Anyone Finding the Right Sliders for Contracts/Free Agency?

[IlCapitano]

Quote: Originally Posted by IlCapitano

Now, the only thing I can't figure out is discrepancy between players in the same tier. For example DAR has a great season with over 22 pts per game, Turner more like 12 and 8 and they want the same. Maybe that's just me, maybe there's no problem there?

Ok, seemed to solve this one too. Simulated another season with everything the same but only reduced importance of player fame down to 0 and I couldn't be happier with results.


Turner now wants a starting salary at 16m from Pacers, a little more from others. While DAR still wants 20 from the Nets.



With fame at 22 Dwight wanted 20m per year, now more like 11-14m range. Wade wanted 10+, now he wants 5-7m. Only Melo is probably too low at 4m, or maybe not? He didn't have a very good season.


Boogie (I edited in his achilles injury unitl January) wants more like 25-27m instead of 32m like before.



And the best thing of all, superstars all still demand 30+m per year.

[Comduklakis]

still tweaking:

Observations: Carmelo, Howard, and Millsap are going to get overpaid no matter what it seems.

I tried lowering the minimum rating and that seemed to increase bad contracts to undrafted free agents.

Going to put that back and now trying to mess with the salary curve now.

Unrelated observations from simming for fun: Kawhi always signs with Toronto in the season. 2k REALLY likes Trae Young and Atlanta. Turnovers and FTA attempts continue to be too low in sim stats and some bigs struggle with FG% (DeAndre was at .497 in one season).

Rockets won title coming back from a 3-0 deficit against OKC in the West finals (GS bounced 4-0 in 1st round by 8 seed Twolves after going 72-10. HA!) Then come back from a 3-1 deficit to beat Bucks.

[jetsman92]

Quote: Originally Posted by Comduklakis

still tweaking: Observations: Carmelo, Howard, and Millsap are going to get overpaid no matter what it seems. I tried lowering the minimum rating and that seemed to increase bad contracts to undrafted free agents. Going to put that back and now trying to mess with the salary curve now. Unrelated observations from simming for fun: Kawhi always signs with Toronto in the season. 2k REALLY likes Trae Young and Atlanta. Turnovers and FTA attempts continue to be too low in sim stats and some bigs struggle with FG% (DeAndre was at .497 in one season). Rockets won title coming back from a 3-0 deficit against OKC in the West finals (GS bounced 4-0 in 1st round by 8 seed Twolves after going 72-10. HA!) Then come back from a 3-1 deficit to beat Bucks.

Trae Young is overrated like Lonzo Ball was at the start of the year in the default 2k Rosters and the Lakers always made the playoffs as a 6-8th seed... Then Lonzo would turn into a MVP candidate somewhere in his 3rd season... 2k seems to show love to certain rookies... But Luka has always won ROY in the simulations barring major injury

[Comduklakis]

Quote: Originally Posted by Comduklakis

still tweaking: Observations: Carmelo, Howard, and Millsap are going to get overpaid no matter what it seems. I tried lowering the minimum rating and that seemed to increase bad contracts to undrafted free agents. Going to put that back and now trying to mess with the salary curve now. Unrelated observations from simming for fun: Kawhi always signs with Toronto in the season. 2k REALLY likes Trae Young and Atlanta. Turnovers and FTA attempts continue to be too low in sim stats and some bigs struggle with FG% (DeAndre was at .497 in one season). Rockets won title coming back from a 3-0 deficit against OKC in the West finals (GS bounced 4-0 in 1st round by 8 seed Twolves after going 72-10. HA!) Then come back from a 3-1 deficit to beat Bucks.

raising the salary curve left a few too many mid level free agents unsigned by opening day.

going run a few final simulations and then post final details and post the sliders to 2kshare.

[Comduklakis]

After running a few more tests I think I'm relatively comfortable with what I'm seeing.

Some issues that seem to pop up regardless of sliders:

1. Howard, Millsap and Wade sign for too much and for multiple years

2. A couple teams will always sign guys I don't recognize to fairly hefty contracts ranging from 1/8m to 2/13 or 14m. I'm guessing this has something to do with the G league progression I've heard some about.

3. Certain players seem hardcoded to get paid. The most prominent are Harry Giles, Alan Williams and Georgios Papagiannis. No matter the sliders, with potential way down, minutes down (which as was said earlier does seem to work in reverse of what you would think) they get signed to 2/13 or 14m deals despite not actually playing much during the season.

