Sim, is it even real anymore?

[xMurphys_Law]

Honestly, I was the guy who had the 20 plus lines of rules. But in video gaming, what is sim really? If we were to see a true Sim NBA game, we would have to see 12 minute quarters and really have the CPU play on its own. Nowadays, sim is just a bunch of rules that tailor gameplay around a particular type of player. But i dont feel like the truly represent the follow NBA basketball experience.

Key rules like PIP (points in the paint), and fastbreaking dont actually represent true play in todays NBA. Those two particular rules state for PIP, you can only score a set amount of points in the paint (usually around 50% with deductions). And You can only fastbreak off turnovers...

Real life basketball shows teams who advance the ball up court, utilizing the young athletic talent they may have. Miami Heat's transition game was one of the most potent offenses in there Champion runs. You cant tell me that teams with post studs limited there post play to 50% of their offense.

These rules are in conflict with the fact that they limit the true feel of NBA basketball. But the idea is to limit cheese and exploits. SO to me, its not about what you do, its how you do it. Example, if you have Shaq, you are crazy if you arent running post plays directed to him. And for me, if you kill me with 100% skilled post moves (not catch n turbo bs), its on me. You should force me to either play straight up or double. If i have a weak halfcourt team, i should be able to runs you in transition, the same if you have the rebounding advantage...

Basketball is about adjustments, and as long as its not exploitation it should never be an issue. Unfortunating the Sim world today isnt about that. So i am no longer Sim Style, but Real Style....

I welcome opinions, but please dont be rude.....

[RedStickGamer]

Re: Sim, is it even real anymore?

I'm with you on that. Having rules for a set amount of points in various scoring ways isn't realistic. Can you imagine the game being tied at the end and you already hit your PIP limit.... The best rules you can have is an age restriction and to be kind and courteous to your opponent when winning or losing. Communication and getting to know your fellow league members are what make a great league last and prosper. I hate losing, but winning isn't everything.

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[xMurphys_Law]

Re: Sim, is it even real anymore?

I'm with you on that. Having rules for a set amount of points in various scoring ways isn't realistic. Can you imagine the game being tied at the end and you already hit your PIP limit.... The best rules you can have is an age restriction and to be kind and courteous to your opponent when winning or losing. Communication and getting to know your fellow league members are what make a great league last and prosper. I hate losing, but winning isn't everything.

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The only real rules i have is On ball Defense. In reality real humans guard real humans. The only way to simulate this is to be the on ball defender everytime.

[alabamarob]

Re: Sim, is it even real anymore?

Honestly, I was the guy who had the 20 plus lines of rules. But in video gaming, what is sim really? If we were to see a true Sim NBA game, we would have to see 12 minute quarters and really have the CPU play on its own. Nowadays, sim is just a bunch of rules that tailor gameplay around a particular type of player. But i dont feel like the truly represent the follow NBA basketball experience.

Key rules like PIP (points in the paint), and fastbreaking dont actually represent true play in todays NBA. Those two particular rules state for PIP, you can only score a set amount of points in the paint (usually around 50% with deductions). And You can only fastbreak off turnovers...

Real life basketball shows teams who advance the ball up court, utilizing the young athletic talent they may have. Miami Heat's transition game was one of the most potent offenses in there Champion runs. You cant tell me that teams with post studs limited there post play to 50% of their offense.

These rules are in conflict with the fact that they limit the true feel of NBA basketball. But the idea is to limit cheese and exploits. SO to me, its not about what you do, its how you do it. Example, if you have Shaq, you are crazy if you arent running post plays directed to him. And for me, if you kill me with 100% skilled post moves (not catch n turbo bs), its on me. You should force me to either play straight up or double. If i have a weak halfcourt team, i should be able to runs you in transition, the same if you have the rebounding advantage...

Basketball is about adjustments, and as long as its not exploitation it should never be an issue. Unfortunating the Sim world today isnt about that. So i am no longer Sim Style, but Real Style....

I welcome opinions, but please dont be rude.....

1) i dont think there is a problem with traditional sim rules if that is what a person enjoys, although i dont think they are very realistic.
2) i personally think the game has given people the tools to stop things like pip and fastbreaks, without rules.

I think this is a great topic and one that has slowed the advancement of sports gaming. Allowing developers to blame a playstyle for unrealistic results, is a way of diverting attention from the flaws of the game. Great post.

[The 24th Letter]

Sim, is it even real anymore?

Feels like the whole idea of sim has been lost over the years by some...

Things like not passing to a wide open man down low to meet some kind of PIP is whack to me...

[xMurphys_Law]

Re: Sim, is it even real anymore?

