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  • LorenzoDC
    MVP
    • Sep 2010
    • 1857

    #1

    LorenzoDC's MyLeague Multi-Year Talent Balance Sliders

    Hat tip to trekfan and others in this thread for working together to figure out how to fix the talent imbalance problems with default MyLeague Settings.

    The problems basically made the league way out of whack with elite shooters and few defenders within a few short years.

    To implement the fix, you will have to set up your MyLeague with 30 team control. You can set automation for 29 teams if you want, but your initial setup will require 30 team control.

    MyLeague Settings: All Default

    Importantly, this set makes no changes to progression, regression, training effects, or injury related settings. This set uses default draft classes with default draft class strength of 50.

    Changes to Team Training:

    For every team, go to Team Training, go to Fundamentals, and change them to custom using the settings below. Or download the set from here:
    • XB1: "Balanced MyLeague" from gamertag "Joey Ram0ne" (that's me)
    • PSN: MikeLowe47, "Balanced MyLeague" from OS'er Mike Lowe
    • PC: Name: "LorenzoDC's Balance" under Username "BigTicket" (thanks to joosegoose) AND also under Username "The BNESS" with File Name: "MyLeague LorenzoDC" (hat tip to de_jesus)





    Additional League Management & Manual Adjustments:
    • Every other year or so, go into your draft class and make an edit. Find one player with at least A- level potential and bump up his potential to A+ level.
    • That's because default draft classes give you the right amount of overall A potential talent and below, but not enough A+ guys. Do it on average half the years, but you don't have to follow a strict one year on, one year off schedule. Draft classes vary. Mix it up a little.
    • It's probably also a good idea to upgrade draft class guys who not only have at least A- potential, but who also have higher OVR ratings, probably 75 or higher. Otherwise they may have too far to catch up to reach their potential as 90+ level difference makers.

    DO NOT BUMP DRAFT CLASS STRENGTH! If you do, here's what will happen:
    • For every extra A+ you create, you will create more A and B level guys. Your classes will become too stacked without enough misses.
    • Once those extra A and B level guys start getting second contracts, your CPU managed teams will make logic mistakes and run out of cap.
    • Once that happens, you will see more teams with very poorly balanced rosters through front and back court, player cuts that make no sense, and opening day free agents who should be starters somewhere.

    Slider Test Results:

    For you data geeks, here are some averaged results I used to develop this set. Looking at these numbers, you can see why I recommend the manual draft class edits to add an A+ every other year or so.

    I ran all test simulations comparing October 28, 2016 against simulated leagues as of October 28, 2021. So, these are five year simulations.

    Just so you know, I tried a few ways to vary the set with changes to player progression, player regression and in season training effects, all with the goal to get enough 90+ players in the league at once without screwing everything else up. I couldn't find any way to do it. The manual edit is so simple, it seems to me like the best approach.

    Spoiler


    Conclusion:

    Use this slider set with these easy manual draft class edit practices and you should get a nicely balanced, tuned league that resembles the NBA over multiple years. You will see a full variety of player archetypes, realistic shooting attributes and a realistic number of players every year across the talent and potential distribution.

    Feedback, comments, potential problems and such are all welcome in the comments. This is an OS community effort, and has been from the beginning.
    Last edited by LorenzoDC; 10-01-2016, 05:49 PM.
  • LorenzoDC
    MVP
    • Sep 2010
    • 1857

    #2
    re: LorenzoDC's MyLeague Multi-Year Talent Balance Sliders

    Dammit, I didn't proof the title. If a mod would be so kind, please delete that extra "w" after my user name.

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    • Mauer4MVP
      MVP
      • Mar 2010
      • 2407

      #3
      re: LorenzoDC's MyLeague Multi-Year Talent Balance Sliders

      Shocked that the difference is just 1.0 for the 3pt and Mid Range training. Amazing work!

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      • LorenzoDC
        MVP
        • Sep 2010
        • 1857

        #4
        re: LorenzoDC's MyLeague Multi-Year Talent Balance Sliders

        Originally posted by Mauer4MVP
        Shocked that the difference is just 1.0 for the 3pt and Mid Range training. Amazing work!
        Yeah, I started testing at 0, then increments at 1.0, 1.5, 2.0, 2.5. . . so it surprised me too.

