The 2k player's continuous strive for perfection.

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As a 2K gamer dating back all the way too the first NBA 2K's with the Iverson covers, I have realized a trend year in and year out. The 2K community pleads and begs for, let's say 10 additions for simplistic purposes. The Dev team on a good year will deliver on 5-6 of those requests, and instead of appreciating the additions, we as a community focus on the lack there of other proposed additions. This problem has become extremely evident this year for 2K17 and it's irritating to say the least. After massive proposed gameplay and presentation improvements across the board from my player to quick games, all I've seen is numerous unhappy fans talking about new haircuts and how 2K is dropping he ball for not adding haircuts, even going to the point of analyzing a Ronnie 2k tweet. The game hasn't even come out yet and the community is taking shots at a game which seems to offer the most additions from a previous year in certainly my memory. Mobile Face scan added, 3D scanned shoes, better player scans, my player and my park improvements, celebration control after a made shot, timing on lay ups, 11 commentators (this is especially insane if you think about the hours spent in the booth for 11 people), even new dribble, block and stealing mechanics, and we along with multiple other sites are focusing on created player haircuts.

I get that it's frustrating to see lack of hairstyles, beards and tattoos but for one second can we appreciate the many additions the game is promising instead of bashing it before it comes out just because of hairstyles on a created player?

Idk about you guys but I rather than focus on gameplay and presentation than adding a million beards, tats and hairstyles.

[JJRuelz]

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I've just learned to respect everybody's opinions on what they want improved.

also regarding people focusing on haircuts, most people are focusing on the CAP feature in general... or at least I am.

[Sublime8992]

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As a 2K gamer dating back all the way too the first NBA 2K's with the Iverson covers, I have realized a trend year in and year out. The 2K community pleads and begs for, let's say 10 additions for simplistic purposes. The Dev team on a good year will deliver on 5-6 of those requests, and instead of appreciating the additions, we as a community focus on the lack there of other proposed additions. This problem has become extremely evident this year for 2K17 and it's irritating to say the least. After massive proposed gameplay and presentation improvements across the board from my player to quick games, all I've seen is numerous unhappy fans talking about new haircuts and how 2K is dropping he ball for not adding haircuts, even going to the point of analyzing a Ronnie 2k tweet. The game hasn't even come out yet and the community is taking shots at a game which seems to offer the most additions from a previous year in certainly my memory. Mobile Face scan added, 3D scanned shoes, better player scans, my player and my park improvements, celebration control after a made shot, timing on lay ups, 11 commentators (this is especially insane if you think about the hours spent in the booth for 11 people), even new dribble, block and stealing mechanics, and we along with multiple other sites are focusing on created player haircuts.

I get that it's frustrating to see lack of hairstyles, beards and tattoos but for one second can we appreciate the many additions the game is promising instead of bashing it before it comes out just because of hairstyles on a created player?

Idk about you guys but I rather than focus on gameplay and presentation than adding a million beards, tats and hairstyles.

You are a consumer and customer. How does being an apologist for 2K help anyone, including 2K and yourself? We as customers should strive to get the best product possible and 2K should be aspiring to make the best product (to their customers) possible.

Very few people are insulting or disparaging the developers. Besides Ronnie for that lame tweet. 99% of us are here because we buy the game every year and will continue to do so. These apologists topics are definitely less constructive than complaint topics.

You want to thank the devs, that's cool, but your $60 should be thanks enough.

Also, my rough calculations are telling me I've given 2K roughly $1,000 since 2002. They owe me lmao (I'm kidding)

[Crunky]

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Yeah I don't get the hair issue I guess I'm too old but complaining about hair is like winning the lottery and being mad you came $10 short.

I just have to use the Allen Iverson Reference for this topic

WE TALKING ABOUT HAIR! NOT GAMEPLAY! NOT MYCAREER! NOT MYLEAGUE! WE TALKING ABOUT HAIR!

[Crunky]

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Quick Rundown of 2k Gameplay Improvements for just this year alone.
- Double Alley oops
- Jostling Box out Animations
- Physicality Animations(Chucking,Grabbing)
- Tip in/Tap out Rebounds
- Fatigued Players Slowdown
- Fatigued Players affect ratings negatively
- 115 injury types
- Evasive Layups(User Controlled Double Clutch Layups)
- Pull the chair on Offensive Player
- Overhead Skip Passes
- Guarding Big Man get blown by by little guys on peremiter
- CPU AI takes advantage of mismatches
- Players tug of war battles after rebound attempt
- More Zip on Passes
- User Controlled Emotion/Celebrating
- User Can Select Player Signature Celebrations
- Dynamic Attendance
- Spin Moves and Euro Steps have been moved to buttons for easy user control

With a short dev cycle now that's impressive I didn't even mention Mycareer, Presentation, Myleague and Myteam.

[The 24th Letter]

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I've just learned to respect everybody's opinions on what they want improved.

Thats the long and short of it.

If 2k offers it, you have every right to pursue improvements....that goes for socks all the way to gameplay...its one of the first things I learned about this fine community here...everyone has a 'thing'...you just have to respect it...no matter how small it is to you.

Sometimes even the guys asking for those things forget that....because theyll turn around and call MyTeam 'Pokemon', MyPlayer fantasy world etc..and in the same breath be 'outraged' about Ronnies comment or anyone else downplaying their requests...

