I'm adding what I've discovered at the beginning of my post here. You can read the process and some more detail through the thread.
After running a few more tests I think I'm relatively comfortable with what I'm seeing.
Some issues that seem to pop up regardless of sliders:
1. Howard, Millsap and Wade sign for too much and for multiple years
2. A couple teams will always sign guys I don't recognize to fairly hefty contracts ranging from 1/8m to 2/13 or 14m. I'm guessing this has something to do with the G league progression I've heard some about.
3. Certain players seem hardcoded to get paid. The most prominent are Harry Giles, Alan Williams and Georgios Papagiannis. No matter the sliders, with potential way down, minutes down (which as was said earlier does seem to work in reverse of what you would think) they get signed to 2/13 or 14m deals despite not actually playing much during the season.
4. Teams still are apt to stockpile at a position. The teams most prone to this seem to be the Clippers and Pacers, probably due to cap space/players available in that mid range/non max level.
5. Options for top players are limited due to a lack of trades to open up cap space. As a result Klay usually winds up in Atlanta or staying in GS. Kemba, Kawhi, Butler, all stay in Charlotte, Toronto, and Minnesota (I know, I know) respectively. Trades that I see (I don't allow them, but I like to see what is being offered) are still largely player for player type deals. Picks being offered are limited. Teams aren't trying to blow it up or get cap space and really teams aren't even trying to add a piece for the playoff run. Next up I will mess with trade sliders and see if this can be improved. I'm not optimistic because this seems to be a limitation of sports games (I see it in the Show as well as 2k). But I'll give it a shot.
I tried experimenting with some other suggestions in this thread. I didn't care for the "zero" sliders because I found some top guys signed for a bit too little and a few solid players sat in FA at the start of season. But honestly after simming a bunch, As long as you keep the potential slider way down, the minutes slider down (it is counter intuitive I know), player fame low, I don't know that the salary curve, Durability, non-financial ambitions make much difference. Each Sim looked overall decent with some head scratchers and always a couple guys you know would be signed IRL. But as I said above, certain issues are going to be hard to fix even with sliders.
Min Rating 50
Max Rating 60
Salary Curve 40
Player Potential 10
Player Durability 40
Player Minutes 35
Player fame 20
Player non-financial ambitions 50
Looking to find if anyone has simmed a bunch of seasons to find what Sliders work best for free agency and contracts.
I tried these sliders:
Min Rating: 20
Max Rating: 40
Salary Curve: 50
Player Potential: 50
Player Durability: 50
Player Minutes: 50
Player Frame: 40
Player non-Financial Ambitions: 65
Here is how the off season went and some VERY EARLY extensions went. Sticking with the big names and some "eye openers" for me.
Now keep in mind when you see some of these guys signing that Klay Thompson and Julius Randle didn't sign until a game into the season and both took 1 year vet minimum deals.
Philly signed Deyonta Davis 1/9.89m; James Young 1/7.5m; Shabazz Muhammad 1/7.31m; Khris Middleton 4/107.92m
Milwaukee signed Dwyane Wade 1/15.59m; Ivica Zubac 1/8.92m; Bobby Portis 1/12.69m
Chicago signs Alec Burks 1/7.37; Harry Giles 2/33.77m
Cleveland signs Klay Thompson (1 game into the season) 1/1.57m; Sam Dekker 1/3.92m
Boston extends Horford 4/110.24m; Hayward 3/108.58m
Clippers sign Cheick Diallo 1/10.75m; Michael Kidd-Gilchrist 1/9.86m; Donta Geiger (i'm guessing a generated non-drafted player???) 1/7.37m
Memphis signs Demarre Carroll 1/7.43m; Justin Anderson 1/7.29m; Dj Wilson 1/10.32m
