Update ratings & move sets???

[L. BuЯNa]

I hope there's an update regarding ratings of some fighters. Some ratings are off and inaccurate, definitely holes in the rating system. Or even added moves for fighters to differentiate them from others who has similar striking and grappling style.

Here are my ideas and suggestions regarding ratings and added moves. You might agree or disagree, open for discussion.

[]MOVES SET[]

Certain moves needs to be added or taken away from certain fighters. Alot of fighters with similar styles fight the same. And we need individuality to have a more realistic feel to it and adds variety to the game.

Frank Mir has a Muy-Thai striking style but he also has the Ducking Hooks from the Boxing style.

Wanderlei Silva also has Muy-Thai base but should have Ducking Hooks aswell. Hes known for devastating KO power with his hands. Ducking hooks would be a perfect fit. He loves throwing barrage of hooks against his opponent.

Wanderlei Silva
Add: Ducking Hooks & Lunging Hooks (Boxing)
Remove: Flying Knee

H. Alexander
Add: Clinch Range Uppercuts (Boxing) & Uppercuts from Single Collar Tie
Remove: Flying Knee

Gabriel Gonzaga
James Irvin
Add: Superman Punch (K. Boxing)
Remove: Flying Knee

Rich Franklin
Add: Head Kick with strong leg (à la J. Koscheck, R. Evans) - He's a Southpaw and usually does his high kicks with his left leg. But there isn't a southpaw stance in the game so the right leg will do.

Nate Marquardt
Add: Head Kicks & Flying Knee

BJ Penn
Add: Flying Knee

Dan Henderson
Add: Spinning Backhand (Kick Boxing)

Anderson Silva
Add: Kick counter punch (à la Forrest Griffin)
Major Transition from full mount defense (Judo) - where you hook the opponent's arm with your leg transition

Lyoto Machida
Add: Clinch range Dodge Knee to the body (Muy-Thai)

Drop to sidecontrol Takedown (Wrestling)


Horizontal Elbows (Muy-Thai) ground striking instead of Hammerfists

[]SIGNATURE MOVES[]

Out of all the fighters Lyoto Machida needs a Signature Move. Hes a unique fighter in real-life but in the game seems basic and plain. He needs more variety in his arsenal. Maybe a counter attack or a Karate kick and a takedown slam.

He needs a move that emphasize his elusive counter striking.

Punch:
-Counter Punch Straight Punch


Kick:
-Combination Karate Kick - two kicks executed in succession by both feet.


Takedowns:
BJJ has limited takedowns (pull to open guard only). Machida has a signature Foot Sweep which he uses on occasion against his opponents.

Foot Sweep - it is commonly used in Karate. Similar to the Leg Trip from Judo but the tripping leg is placed behind the opponent's foot instead of in between the legs.


Alot of BJJ fighters uses the foot sweep takedown. They should add this move to all fighters that has BJJ since they only have one takedown move.

[]DISCIPLINE CHANGE[]

Nate Marquardt: Boxing -> Kick Boxing
Ben Saunders: Kick Boxing -> Muy-Thai
Yushin Okami: Boxing -> Kick Boxing
Cheick Kongo: Kick Boxing -> Muy-Thai

[]RATINGS[]

I noticed some fighters are underrated in some aspect of their ratings. For example Wanderlei Silva's Standing Strikes Offense is a 71 which is way too low for him. He is known for his devasting KO power with his hands. I would raise that anywhere from 85-90.

Wanderlei Silva
Standing Strikes Offense: 71 ^ 85-90

Lyoto Machida
Standing Striking Offense: 53 ^ 65-70 (Not alot of power behind those punches but highly effective pinpoint accuracy striking and has KOd 2 undefeated fighters recently)
Takedown Offense: 62 ^ 75-80
(Trains in Sumo, has good takedowns)
Takedown Defense: 74 ^ 80-85
(Lyoto has faught top elite wrestlers and no one seem to be able to take him down)

Shogun Rua
SSOff: 57 ^ 70-75
SSDef: 50 ^ 80 (why so low he hasn't been KOd)

Dan Henderson
SSDef: 60 ^ 80-85 (hard chin never been KOd)