        Even at 3 it's just a teeny bit maybe lower than the current NBA, but not significantly so. I like it better here than with a bump above 3.

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        • trekfan
          Designated Red Shirt
          • Sep 2009
          • 5817

          #5
          re: LorenzoDC's MyLeague Multi-Year Talent Balance Sliders

          Fascinating results. Your sliders aren't far off from me, at least in terms of point-spread.

          I had my shot-mid-range and shot-3pt range set to 6.0, but tossed the "Open vs. Contested" slider to 65 for both, favoring contested shooting in the training. I set the Physical and Tactical sliders to emphasizing defense (but not too heavy like my initial try).

          Further, I bumped up progression for rookies to 65, while keeping regression to 53, draft class quality at 50, and my initial results were really good. I got similar numbers from year 1 in the file to year 7. I agree that more a+ potential rookies are needed, I saw superstars (90 or better overall rated players) fall off by year 7 (only 9 in the league if I recall, I have it all saved in a CSV).

          Great find here. I'll come back in a bit later with my most recent batch of results using my current "good" sliders that I cited above. It's possible my first run was merely a fluke and things get wacky later on, so I definitely will run at least three more tests to confirm my results.
          Any comments are welcome.
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          • ThatMichiganFan
            Pro
            • Apr 2014
            • 801

            #6
            re: LorenzoDC's MyLeague Multi-Year Talent Balance Sliders

            You da man LorenzoDC!! Appreciate the hard work, as always!
            GT: minibeast100
            2K18 Advanced Rotations:https://forums.operationsports.com/f...-myleague.html

            2K18 Sliders:https://forums.operationsports.com/f...n-sliders.html

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            • LorenzoDC
              MVP
              • Sep 2010
              • 1857

              #7
              re: LorenzoDC's MyLeague Multi-Year Talent Balance Sliders

              Originally posted by ThatMichiganFan
              You da man LorenzoDC!! Appreciate the hard work, as always!
              Kind words from the slider master. . .

              Just downloaded your set last night, gonna give them a whirl this weekend.

              I used yours all last year with a couple of tweaks for my play style.

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              • joosegoose
                Pro
                • Oct 2014
                • 889

                #8
                Re: LorenzoDC's MyLeague Multi-Year Talent Balance Sliders

                First of all, hats of to you guys for doing the testing.

                I'm surprised that it's such a relatively small departure from the included preset, though I suppose it makes sense since you're no longer catering to player type and making the 'rich richer' when it comes to already good shooters.

                What do open vs contested ratings look like after a few years? I notice you didn't make a change from the default there.

                Edit: Almost forgot! Uploaded on PC.
                Name: LorenzoDC's Balance
                Username: BigTicket


                Originally posted by trekfan
                Fascinating results. Your sliders aren't far off from me, at least in terms of point-spread.

                I had my shot-mid-range and shot-3pt range set to 6.0, but tossed the "Open vs. Contested" slider to 65 for both, favoring contested shooting in the training. I set the Physical and Tactical sliders to emphasizing defense (but not too heavy like my initial try).

                Further, I bumped up progression for rookies to 65, while keeping regression to 53, draft class quality at 50, and my initial results were really good. I got similar numbers from year 1 in the file to year 7. I agree that more a+ potential rookies are needed, I saw superstars (90 or better overall rated players) fall off by year 7 (only 9 in the league if I recall, I have it all saved in a CSV).

                Great find here. I'll come back in a bit later with my most recent batch of results using my current "good" sliders that I cited above. It's possible my first run was merely a fluke and things get wacky later on, so I definitely will run at least three more tests to confirm my results.
                I'll be very interested to test both and compare, keep up the good work!
                Last edited by joosegoose; 09-30-2016, 04:14 PM.

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                • ThatMichiganFan
                  Pro
                  • Apr 2014
                  • 801

                  #9
                  Re: LorenzoDC's MyLeague Multi-Year Talent Balance Sliders

                  Originally posted by LorenzoDC
                  Kind words from the slider master. . .

                  Just downloaded your set last night, gonna give them a whirl this weekend.

                  I used yours all last year with a couple of tweaks for my play style.


