Is the slide step overdone?

[tessl]

I use manage mode. It's great for seeing exactly how the game is programmed without no user input.

They introduced balls curving foul and it was overdone. 30 balls a game curved foul.

They introduced chased pitches and it was overdone. 10 wild pitches per game.

Now we have the slide step. I can't find a statistical analysis of how often MLB pitchers use the slide step but I suspect once again they have overdone it. One reason it isn't popular with a lot of pitchers is it reduces velocity and control. Did they take that into account? Of course not.

They need to think this stuff through before they put it in the game. Now we are stuck with it until they decide to fix it - if they ever do.

[forme95]

Re: Is the slide step overdone?

I use manage mode. It's great for seeing exactly how the game is programmed without no user input.

They introduced balls curving foul and it was overdone. 30 balls a game curved foul.

They introduced chased pitches and it was overdone. 10 wild pitches per game.

Now we have the slide step. I can't find a statistical analysis of how often MLB pitchers use the slide step but I suspect once again they have overdone it. One reason it isn't popular with a lot of pitchers is it reduces velocity and control. Did they take that into account? Of course not.

They need to think this stuff through before they put it in the game. Now we are stuck with it until they decide to fix it - if they ever do.

Now I could argue with that about the pitchout. They even say it in commentary that no one uses the pitch out anymore. They just throw a high outside fastball.

The slide step however, is done well in my opinion. Im also glad that my pitchers can now and will use it. In the past, only the cpu team would use it. Just like the extra step leadoff. You cant give your runner the extra step, but the cpu can does use it. I think they even did a good job of velo and command of it. I still get plenty of strike calls from the slide step.

[forme95]

Re: Is the slide step overdone?

Just to add. Remember MLBTS baseball is going off of baseball close to 10+ years ago logic. Complete games, pitchout, hit and run, bunting, small ball, etc

[Madden08PCgmr]

Re: Is the slide step overdone?

I would prefer to play the game with manager mode since I can't find a balance between hitting and pitching. But its just not done well enough. More and more, I wonder if OOTP is the way I should be gaming..

.. as for the slidestep; the best base-stealers seem to get crazy jumps. So I think it balances out, personally. But I certainly understand the complaint.

[forme95]

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[countryboy]

Re: Is the slide step overdone?

No I don't think its overdone.

I'll see it used, but its not used every single pitch with a man on base, and times not used at all.

[DonkeyJote]

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I think the CPU maybe uses it a little too much, but nothing crazy. I don't think left handed pitchers should be using it much at all. Righties will use it occasionally (and the CPU really only starts doing it a lot, in my experience, if you've attempted multiple steals already). I do think the CPU needs to be less predictable about it. As is, the CPU will only ever slide step or pitch out in early counts (0-0, 0-1, 1-0, 1-1). Any other count, they will never worry about the runner again aside from maybe a pickoff. And there needs to be more slidestep animations. Pitchers don't completely abandon their motion and arm angle when there's a runner on base.

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[tinpanalley]

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Honestly, I've never done it in the game, I didn't know it existed before it ended up in The Show, and don't understand what it even is and I've been watching baseball for about 30 years. So this is all lost on me.

[DonkeyJote]

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Honestly, I've never done it in the game, I didn't know it existed before it ended up in The Show, and don't understand what it even is. So this is all lost on me.

If you hold LT with your pitcher in the stretch while you're using whatever pitching input method you use, your pitcher will use slide step. Instead of doing their normal leg kick and delivery, they'll do a much quicker step and release towards home. This is done to make the overall delivery from initial motion to the ball hitting the catcher's mitt quicker when the pitcher is concerned about a possible steal.

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[AUTiger1]

Re: Is the slide step overdone?

Yes, side steps, pitch outs and pick offs are way too many and the sliders don't help with it. Sadly this has been one of the biggest issues with The Show for years. For someone like me that always builds a speed team that steals a lot of bases nothing is more frustrating than getting picked off 1st where my runner just stands there forever before he finally reacts to the pickoff throw and it being the 3rd or 4th or 5th pickoff throw in a row. That's so beyond realistic. Then the whole throwing a pitch out on a 1-0 or 2-0 count would never happen in real life but routinely happens in The Show.

