a high end tv of $1500 of 3 years old is already outdated [emoji2373]
                              Great that you were able to solve it but it really suck that you need a workaround.
                              I sometimes think they do it on purpose, forcing you to buy a new one.

                              Same with app support, my mlb tv app recently disappeared from my older led tv and my older apple tv.
                              Still can watch it in the living room, but in my bedroom no longer possible unless i buy a new apple tv or some other device.
                              They should really support apps for longer periods.

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