Chuck Liddell
SSOff: 82 ^ 85-90
SSDef: 80 v 60-70 (good counter striker but been knockdown or KOd in his last 5 fights)

Anderson Silva
SubOff: 75 ^ 80-85

Brandon Vera
SSOfff: 56 ^ 60-65
SubOff: 59 ^ 70-75

Nate Marquardt
Standing Kicks Offense: 52 ^ 70-75

James Irvin
SSOff: 72 ^ 75-80

W. Gouveia
SSOff: 66^70-75
SubOff: 92
SubDef: 87 (sub game seems overrated but he do have heavy hands)

Joe Lauzon
SSOff: 55 ^ 65-70

Some Fighters have an overrated Standing Strikes Offense. Sean Sherk for example has a SSOff rating of 81 now I don't think I've ever seen Sherk knockdown or KO anybody in his fights.

Sean Sherk
SSOff: 81 v 65

BJ Penn
SSOff: 92 v 80-85
SubOff: 83 ^ 90

Michael Bisping
SSOff: 85 v 70-75
Standing Kicks Offense: 62 ^ 70-75

J. Koscheck
SSOff: 85 v 70-75
SSDef: 85 v 60-65 (His chin has been tested and exploited, I don't understand why its so high)

Rich Clementi
SSOff: 85 (WOW) v 60-65
Submission Offense: 63 ^ 75-80

Tyson Griffin
SSOff: 82 v 65-70

OVERRATED:

Frank Mir 91 (85-88) hes a monster in the game
Rashad Evans 93 (high 80s at most a 90) Hes not on par with Machida & A. Silva
Kenny Florian 92 (high 80s at most a 90)
Sean Sherk 91 (high 80s)
Tyson Griffin 90 (high 80s)
Matt Serra 89 (common I know he beat GSP but an 89 is too high for him, I would say around 80-85)
Ben Saunders 85 (low 80s)
Antoni Hardonk 84 (70s)
Justin McCully 81 (70s)

UNDERRATED:

Mirko CroCop (83) and Keith Jardine (79) needs a rating boost . I mean Anthony Hardonk has an 84 rating who is a lower tier fighter compared to those two.

Shogun 87 (atleast a 90)
Keith Jardine 79 (atleast an 85)
Mirko CroCop 83 (high 80s)
Brandon Vera 84 (high 80s)
Mike Swick 83 (atleast an 85) Top contender at the welterweight condition.
Stephen Bonnar 80 (85 the most)
Joe Lauzon 82 (atleast an 85) underrated SSOff and ground striking. Hes a GnP type fighter with good subs.

And also might not be fix from the update but maybe in the next installment but UFC should include a Southpaw Stance for fighters who are lefty, Anderson Silva, Kenny Florian, Lyoto Machida, Rich Franklin, Diego Sanchez, Spencer Fisher to name a few. Maybe even signature stances would be nice.

[Dcooks]

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All great ideas, i agree 100% with all your points. hopefully they will make a patch or upgrade so these things can be implemented into this already great game.

[L. BuЯNa]

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Thanks

I also noticed Chuck Liddell's Standing Strikes Defense is an 80 which I think is overrated. Now Chuck's been Knockdown or KO in his last 5 fights.

I think it should be reduce anywhere from 60-70.

[L. BuЯNa]

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Fighters that I think that are overrated:

Frank Mir 91 (85-88) hes a monster in the game
Rashad Evans 93 (high 80s at most a 90) Hes not on par with Machida & A. Silva
Kenny Florian 92 (high 80s at most a 90)
Sean Sherk 91 (high 80s)
Tyson Griffin 90 (high 80s)
(Sherk & Griffin has an overrated standing striking offense plus both has lost to Frankie Edgar who has an 87)
Matt Serra 89 (common I know he beat GSP but an 89 is too high for him, I would say around 80-85)
Cheick Kongo 87 (low 80s)
Antoni Hardonk 84 (70s)
Justin McCully 81 (70s)

Fighters that are underrated:

Shogun 87 (atleast a 90) underrated standing strikes offense and ground striking
Keith Jardine 79 (atleast an 85)
Brandon Vera 84 (high 80s)
Stephen Bonnar 80 (85 the most)
Joe Lauzon 82 (atleast an 85) underrated offensive strikes and ground striking

[Pappy Knuckles]

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You dropped some good ideas in this post. I was actually talking about some of this stuff with a buddy earlier. Having several different variations of each style would add a ton to the gameplay.