                  Idk about slider master but thanks! Idk if I've updated them, but if not, drop mid range and close shooting to 48. Should have better percentages. Also, I'm waiting until the patch drops on XB1 to do more testing so fingers crossed it's this weekend.
                  GT: minibeast100
                  2K18 Advanced Rotations:https://forums.operationsports.com/f...-myleague.html

                  2K18 Sliders:https://forums.operationsports.com/f...n-sliders.html

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                  • LorenzoDC
                    MVP
                    • Sep 2010
                    • 1857

                    #10
                    Re: LorenzoDC's MyLeague Multi-Year Talent Balance Sliders

                    Originally posted by joosegoose
                    First of all, hats of to you guys for doing the testing.

                    I'm surprised that it's such a relatively small departure from the included preset, though I suppose it makes sense since you're no longer catering to player type and making the 'rich richer' when it comes to already good shooters.

                    What do open vs contested ratings look like after a few years? I notice you didn't make a change from the default there.

                    Edit: Almost forgot! Uploaded on PC.
                    Name: LorenzoDC's Balance
                    Username: BigTicket




                    I'll be very interested to test both and compare, keep up the good work!
                    Actually, out of the box contested sliders for both mid and 3PT are very low, like 3.5 or so, depending on the player type. Whoever coded that treated them like all the other fundamental options, instead of as modifiers to the basic mid and 3PT shooting training slots.

                    I'll get your PC share in the OP. Thanks!

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                    • de_jesus
                      Pro
                      • Sep 2015
                      • 527

                      #11
                      Re: LorenzoDC's MyLeague Multi-Year Talent Balance Sliders

                      Uploaded for PC to make it easier for my PC folk.

                      ID: The BNESS
                      File Name: MyLeague LorenzoDC

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                      • trekfan
                        Designated Red Shirt
                        • Sep 2009
                        • 5817

                        #12
                        Re: LorenzoDC's MyLeague Multi-Year Talent Balance Sliders

                        Originally posted by joosegoose
                        First of all, hats of to you guys for doing the testing.

                        I'm surprised that it's such a relatively small departure from the included preset, though I suppose it makes sense since you're no longer catering to player type and making the 'rich richer' when it comes to already good shooters.

                        What do open vs contested ratings look like after a few years? I notice you didn't make a change from the default there.

                        Edit: Almost forgot! Uploaded on PC.
                        Name: LorenzoDC's Balance
                        Username: BigTicket




                        I'll be very interested to test both and compare, keep up the good work!

                        Ran my through my sliders with two more test runs and the first result does look like a fluke. Number for open mid-range and 3pt shooting are in the upper 30s (38/39) in later years, specifically years 6 and 7, with my version of the sliders, each year going up.

                        I'm downloading Lorenzo's here and trying them out with a modified set of my progression/regression sliders to see if I can get rookies to become superstars with those training sliders.
                        Any comments are welcome.
                        Texas Two-Step (2K20 Alt History)
                        Orange And Blue Forever (NCAA 14 Dynasty)
                        You Don't Know Jack (2K18 Pacers Dynasty - Complete)
                        Second Coming (2K16 Sonics MyLeague - Complete)
                        The Gold Standard (2K13 Dynasty - Complete)

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                        • Mike Lowe
                          All Star
                          • Dec 2006
                          • 5287

                          #13
                          Re: LorenzoDC's MyLeague Multi-Year Talent Balance Sliders

                          I just saved and shared to PS4:

                          PSN: MikeLowe47
                          Balanced MyLeague

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                          • Gramps91
                            MVP
                            • Sep 2010
                            • 2116

                            #14
                            Re: LorenzoDC's MyLeague Multi-Year Talent Balance Sliders

                            Awesome work man. I hate to restart my MyLeague but looks like I'll have to. Appreciate the hard work.
                            NCAA: Kentucky Wildcats
                            MLB: Atlanta Braves
                            NBA: San Antonio Spurs

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                            • Mike Lowe
                              All Star
                              • Dec 2006
                              • 5287

                              #15
                              Re: LorenzoDC's MyLeague Multi-Year Talent Balance Sliders

                              So, we're only adjusting the Fundamental Team Training for all teams and leaving the other categories?

                              And also to confirm, we can then place the other teams all back to "No" for User Controlled under MyLeague Automation and it'll stick?

                              Will the AI ever adjust their training anywhere else?

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