Atlanta signs Jamal Crawford 1/7.07m, extends Bazemore 2/23.4m
Heat sign Justice Winslow to qualifying offer 1/4.67m; extend Whiteside 4/122.5m, extend James Johnson 2/24.57m
Hornets sign Wade Baldwin 1/11.76m; Frank Kaminsky qualifying offer 1/4.67m; extends Batum 2/29.6m; extends Marvin Williams 2/11.11m
Jazz sign Mario Hezonja 1/8.88m; extend Crowder 2/32.28m
Kings Sign J.J. Redick 1/11.13m; Tyler Ullis (!!!) 1/8.81m; Wilson Chandler 1/4.61m; DeMarcus Cousins 3/98.2m
Knicks sign Kevon Looney 1/7.27m; extend Hardaway Jr. 2/26.31m
Lakers sign Jonothan Motley 1/10.7m; Georgios Papagianis 1/11.1m; Jimmy Butler 3/98.2m
Magic sign Patrick Beverly 1/8.89m; KCP 1/8.24m; extend Fournier 2/32.77m; extend Simmons 3/35.3m; Rajon Rondo 3/45.45m
Mavericks sign Dedmon 1/7.73m; Dinwiddie 1/12.71m; Seth Curry 1/8.35m; extend Barnes 3/68.2m; DeAndre Jordan 4/127.43m; Nikola Mirotic 3/45.46m
Nets sign Mike Scott 2/13.98m; Rashad Vaughn 1/9.36m; andrew Harrision 1/8.02m/ DeAngelo Russell 5/149.11m; Isaiah Thomas 3/66.78m;
Nuggets sign Gerald Green 1/7.32m; Paul Millsap 3/76.78m (coming off 9.7ppg 5.1 RPG)
Pacers sign Ante Zizic 1/13.32m; Darren Collison 1/8.49m; Marc Gasol 4/130.8m; Malcolm Brogdon 3/52.91m; Lance Stephenson 2/15.52m;
Pelicans signs Carmelo Anthony 1/19.07m; Noah Vonleh 1/8.45m; Cameron Payne 1/9.65m; Nikola Vucevic 3/65.28m;
Pistons (me) sign Stanley Johnson to qualifying offer 1/4.67m; Luke Kornett 1/1.4m; Tim Frazier 1/1.57m; Jerian Grant 1/8.94m (backup PG market was extremely tight and crazy)
Raptors sign Delon Wright 1/3.64m; extend Ibaka 3/56.2m, Kawhi Leonard 3/94.68m; Jonas Valanciunas 4/102.36m; Fred Van Vleet 1/9.28m;
Rockets PJ Tucker 2/16.32m;
Spurs sign Myles Turner 3/81.83m; extend DeRozan 3/108.9m; Pau Gasol 1/16.0m; Gay 3/38.4m
Suns sign Alan Williams 1/7.09m; Greg Monroe 1/11.4m; Markieff Morris 1/8.95m
Thunder sign Alex Abrines 1/6.82m; extend Roberson 3/40.91m
Twolves sign Elfrid Payton 1/10.78m; Nerlens Noel 1/8.16m (coming off a lost season with a broken leg no less); Julius Randle (one game into season) 1/2.07m; extend Teague 2/24.89m; Tyus Jones 3/41.94m; Gergui Deng 2/33.52m; Josh Smith 1/1.57m
Blazers nothing of note
Warriors signs Joffrey Lauvergne 2/6.70m; Extend Iggy 2/17.94m; Green 4/131.61m; Livingston 2/13.4m; Kevin Durant 5/195.43m; Jordan Bell 2/30.51m
Wizards sign Tyreke Evans (one game into season) 1/1.57m; Dwight Howard 4/142.8m; Kelly Oubre Jr. 3/44.89m
Still sitting in Free Agency at the all star break season 2: Rondae Hollis-Jefferson, Thaddeus Young, Austin Rivers, Kostas Koufos, Trevor Booker, JaVale McGee, Michael Beasley, Kenneth Faried, Kyle O'Quinn; Robin Lopez, Derrick Rose, James Ennis, Justin Holiday, Omri Casspi, Jeremy Lamb, Ed Davis, Trevor Ariza, Tyson Chandler, Garrett Temple; Cory Joseph, Luc Mbah A Moute, Terrence Ross, Wesley Mathews, Danny Green, Corey Brewer, Nick Young, Nick Stauskas, Tyler Ennis, Devin Harris, Jared Dudley, Michael Carter Williams, Anthony Tolliver, Luol Deng, Ramon Sessions, Jerryd Bayless, Darrelo Arthur, Aaron Aflallo
Horrific. I didn't tinker largely with the sliders just to see what would happen. Obviously potential matters FAR too much. At the same time some of these signings are just amazing head scratchers. Guys like Cameron Payne and Tyler Ullis who have no potential and are scraping to stay out of the G league are signing for 9 million.
And per usual teams stock up on too many of the same spots, not recognizing position fit or system fit. you can see from the FA pool that again OVR is king (and potential) and guys that have specialties are ignored. Quality vets ignored for no names with potential.
Overall a huge disappointment.
So if anyone has tinkered with this and come up with a set of sliders that rewards performance, has guys signing for multi year contracts, rewards vets, etc., I would love to see them.
