GIDP Issues

[DallasRocks]

Anyone else hit into a ridiculous amount of double plays?! I played a whole season and at the end hit into 40 more than the next team! Season 2 no different thus far. Typical inning is hit, hit, GIDP, out, inning over. Never fails, feels so scripted at times. Yes I know don’t swing at low pitches with men on but most times it’s ripped right at infielders. Anyways just venting and wanted to see if I’m alone or not

[reyes the roof]

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I do too, I’m about to start playing around with sliders. It’s not that I feel I hit too many ground balls, it just seems like they’re too easy to turn. I can live with a hard hit ball right at someone, it’s the ones where the ball is hit to someone’s side and should be a slower developing play that they end up turning flawlessly that irritate me

[countryboy]

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I don't remember where I ranked in GIDP after my first season. I believe I mentioned it on here because someone asked, but I haven't searched for that post.

I'm at the All-Star Break in my second season. I've hit into 63 double plays in 97 games (0.649 per game) which ranks 27th worst in the majors. I don't know if the game counts bad baserunning as hit into GIDP, such as thinking a ball is going to land in the gap, or over a fielders head only for it to be caught and me be doubled off. If so, I know I could probably subtract 5-7 of those GIDP, which would then put me at 58 which would be mid-pack.

The best is the Braves at 40 while the worst is Orioles and Giants both at 67. The average is just over 57/58 depending on how you want to round the number, so I'm not astronomically above the league average.

This is playing every pitch of every game with zone hitting for reference

[bryanm1982]

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I don't remember where I ranked in GIDP after my first season. I believe I mentioned it on here because someone asked, but I haven't searched for that post.

I'm at the All-Star Break in my second season. I've hit into 63 double plays in 97 games (0.649 per game) which ranks 27th worst in the majors. I don't know if the game counts bad baserunning as hit into GIDP, such as thinking a ball is going to land in the gap, or over a fielders head only for it to be caught and me be doubled off. If so, I know I could probably subtract 5-7 of those GIDP, which would then put me at 58 which would be mid-pack.

The best is the Braves at 40 while the worst is Orioles and Giants both at 67. The average is just over 57/58 depending on how you want to round the number, so I'm not astronomically above the league average.

This is playing every pitch of every game with zone hitting for reference

I play with our sliders and We have infield arm strength at 0. I am averaging 0.59 per game after 83 games played.

I know in the game’s boxscore they will say how many GIDP there are and I know they don’t count line outs or times getting doubled off. So I don’t think they would count them in the stats.


Off topic, I know one glitch with scoring and I know it’s been like this for years is the rare case of the runner from first base runs on the play and you ground out; if the ball is hit close enough to 2nd they can get the runner out on the force, they’ll count it as a caught stealing.

[Detroit Tigers]

GIDP Issues

If you want to avoid double-plays you have to lay off pitches that will induce them, either by attacking the gap on the right side or hitting something to the outfield.

Don’t mean to be captain obvious but if this thread isn’t about the game being scripted then how else would you expect it to work?

The biggest problem (yes, biggest, I’m not choosing my words lightly here) a lot of guys have with this game is that they try to play in a constant state of not-quite-committed: if you want to avoid GIDPs you have to be fully committed to avoiding them. Say “No double play!” out loud when the AB starts if it helps, and don’t swing at anything in the bottom third of the zone at all if it helps. Take the backwards K if it helps, it’s clearly the preferable result. Like, DUH.

If you can’t avoid swinging at a low pitch, make sure you’re starting your swing early enough to get it over the infield.

Again, if this thread isn’t about comeback code then there’s really nothing else to say about GIDP: do better, simple as.

NOTE: Please read no condescension or pretension here, I currently lead the league in GIDP, so no you’re not alone, but there’s no secret to it, I can promise you that. You just gotta, ya know, not hit into as many DPs.

Cheers & good luck to all reading.

[bcruise]

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If you want to avoid double-plays you have to lay off pitches that will induce them, either by attacking the gap on the right side or hitting something to the outfield.

Don’t mean to be captain obvious but if this thread isn’t about the game being scripted then how else would you expect it to work?

The biggest problem a lot of guys have with this game is they try to play in a constant state of not-quite-committed: if you want to avoid GIDPs you have to be fully committed to avoiding them. Say “No double play!” out loud when the AB starts and don’t swing at anything in the bottom third of the zone. Take the backwards K if necessary, it’s clearly the preferable result.

If you can’t avoid swinging at a low pitch, make sure you’re starting your swing early enough to get it over the infield.

Again, if this thread isn’t about comeback code nonsense then there’s really nothing else to say about GIDP. Do better. Simple as.

NOTE: Please read no condescension or pretension here, I lead the league in GIDP so no you’re not alone; but there’s no secret to it, you just gotta, ya know, not hit into as many DPs.