[Madden08PCgmr]

Re: Is the slide step overdone?

I think the CPU maybe uses it a little too much, but nothing crazy. I don't think left handed pitchers should be using it much at all. Righties will use it occasionally (and the CPU really only starts doing it a lot, in my experience, if you've attempted multiple steals already). I do think the CPU needs to be less predictable about it. As is, the CPU will only ever slide step or pitch out in early counts (0-0, 0-1, 1-0, 1-1). Any other count, they will never worry about the runner again aside from maybe a pickoff. And there needs to be more slidestep animations. Pitchers don't completely abandon their motion and arm angle when there's a runner on base.

Had a moment of pitchout insanity the other day.

Had runners on 2nd and 3rd and the pitcher pitched out twice. Like I'm gonna steal home? And as I'm sure one would guess.. 2-0 fastball hit off the facade of the upper deck.

Only time I've seen this. But just the height of bad AI.

[DonkeyJote]

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Yes, side steps, pitch outs and pick offs are way too many and the sliders don't help with it. Sadly this has been one of the biggest issues with The Show for years. For someone like me that always builds a speed team that steals a lot of bases nothing is more frustrating than getting picked off 1st where my runner just stands there forever before he finally reacts to the pickoff throw and it being the 3rd or 4th or 5th pickoff throw in a row. That's so beyond realistic. Then the whole throwing a pitch out on a 1-0 or 2-0 count would never happen in real life but routinely happens in The Show.

Don't take extra leads. You don't need to steal bases effectively. In fact, it hurts as you'll get picked off and the CPU will slide step and pitch out more. Especially off second. An extra step off 2B with a left handed hitter up is almost a guaranteed out if they throw a pickoff.

If there's a situation where the fielder isn't holding the bag, take an extra step (but just one, two and the CPU will throw over every time, even with no one covering).

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[AUTiger1]

Re: Is the slide step overdone?

Don't take extra leads. You don't need to steal bases effectively. In fact, it hurts as you'll get picked off and the CPU will slide step and pitch out more. Especially off second. An extra step off 2B with a left handed hitter up is almost a guaranteed out if they throw a pickoff.

If there's a situation where the fielder isn't holding the bag, take an extra step (but just one, two and the CPU will throw over every time, even with no one covering).

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The 1 step off (which is what I do, not 2) is most times the difference between safe and out for me. I have NEVER successfully stolen a base without the 1 step off. And yeah, I know which counts to run on. But the whole thing that was explained in the other thread about how to preload the steal thing doesn't apply to me because I play with classic baserunning. I could never learn and adapt to the default analog baserunning.

[GoDucks1224]

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I mean. When I have a guy over 65 speed on first, I swear it seems like over 50% of the time the first two pitches of every AB are thrown with a slide step. A lot of them are pitch outs. The fact that they have commentary specifically referencing that no one uses pitch outs anymore should tell you something about those. I frequently have 2-0 counts with runners on base and just as frequently earn a walk, or hit a homer in those AB’s.

[DonkeyJote]

Re: Is the slide step overdone?

The 1 step off (which is what I do, not 2) is most times the difference between safe and out for me. I have NEVER successfully stolen a base without the 1 step off. And yeah, I know which counts to run on. But the whole thing that was explained in the other thread about how to preload the steal thing doesn't apply to me because I play with classic baserunning. I could never learn and adapt to the default analog baserunning.

Works with classic baserunning too. Press B/LT at the same time (or O/L1 on Playstation). Just like it says under the runner window Just went and tried it, I was 16/20 running on Verlander/Maldonado with Acuña without a lead with classic baserunning. I was also 16 for 20 taking a lead (but I was also picked off twice, which counts as a caught stealing, so I was really 16 for 22). You get worse jumps with a lead with added risk of getting picked off (and the CPU will throw over more if you run a lot, which makes it even riskier in an actual game).

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