After running a few more tests I think I'm relatively comfortable with what I'm seeing.
Some issues that seem to pop up regardless of sliders:
1. Howard, Millsap and Wade sign for too much and for multiple years
2. A couple teams will always sign guys I don't recognize to fairly hefty contracts ranging from 1/8m to 2/13 or 14m. I'm guessing this has something to do with the G league progression I've heard some about.
3. Certain players seem hardcoded to get paid. The most prominent are Harry Giles, Alan Williams and Georgios Papagiannis. No matter the sliders, with potential way down, minutes down (which as was said earlier does seem to work in reverse of what you would think) they get signed to 2/13 or 14m deals despite not actually playing much during the season.
4. Teams still are apt to stockpile at a position. The teams most prone to this seem to be the Clippers and Pacers, probably due to cap space/players available in that mid range/non max level.
5. Options for top players are limited due to a lack of trades to open up cap space. As a result Klay usually winds up in Atlanta or staying in GS. Kemba, Kawhi, Butler, all stay in Charlotte, Toronto, and Minnesota (I know, I know) respectively. Trades that I see (I don't allow them, but I like to see what is being offered) are still largely player for player type deals. Picks being offered are limited. Teams aren't trying to blow it up or get cap space and really teams aren't even trying to add a piece for the playoff run. Next up I will mess with trade sliders and see if this can be improved. I'm not optimistic because this seems to be a limitation of sports games (I see it in the Show as well as 2k). But I'll give it a shot.
I tried experimenting with some other suggestions in this thread. I didn't care for the "zero" sliders because I found some top guys signed for a bit too little and a few solid players sat in FA at the start of season. But honestly after simming a bunch, As long as you keep the potential slider way down, the minutes slider down (it is counter intuitive I know), player fame low, I don't know that the salary curve, Durability, non-financial ambitions make much difference. Each Sim looked overall decent with some head scratchers and always a couple guys you know would be signed IRL. But as I said above, certain issues are going to be hard to fix even with sliders.
Min Rating 50
Max Rating 60
Salary Curve 40
Player Potential 10
Player Durability 40
Player Minutes 35
Player fame 20
Player non-financial ambitions 50
Looking to find if anyone has simmed a bunch of seasons to find what Sliders work best for free agency and contracts.
I tried these sliders:
Min Rating: 20
Max Rating: 40
Salary Curve: 50
Player Potential: 50
Player Durability: 50
Player Minutes: 50
Player Frame: 40
Player non-Financial Ambitions: 65
Here is how the off season went and some VERY EARLY extensions went. Sticking with the big names and some "eye openers" for me.
Now keep in mind when you see some of these guys signing that Klay Thompson and Julius Randle didn't sign until a game into the season and both took 1 year vet minimum deals.
Philly signed Deyonta Davis 1/9.89m; James Young 1/7.5m; Shabazz Muhammad 1/7.31m; Khris Middleton 4/107.92m
Milwaukee signed Dwyane Wade 1/15.59m; Ivica Zubac 1/8.92m; Bobby Portis 1/12.69m
Chicago signs Alec Burks 1/7.37; Harry Giles 2/33.77m
Cleveland signs Klay Thompson (1 game into the season) 1/1.57m; Sam Dekker 1/3.92m
Boston extends Horford 4/110.24m; Hayward 3/108.58m
Clippers sign Cheick Diallo 1/10.75m; Michael Kidd-Gilchrist 1/9.86m; Donta Geiger (i'm guessing a generated non-drafted player???) 1/7.37m
Memphis signs Demarre Carroll 1/7.43m; Justin Anderson 1/7.29m; Dj Wilson 1/10.32m
Atlanta signs Jamal Crawford 1/7.07m, extends Bazemore 2/23.4m