You're right on the money about certain moves needing to be added and taken away from certain fighters. The foundation is there, I really hope they address some of this stuff next year.

[L. BuЯNa]

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Certain moves needs to be added or taken away from certain fighters. Alot of fighters with similar styles fight the same. And we need individuality to have a more realistic feel to it and adds variety to the game.


For example Heavyweights with Muy-Thai like Frank Mir and G. Gonzaga doesn't seem right with a flying knee. Only exception is Brandon Vera.

[L. BuЯNa]

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I see alot of Muy-Thai fighters throwing Superman punches. I think it originated from Muy-Thai. And I could of sworn I seen Anderson Silva throw a spinning backhand on somebody.

[Luck911]

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Fighters that I think that are overrated:

Frank Mir 91 (85-88) hes a monster in the game
Rashad Evans 93

The rating are fine in most case except for some small like wanderlei silva standing striking but overall he fights like he should so it is not a big probelm.

You don't seem to looking at overall body of work and in some case you are going agianst own theory.You said Evans should be rated lower than Machida because he beat him.Yet you call the Frank Mir overrated and should be rated lower.

Frank Mir beat Brock Lensar and Nogueria last year,Frank Mir was also the heavy weight champ and you want him to be rated the same or lower than people he beat.

Until Machida beat Evans didn't have a loss he beat griffin,bonner,lidell, bisping very good fighters and machida only had two wins in the ufc agianst legit impressive win thiago and ortiz.No way could have ranked machida higher at that point.

Also if rua beats machida and evans beats rampage do you rank higher.What if forrest griffin comes out and knocks out Silva in the first round does that mean griffin is better than Silva.Your whole body of work goes into rating not just one fight.

If they make a change in ratings it should happen after 3 fights or 4 months for an actually trend to take place.I don't agree with alot of stuff you said Bonner is underrated but he got his butt handed to him by a "rookie" Jon Jones,Keith Jardine has a pattern of losing every other fight,etc..

I am way more comfortable with gamemakers rating especially with them knowing what numbers mean and resources to check out every fighter than your almost abritrary rankings based off gut feelings.

[Gotmadskillzson]

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Machida a 95 ??????????? Hell no. 92 is perfect for him.

[allBthere]

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overall can be deceptive. say rashad has ground grapple offense of 85 and machida has 70 - that could give shad the overall edge in points, even though machida is way faster and has lightning kicks, etc... you get the point.

moves:
take away all spinning back kicks and redo the animation and give it to only GSP and others who actually use the technique.

Give multiple animations per style per move. Slightly different animations would go along way, and make accuracy worse. Also make moves a bit more sloppy at times.

Add automated dodge instead of blocking to high strike defense rated fighters. So rashad can slip some punches when you press block instead of always putting his hands up. Machida as well. it makes sense to allow more varied automated moves since the game does this with distance already. Have your ratings affect some of the automation.

one thing that was missed by the OP was GSP needs the thai clinch since he uses it and roughed up fitch pretty bad with it.

[L. BuЯNa]

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Machida a 95 ??????????? Hell no. 92 is perfect for him.

I might of went overboard with a 95 but if Rashad is a 93 shouldn't Lyoto have atleast a slightly better overall than him. He shouldn't have lesser overall rating than Rashad. He completely dominated him. Or Rashad is highly overated in the game.

A 95 doesn't seem that bad sounds logical for a fighter whos Lyoto's calibur. BJ is a 94 and Kenny Florian is a 92. A 95 overall sounds about right or atleast a 94.

And If you look at his ratings a few aspect of it is underrated.

[Luck911]

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I might of went overboard with a 95 but if Rashad is a 93 shouldn't Lyoto have atleast a slightly better overall than him. He shouldn't have lesser overall rating than Rashad. He completely dominated him. Or Rashad is highly overated in the game.

A 95 doesn't seem that bad sound logical for a fighter whos Lyoto's calibur. BJ is a 94 and Kenny Florian is a 92. A 95 overall sounds about right or atleast a 94.