4. Teams still are apt to stockpile at a position. The teams most prone to this seem to be the Clippers and Pacers, probably due to cap space/players available in that mid range/non max level.

5. Options for top players are limited due to a lack of trades to open up cap space. As a result Klay usually winds up in Atlanta or staying in GS. Kemba, Kawhi, Butler, all stay in Charlotte, Toronto, and Minnesota (I know, I know) respectively. Trades that I see (I don't allow them, but I like to see what is being offered) are still largely player for player type deals. Picks being offered are limited. Teams aren't trying to blow it up or get cap space and really teams aren't even trying to add a piece for the playoff run. Next up I will mess with trade sliders and see if this can be improved. I'm not optimistic because this seems to be a limitation of sports games (I see it in the Show as well as 2k). But I'll give it a shot.


I tried experimenting with some other suggestions in this thread. I didn't care for the "zero" sliders because I found some top guys signed for a bit too little and a few solid players sat in FA at the start of season. But honestly after simming a bunch, As long as you keep the potential slider way down, the minutes slider down (it is counter intuitive I know), player fame low, I don't know that the salary curve, Durability, non-financial ambitions make much difference. Each Sim looked overall decent with some head scratchers and always a couple guys you know would be signed IRL. But as I said above, certain issues are going to be hard to fix even with sliders.

Min Rating 50
Max Rating 60
Salary Curve 40
Player Potential 10
Player Durability 40
Player Minutes 35
Player fame 20
Player non-financial ambitions 50



Here are my last results with my slider set:

76ers Lin 2/14.88m

Bucks Parker 4/83.82m; Rolando Greene 2/12.33m; Monroe 2/13.73m;

Bulls Payton 1/7.09m; Tyson Chandler 1/1.57m; Brook Lopez 3/26.91m; Carmelo 2/27.24m

Cavs Middleton 4/83.55m; Taj Gibson 1/1.57m; Joe Johnson 1/4.16m

Celtics: Irving 5/165.15m; Rozier 2/21.5m

Clippers Randolph 1/5.13m; Beasley 2/6.53m; Gay 3/23.67m; Kemba 4/100.22m

Grizzlies John Schmidt 1/3.83m; Sefolosha 2/9.47m

Hawks Klay 4/131.74m; Bullock 2/11.75m; Tyler Zeller 2/6.60m; Jeff Green 2/7.69m

Heat Winslow 3/33.03m; Gerald Green 2/9.38m

Hornets Giles 1/8.43m; Portis 1/9.27m; Raymond Williams 2/14.15m

Jazz Theis 2/5.51m; Rondo 3/13.81m; Rubio 3/37.23m

Kings Tobias Harris 1/13.61m; Carroll 2/14.25m; Tyreke 3/35.60m; Cauley-Stein 3/33.3m

Knicks Kanter 3/27.09m; Porzingis 4/109.78m

Lakers Beverly 2/17.66m; Howard 3/55.93m

Magic Redick 2/17.75m; Isaiah Thomas 3/41.84m

Mavs Hood 2/16.29m; Thaddeus Young 3/23.45m; Cousins 4/131.74m; Jordan 4/102.56m

Nets Alan Williams 1/1.89m (FINALLY); Looney 2/9.28m; Ed Davis 2/9.26m; Russell 5/130.62m

Nuggets Lyles 3/31.51m; Millsap 3/51.01m

Pacers Glenn Robinson III 2/10.62m; O'Quinn 2/6.96m; Danny Green 2/7.14m; Myles Turner 4/99.74m; Hollis-Jefferson 3/32.42m

Pelicans Nick Young 1/1.57m; Austin Rivers 2/15.66m; Vucevic 3/45.15m

Pistons Stanley Johnson 1/4.67m; Moute 1/1.57m; Ariza 2/14.88m

Raptors Delon Wright 3/19.74m; Stephenson 2/5.90m

Rockets Trey Burke 2/10.45m

Spurs Bojan Bogdanovic 3/24.97m

Suns Mirotic 1/7.82m; Dedmon 2/13.27m

Thunder Mathews 2/11.0m

Twolves Butler 5/170.94m; KAT 4/131.74m

Blazers Wilson Chandler 2/8.67m

Warriors McGee 2/9.03m; Durant 5/190.8m

Wizards Oubre Jr. 3/27.43m; Satoransky 2/6.70m; Jack Tatum 2/10.5m





Late signings after summer league to minimum deals: Lauvergne, Willie Reed, Ellington, Teletovic, Justin Holiday, Robin Lopez, Shumpert, McLemore, Ajinca, Canaan, Ian Clark, Tarik Black, Ish, Felton, Finney-Smith, NOgueira

also Mike Scott 2/5.95m; Bledsoe 2/9.44m (coming off 12.4ppg 4.6 apg .414 fg% .301 3% and only 16 games played) ; Mudiay 2/18.05m