Heat sign Justice Winslow to qualifying offer 1/4.67m; extend Whiteside 4/122.5m, extend James Johnson 2/24.57m
Hornets sign Wade Baldwin 1/11.76m; Frank Kaminsky qualifying offer 1/4.67m; extends Batum 2/29.6m; extends Marvin Williams 2/11.11m
Jazz sign Mario Hezonja 1/8.88m; extend Crowder 2/32.28m
Kings Sign J.J. Redick 1/11.13m; Tyler Ullis (!!!) 1/8.81m; Wilson Chandler 1/4.61m; DeMarcus Cousins 3/98.2m
Knicks sign Kevon Looney 1/7.27m; extend Hardaway Jr. 2/26.31m
Lakers sign Jonothan Motley 1/10.7m; Georgios Papagianis 1/11.1m; Jimmy Butler 3/98.2m
Magic sign Patrick Beverly 1/8.89m; KCP 1/8.24m; extend Fournier 2/32.77m; extend Simmons 3/35.3m; Rajon Rondo 3/45.45m
Mavericks sign Dedmon 1/7.73m; Dinwiddie 1/12.71m; Seth Curry 1/8.35m; extend Barnes 3/68.2m; DeAndre Jordan 4/127.43m; Nikola Mirotic 3/45.46m
Nets sign Mike Scott 2/13.98m; Rashad Vaughn 1/9.36m; andrew Harrision 1/8.02m/ DeAngelo Russell 5/149.11m; Isaiah Thomas 3/66.78m;
Nuggets sign Gerald Green 1/7.32m; Paul Millsap 3/76.78m (coming off 9.7ppg 5.1 RPG)
Pacers sign Ante Zizic 1/13.32m; Darren Collison 1/8.49m; Marc Gasol 4/130.8m; Malcolm Brogdon 3/52.91m; Lance Stephenson 2/15.52m;
Pelicans signs Carmelo Anthony 1/19.07m; Noah Vonleh 1/8.45m; Cameron Payne 1/9.65m; Nikola Vucevic 3/65.28m;
Pistons (me) sign Stanley Johnson to qualifying offer 1/4.67m; Luke Kornett 1/1.4m; Tim Frazier 1/1.57m; Jerian Grant 1/8.94m (backup PG market was extremely tight and crazy)
Raptors sign Delon Wright 1/3.64m; extend Ibaka 3/56.2m, Kawhi Leonard 3/94.68m; Jonas Valanciunas 4/102.36m; Fred Van Vleet 1/9.28m;
Rockets PJ Tucker 2/16.32m;
Spurs sign Myles Turner 3/81.83m; extend DeRozan 3/108.9m; Pau Gasol 1/16.0m; Gay 3/38.4m
Suns sign Alan Williams 1/7.09m; Greg Monroe 1/11.4m; Markieff Morris 1/8.95m
Thunder sign Alex Abrines 1/6.82m; extend Roberson 3/40.91m
Twolves sign Elfrid Payton 1/10.78m; Nerlens Noel 1/8.16m (coming off a lost season with a broken leg no less); Julius Randle (one game into season) 1/2.07m; extend Teague 2/24.89m; Tyus Jones 3/41.94m; Gergui Deng 2/33.52m; Josh Smith 1/1.57m
Blazers nothing of note
Warriors signs Joffrey Lauvergne 2/6.70m; Extend Iggy 2/17.94m; Green 4/131.61m; Livingston 2/13.4m; Kevin Durant 5/195.43m; Jordan Bell 2/30.51m
Wizards sign Tyreke Evans (one game into season) 1/1.57m; Dwight Howard 4/142.8m; Kelly Oubre Jr. 3/44.89m
Still sitting in Free Agency at the all star break season 2: Rondae Hollis-Jefferson, Thaddeus Young, Austin Rivers, Kostas Koufos, Trevor Booker, JaVale McGee, Michael Beasley, Kenneth Faried, Kyle O'Quinn; Robin Lopez, Derrick Rose, James Ennis, Justin Holiday, Omri Casspi, Jeremy Lamb, Ed Davis, Trevor Ariza, Tyson Chandler, Garrett Temple; Cory Joseph, Luc Mbah A Moute, Terrence Ross, Wesley Mathews, Danny Green, Corey Brewer, Nick Young, Nick Stauskas, Tyler Ennis, Devin Harris, Jared Dudley, Michael Carter Williams, Anthony Tolliver, Luol Deng, Ramon Sessions, Jerryd Bayless, Darrelo Arthur, Aaron Aflallo
Horrific. I didn't tinker largely with the sliders just to see what would happen. Obviously potential matters FAR too much. At the same time some of these signings are just amazing head scratchers. Guys like Cameron Payne and Tyler Ullis who have no potential and are scraping to stay out of the G league are signing for 9 million.
And per usual teams stock up on too many of the same spots, not recognizing position fit or system fit. you can see from the FA pool that again OVR is king (and potential) and guys that have specialties are ignored. Quality vets ignored for no names with potential.
Overall a huge disappointment.
So if anyone has tinkered with this and come up with a set of sliders that rewards performance, has guys signing for multi year contracts, rewards vets, etc., I would love to see them.
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