And If you look at his ratings a few aspect of it is underrated.

Wait a couple fights before coming to that desicion,At point the game was made Evans went undefeated beating better competion than Machida.If Rua beats Machida does get made higher than him?

Like i said you and i don't full understand those stats mean for fighters.For example you want liddell standing defense lowered,Lidell has low stamina which in this games means he will get tired quicker and get knock out alot.

[L. BuЯNa]

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Wait a couple fights before coming to that desicion,At point the game was made Evans went undefeated beating better competion than Machida.If Rua beats Machida does get made higher than him?

Like i said you and i don't full understand those stats mean for fighters.For example you want liddell standing defense lowered,Lidell has low stamina which in this games means he will get tired quicker and get knock out alot.

Evans has not face better competition than Machida. Coming into the fight with Lyoto, Rashad the CHAMP was still considered the underdog.

Who has Rashad beat really. An aging Chuck Liddell, a draw with Tito Ortiz, split decision with Bisping and in the fight with Forrest Griffin, Forrest controlled the first ten minutes of the fight till he got caught in the end.

Lyoto KOd an undefeated fighter in Silva. Dominated Ortiz, TKO victory of R. Franklin & S. Bonnar. And BJ Penn.

Machida hasn't even loss a single round in the UFC.

And regarding Chuck's SSDef. I know stamina is a factor but an 80 is just pushing it. Shogun has never been knock down in his fights but his SSDef is alot lower than Chucks'. Hes cardio is even lower than Chucks'. (Shogun SSDef 50 Cardio 48/ Chuck SSDef 80 Cardio 58) It does not make any sense.

[Luck911]

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If you can come up for logical reason Frank mir not being ranked higher than other hw but machida being rated higher evans i will agree with you.

This is the point i don't care how bad the loss was if ufc was to update their rosters,it should not come after one fight, if griffin beats silva i doubt anyone will call him the better fighter.If rua beats machida what then.An actually trend needs to happen before a change something.

Also rating what do ratings really mean for example Anthony Johnson rated 82 in Round 1 and 2 is good as BJ Penn or any fight top fighter in his weight class.It is possible for fighter to be rated lower and be a better fighter in this game.To many factors in for your changes to be consider already

[L. BuЯNa]

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This update is not based on one fight, this is my initial taughts before they even fought, I'm just giving recent examples. He has defeated great fighters before he got in the UFC.

But Lyoto Machida is definitely underrated. His standing strikes offense is a 53. Not alot of power behind those punches but highly effective and accurate. He KOd Silva with one punch and KOd Evans who seems unhittable. Hes takedowns Off (62) and Def (74) is for sure underrated. He trained in Sumo and has good takedowns. Has fought top elite wrestlers and no one seem to be able to take him down. Now Michael Bisping who has a takedown defense of 75 was taken down numerous times by Evans. Why Bisping's takedown def rated higher than Machida when Machida obviously is better at it. Does that make any sense at all? If you factor those ratings that should be raised he would have a better overall rating than Evans.

Before they even fought I taught Machida should have a better overall rating than Evans. Machida is just a better well-rounded fighter than Evans.

Who knows maybe Frank Mir should be the highest rated HW. Hes a well rounded fighter but he doesn't deserve an overall rating of 91. Everyone else is just a level below him which is not the case in real life. I mean he has good punches, can kick, great on the ground. But some aspect of his ratings is overrated. His kick defense is an 83. Not alot of his opponents threw kicks like that and when he faced someone who did (Brandon Vera) he got destroyed. I know his sub offense (92) is great but it shouldn't be higher than Nogs' (90). In their fight Mir didn't want anything to do with Nog on the ground. Also Nog has submitted better fighters than Mir. Coming from 2 spectacular wins against Lesnar and Nog, they might of slightly overrated his skills.

I'm not saying a fighter who has defeated someone should have a higher overall rating but the game made it seem that way. Look at Griffin, hes overall rating is a 90 and Shogun an 87. Before they fought Griffin was a heavy underdog against Shogun. Shogun was considered a better rounded fighter. But with the win they rated Griffin higher than Shogun.

A higher rated fighter doesn't give you an automatic win. In the end ratings are just ratings, its the man behind the controller that counts. But some ratings do factor in in a fight.