Biggest issues I see are still unsigned are Randle, Brogdon, Nance Jr. and KCP

Also wasn't happy with contract for Tobias Harris in light of some other deals, but like I said nothing is perfect and each season with the same sliders brings different results both good and bad. This is the happy medium I've been able to establish and I'd suggest that the player/team options are quite good and the FA contracts aren't game breaking with the right sliders.

I'm going to edit my sliders into the first post as well if anyone wants them. I will not be posting them online yet as I need to tinker with progression/regression and trades before I want to put out a whole set. Yeoman's work to Barnsey but I prefer a less aggressive regression and I'd like to try and find some slider set that gets trades to be more about rebuilding and dumping contracts to gain future assets.










So

[michdb8]

Quote: Originally Posted by Comduklakis

After running a few more tests I think I'm relatively comfortable with what I'm seeing. Some issues that seem to pop up regardless of sliders: 1. Howard, Millsap and Wade sign for too much and for multiple years 2. A couple teams will always sign guys I don't recognize to fairly hefty contracts ranging from 1/8m to 2/13 or 14m. I'm guessing this has something to do with the G league progression I've heard some about. 3. Certain players seem hardcoded to get paid. The most prominent are Harry Giles, Alan Williams and Georgios Papagiannis. No matter the sliders, with potential way down, minutes down (which as was said earlier does seem to work in reverse of what you would think) they get signed to 2/13 or 14m deals despite not actually playing much during the season. 4. Teams still are apt to stockpile at a position. The teams most prone to this seem to be the Clippers and Pacers, probably due to cap space/players available in that mid range/non max level. 5. Options for top players are limited due to a lack of trades to open up cap space. As a result Klay usually winds up in Atlanta or staying in GS. Kemba, Kawhi, Butler, all stay in Charlotte, Toronto, and Minnesota (I know, I know) respectively. Trades that I see (I don't allow them, but I like to see what is being offered) are still largely player for player type deals. Picks being offered are limited. Teams aren't trying to blow it up or get cap space and really teams aren't even trying to add a piece for the playoff run. Next up I will mess with trade sliders and see if this can be improved. I'm not optimistic because this seems to be a limitation of sports games (I see it in the Show as well as 2k). But I'll give it a shot. I tried experimenting with some other suggestions in this thread. I didn't care for the "zero" sliders because I found some top guys signed for a bit too little and a few solid players sat in FA at the start of season. But honestly after simming a bunch, As long as you keep the potential slider way down, the minutes slider down (it is counter intuitive I know), player fame low, I don't know that the salary curve, Durability, non-financial ambitions make much difference. Each Sim looked overall decent with some head scratchers and always a couple guys you know would be signed IRL. But as I said above, certain issues are going to be hard to fix even with sliders. Min Rating 50 Max Rating 60 Salary Curve 40 Player Potential 10 Player Durability 40 Player Minutes 35 Player fame 20 Player non-financial ambitions 50 Here are my last results with my slider set: 76ers Lin 2/14.88m Bucks Parker 4/83.82m; Rolando Greene 2/12.33m; Monroe 2/13.73m; Bulls Payton 1/7.09m; Tyson Chandler 1/1.57m; Brook Lopez 3/26.91m; Carmelo 2/27.24m Cavs Middleton 4/83.55m; Taj Gibson 1/1.57m; Joe Johnson 1/4.16m Celtics: Irving 5/165.15m; Rozier 2/21.5m Clippers Randolph 1/5.13m; Beasley 2/6.53m; Gay 3/23.67m; Kemba 4/100.22m Grizzlies John Schmidt 1/3.83m; Sefolosha 2/9.47m Hawks Klay 4/131.74m; Bullock 2/11.75m; Tyler Zeller 2/6.60m; Jeff Green 2/7.69m Heat Winslow 3/33.03m; Gerald Green 2/9.38m Hornets Giles 1/8.43m; Portis 1/9.27m; Raymond Williams 2/14.15m Jazz Theis 2/5.51m; Rondo 3/13.81m; Rubio 3/37.23m Kings Tobias Harris 1/13.61m; Carroll 2/14.25m; Tyreke 3/35.60m; Cauley-Stein 3/33.3m Knicks Kanter 3/27.09m; Porzingis 4/109.78m Lakers Beverly 2/17.66m; Howard 3/55.93m Magic Redick 2/17.75m; Isaiah Thomas 3/41.84m Mavs Hood 2/16.29m; Thaddeus Young 3/23.45m; Cousins 4/131.74m; Jordan 4/102.56m Nets Alan Williams 1/1.89m (FINALLY); Looney 2/9.28m; Ed Davis 2/9.26m; Russell 5/130.62m Nuggets Lyles 3/31.51m; Millsap 3/51.01m Pacers Glenn Robinson III 2/10.62m; O'Quinn 2/6.96m; Danny Green 2/7.14m; Myles Turner 4/99.74m; Hollis-Jefferson 3/32.42m Pelicans Nick Young 1/1.57m; Austin Rivers 2/15.66m; Vucevic 3/45.15m Pistons Stanley Johnson 1/4.67m; Moute 1/1.57m; Ariza 2/14.88m Raptors Delon Wright 3/19.74m; Stephenson 2/5.90m Rockets Trey Burke 2/10.45m Spurs Bojan Bogdanovic 3/24.97m Suns Mirotic 1/7.82m; Dedmon 2/13.27m Thunder Mathews 2/11.0m Twolves Butler 5/170.94m; KAT 4/131.74m Blazers Wilson Chandler 2/8.67m Warriors McGee 2/9.03m; Durant 5/190.8m Wizards Oubre Jr. 3/27.43m; Satoransky 2/6.70m; Jack Tatum 2/10.5m Late signings after summer league to minimum deals: Lauvergne, Willie Reed, Ellington, Teletovic, Justin Holiday, Robin Lopez, Shumpert, McLemore, Ajinca, Canaan, Ian Clark, Tarik Black, Ish, Felton, Finney-Smith, NOgueira also Mike Scott 2/5.95m; Bledsoe 2/9.44m (coming off 12.4ppg 4.6 apg .414 fg% .301 3% and only 16 games played) ; Mudiay 2/18.05m Biggest issues I see are still unsigned are Randle, Brogdon, Nance Jr. and KCP Also wasn't happy with contract for Tobias Harris in light of some other deals, but like I said nothing is perfect and each season with the same sliders brings different results both good and bad. This is the happy medium I've been able to establish and I'd suggest that the player/team options are quite good and the FA contracts aren't game breaking with the right sliders. I'm going to edit my sliders into the first post as well if anyone wants them. I will not be posting them online yet as I need to tinker with progression/regression and trades before I want to put out a whole set. Yeoman's work to Barnsey but I prefer a less aggressive regression and I'd like to try and find some slider set that gets trades to be more about rebuilding and dumping contracts to gain future assets. So