1) i dont think there is a problem with traditional sim rules if that is what a person enjoys, although i dont think they are very realistic.
2) i personally think the game has given people the tools to stop things like pip and fastbreaks, without rules.

I think this is a great topic and one that has slowed the advancement of sports gaming. Allowing developers to blame a playstyle for unrealistic results, is a way of diverting attention from the flaws of the game. Great post.

I agree with this. And now we are given the tools to counter. Its all preference, and I just dont want to play a team like TWolves running screens for Wiggins. That just doesnt make sense to me. If Im the Sixers, how else can I get my shooters open at a greater rate outside of playing inside out with Jahlil?

[NEOPARADIGM]

Re: Sim, is it even real anymore?

The only real rules i have is On ball Defense. In reality real humans guard real humans. The only way to simulate this is to be the on ball defender everytime.

There's already a huge thread about this, but for the record I completely disagree.

Quick example, if I'm manning the PG, and the PG passes off to the C beyond the arc, it's WAY more imperative to me as a defender to stay with the PG than it is to switch off and man the C. Like, not even close. Sorry.

[MikeWang4ever]

Re: Sim, is it even real anymore?

If you play 12 min quarters shoot your self

[MikeWang4ever]

Re: Sim, is it even real anymore?

lol just kidding don't ever do that!! Call me crazy, but I think this game should go more in the direction of NBA JAm!! Having fire trail the people shots who have microwave. Having dudes jump up and do 720s with the airplane sound effect. Having Kenny smith say HES ON FIRE!! Shaq saying BOOM SHAKALAKA!!

[Quentin32]

Re: Sim, is it even real anymore?

There's already a huge thread about this, but for the record I completely disagree.

Quick example, if I'm manning the PG, and the PG passes off to the C beyond the arc, it's WAY more imperative to me as a defender to stay with the PG than it is to switch off and man the C. Like, not even close. Sorry.

I agree with this post 100%

That's exactly how I play

[ataman5]

Re: Sim, is it even real anymore?

That's why in my Online League; following the motto 'as the game evolves players should evolve, too. '
I've deducted rules as the game evolves and now that the coaches know that they have the tools and they need to make use of them on both side of the floor in a 48 mn game to be Nba and basketball like.

Having set rules like %50 pip is just saying that you don't need to defend let the rules defend for you or same as fastbreak rules or any other stuff. Basketball is a game of defense/offense so you should evolve yourself on both ends.

On 48mn HOF/SIM everyone knows that you need to be creative and non-repetitive to be succesful so why have rules??

That's the motto in my online league since 2k13.

Sim is about being competitive w/o being repetitive. Basketball is how it is.

Being a gentleman and a good competitor is more important than labeling something as sim bcs sim in real life is about variaties. Rules don't have varieties.

Sim definition and comprehension should definitely evolve as we and the game evolve. [emoji106]🏻


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[daveberg]

Re: Sim, is it even real anymore?

Sim to me? Playing as realistic as the game allows me to.

I run with Jordan's Bulls - you bet your *** I'm running the triangle getting looks for MJ in the post and having him kill the D with his mid range game.

I never understood the kids who got their hands on the game and just ran around in circles using turbo all game just trying to get any kind of shot in for the sake of winning - man, that just kills the entire immersion of the game and was the biggest reason I stopped playing 2k online a few years ago. At least the cpu run plays and have the stars play like their counter parts with some slider/tendency tweaks.

As far as all the 'rules' for sim gamers? That's a buncha crap. I've got no problem with zero rules, so long as the player 'plays' a realistic game of basketball. If you're using the Lakers, get the Ball to Shaq and bang down low. Get the ball to Kobe and create. Don't run the floor with Robert Horry jacking up treys from 40 feet on every possession or try and post up with Van Exel.

Play smart, realistic ball - that's my take on 'Sim'.

[lkasprzak]

Re: Sim, is it even real anymore?

If you watch basketball, you know how to play sim every team play different.

[ksuttonjr76]

Re: Sim, is it even real anymore?

Sim is a mindset.

Otherwise, NO sports game will EVER be "sim" as long as you have people willing to go against the "spirit" of the game and used any means necessary to win, because "it's just a video game".

Technically, every NBA 2K has been a great simulation game; however, when you have people hunting for the exploits and "cheese" tactics that goes against the "intentions" of the developers, THAT'S when people complain that game is not a simulation. You can always reprogram an AI to react differently or fix glitches, but you can't make a person respect the "spirit" of the game.

[MadManCometh]

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Sim and 2k16 is two completely different things. Listen, the game think's pulling up off the dribble on a break wide open is a bad shot. I did this and was graded a D and missed the shot on several occasions. It's a video game based on codes and programs, which doesn't even know the difference if a player is even open or not half the time.