The thing I mainly tell myself is that I'm not going to GIDP with less than two strikes - and usually my ahead count-even count approach to hitting (sitting on a spot with the PCI and trying to only swing at pitches that meet it) allows that to play out. It doesn't mean that I never GIDP with less than two strikes - there's just less chance of me hitting a fast grounder right at an infielder that way. Unexpected offspeed pitches that I misread and get out in front of are usually the culprits when it's this kind of DP. And if it does happen in this situation it's probably a mistake on my part.

On two strikes things change...sometimes. Depending on how I'm being pitched and the game situation I might take a called strike 3 that just clips the bottom of the zone hoping it's a ball, or I might swing at that pitch and chop into a 2-ball. There's also a better chance on two strikes of me just making poor PCI contact while protecting the plate, which can also lead to an easy double play.

I agree that the user's hitting approach is much more important to the frequency of double plays (limiting them) than any other factor.

[Baseball Purist]

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This is a legacy issue in my opinion. I've always been near the worst in the league, and this year in my franchise (now in September), I'm the worst by over 50. Playing on default legend with zone hitting. I also lead the league in BB so I don't think its necessarily my eye or swinging at low bad stuff. I square up a lot of balls down the middle that still result in DP's at a higher percentage than I probably should.

I believe the biggest culprit is that in these situations balls are hit a little too well/hard to infielders giving the baserunner (regardless of speed) no chance to beat the throw to first.

[forme95]

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Its a programming issue. Its always been that way. Slider sets dont matter for this. Default doesnt matter. Its just a hard coded thing. But, if you cant say things like that, then...... "thats baseball"

[countryboy]

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For those that are leading (worst in the league) in GIDP by a large margin, are you playing every game, simming/quick manage every game, or a mixture of the two?

[JoshC1977]

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I'm at the All-Star Break in my second season. I've hit into 63 double plays in 97 games (0.649 per game) which ranks 27th worst in the majors.
The best is the Braves at 40 while the worst is Orioles and Giants both at 67. The average is just over 57/58 depending on how you want to round the number, so I'm not astronomically above the league average.

Just for context, 0.68 is the 2022 real-life major league average (range of 0.47 to 0.90). Where you are at 0.65 would likely put you in the top 10 BEST compared to real life.

I honestly don't really worry too much about my team's ranking there because, a) it doesn't mean anything and b) the sim stats are low. I check my stats maybe once every 50 games and use them as a tool to gauge how I am personally performing, but I don't get too bent about them.

GIDP are also a function of other areas, like how many baserunners you have on-base and also how frequently you strike out. I'm actually performing worse in those areas this year using a very weak offensive squad but have seen my GIDP numbers be better than years before.

[Baseball Purist]

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For those that are leading (worst in the league) in GIDP by a large margin, are you playing every game, simming/quick manage every game, or a mixture of the two?

Playing every game with the Braves.

[Jolly Roger]

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I do alright with double plays, so here's my 2 cents. The AI really does a good job of trying to get you to hit into a DP. They throw a lot of balls down in the zone and down outside the zone in DP situations. I make a point to lay off these. It often gets me into good hitters counts where they either throw me something up or walk me. I also will send the runner sometimes on 3-ball counts with less than 2 outs if they're fast and my batter has good vision. That might account for a small reduction in DPs.

Now, are there more DPs than there should realistically be on balls hit in the upper or middle part of the zone? I don't know. Do I sometimes hit into a laser ground ball of a DP on a pitch middle-middle? Sure. But all I can say is that laying off the low pitches has always worked OK for me. I always seem to be in the bottom half of the league in DPs, but I attribute that to lack of discipline on my part.

[DallasRocks]

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This is a legacy issue in my opinion. I've always been near the worst in the league, and this year in my franchise (now in September), I'm the worst by over 50. Playing on default legend with zone hitting. I also lead the league in BB so I don't think its necessarily my eye or swinging at low bad stuff. I square up a lot of balls down the middle that still result in DP's at a higher percentage than I probably should.

I believe the biggest culprit is that in these situations balls are hit a little too well/hard to infielders giving the baserunner (regardless of speed) no chance to beat the throw to first.

Thanks for the response, that’s what I was wondering if it was just me or not and clearly not. Some people defend the game like they made it, great game but has flaws like bullpen logic for years. The “do” better comment by someone before you made my chuckle, same person who probably yells “good eye” after an obvious ball.

[countryboy]

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Thanks for the response, that’s what I was wondering if it was just me or not and clearly not. Some people defend the game like they made it, great game but has flaws like bullpen logic for years. The “do” better comment by someone before you made my chuckle, same person who probably yells “good eye” after an obvious ball.

So you were just looking for validation of your own opinion and not actually wanting to discuss the topic. Got it.

[jcar0725]

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People always looking to blame the game when it doesn't go your way. The game tries to get you to GIDP and you oblige it, and it means the game is broken?

I've even seen the game bring in sinker ballers to try to get me to GIDP'S late in games.

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