I think if you down more durability value can make get lower contracts to Howard, Millsap.

why do you keep minutes play value at 35? what I could see with the slider is that higher number give more value to players who play more games.

I hope that 2k add some kind of code to make rookies undrafted with some potential sign the minimum cause the only way to make them sign a minimum contract is moving the Potential value at 3 and Min Rating at 70

[Comduklakis]

Quote: Originally Posted by michdb8

I think if you down more durability value can make get lower contracts to Howard, Millsap. why do you keep minutes play value at 35? what I could see with the slider is that higher number give more value to players who play more games. I hope that 2k add some kind of code to make rookies undrafted with some potential sign the minimum cause the only way to make them sign a minimum contract is moving the Potential value at 3 and Min Rating at 70

the minutes slider actually seems counterintuitive to me. As Miklopedia stated earlier in the thread, it seems to be more important the lower you set it.

That said, the good news is that simming a season with everything on auto and then an offseason is a 20 minute process. Very easy for anyone to do and experiment with their own sliders.

[TheFinalEvent97]

I was testing some of these sliders and noticed something. While its not related to the sliders its concerning. Simmed to January 1st and I've noticed that every player in the last year of their rookie deal are ineligible for a extension despite meeting the 4yrs requirement, even if i edit their original contract length to 5yrs it still doesn't work.