I think one thing we all have to understand at the same time is that 2k offers A LOT. There are a lot of crowds to please each and every year, and at the same time be consistently innovative. Everyone naturally feels like what they focus on is the most important because their thread on OS has a lot of replies, but thats not the case all the time....sucks but its reality...I almost wish they would take a year to just 'catch up' on all these things...but I know thats impossible.

Anyway, I'm rambling.

[Leasim96]

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As a 2K gamer dating back all the way too the first NBA 2K's with the Iverson covers, I have realized a trend year in and year out. The 2K community pleads and begs for, let's say 10 additions for simplistic purposes. The Dev team on a good year will deliver on 5-6 of those requests, and instead of appreciating the additions, we as a community focus on the lack there of other proposed additions. This problem has become extremely evident this year for 2K17 and it's irritating to say the least. After massive proposed gameplay and presentation improvements across the board from my player to quick games, all I've seen is numerous unhappy fans talking about new haircuts and how 2K is dropping he ball for not adding haircuts, even going to the point of analyzing a Ronnie 2k tweet. The game hasn't even come out yet and the community is taking shots at a game which seems to offer the most additions from a previous year in certainly my memory. Mobile Face scan added, 3D scanned shoes, better player scans, my player and my park improvements, celebration control after a made shot, timing on lay ups, 11 commentators (this is especially insane if you think about the hours spent in the booth for 11 people), even new dribble, block and stealing mechanics, and we along with multiple other sites are focusing on created player haircuts.

I get that it's frustrating to see lack of hairstyles, beards and tattoos but for one second can we appreciate the many additions the game is promising instead of bashing it before it comes out just because of hairstyles on a created player?

Idk about you guys but I rather than focus on gameplay and presentation than adding a million beards, tats and hairstyles.

Totally agree - so much focus on the negatives. I for one am just grateful I can enjoy such games. Some are way too entitled and come across as ungrateful. I get that we should strive for more - but there's so much we can control and that's that. The same goes for 2k - every year they have to set priorities and focus on those. From there come restrictions - it's easy to assume that anything we ask for can be easily added. And it probably could be - but only if we likely sacrificed other priorities. The day will come when many things have a solid established foundation and customization becomes a priority. Until then we can only ask and hope.

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[Leasim96]

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Quick Rundown of 2k Gameplay Improvements for just this year alone.
- Double Alley oops
- Jostling Box out Animations
- Physicality Animations(Chucking,Grabbing)
- Tip in/Tap out Rebounds
- Fatigued Players Slowdown
- Fatigued Players affect ratings negatively
- 115 injury types
- Evasive Layups(User Controlled Double Clutch Layups)
- Pull the chair on Offensive Player
- Overhead Skip Passes
- Guarding Big Man get blown by by little guys on peremiter
- CPU AI takes advantage of mismatches
- Players tug of war battles after rebound attempt
- More Zip on Passes
- User Controlled Emotion/Celebrating
- User Can Select Player Signature Celebrations
- Dynamic Attendance
- Spin Moves and Euro Steps have been moved to buttons for easy user control

With a short dev cycle now that's impressive I didn't even mention Mycareer, Presentation, Myleague and Myteam.

And the key emphasis is that once they're added - people assume that it was easy to add. These things as simple as they may seem probably took some long hard work. We are talking about humans working on a game not robots. I'm sure it's complicated stuff that takes long development.

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[Sublime8992]

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Ohhh this topic is getting interesting...

Can any old heads tell me if they agree with this? I wonder if there's something like a College Hoops 2K8 and NFL 2K5 effect going on.

I still think about those two dead series frequently and how they were both the absolute pinnacle of sports gaming at the time. Now all we have left is NBA 2K and it's like all of our hopes and dreams are resting on this one series.

Things like weekly wrap up shows that reference games during the week were features that College Hoops and NFL 2K gave us back in the day, and NFL 2K5 was only $20!!!!!!!!!

So yes, at times perhaps some of us are a bit unappreciative of the work that goes into this game. But I know I have seen 2K Sports put out some absolutely revolutionary stuff, and now I expect nothing less.

[LorenzoDC]

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Ohhh this topic is getting interesting...

Can any old heads tell me if they agree with this? I wonder if there's something like a College Hoops 2K8 and NFL 2K5 effect going on.

I still think about those two dead series frequently and how they were both the absolute pinnacle of sports gaming at the time. Now all we have left is NBA 2K and it's like all of our hopes and dreams are resting on this one series.

Things like weekly wrap up shows that reference games during the week were features that College Hoops and NFL 2K gave us back in the day, and NFL 2K5 was only $20!!!!!!!!!

So yes, at times perhaps some of us are a bit unappreciative of the work that goes into this game. But I know I have seen 2K Sports put out some absolutely revolutionary stuff, and now I expect nothing less.

Big font posts.

All bold posts.

[JJRuelz]

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If 2k's not striving for perfection then what are they striving for?...

Money.

[Leasim96]

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If 2k's not striving for perfection then what are they striving for?...

Money.

Of course they are - you can't have perfection without money. Either way perfection will be hard to achieve under yearly restrictions. Something close to perfection might start around 2k19. Let's not forget we joined next gen not long ago. That means more room for improvement yes but also having to get familiarized to these new tech. I saw a post where Mike Wang was talking about that very thing. Getting a feel for what the new tech can do overtime etc. I'd just say there are way too many factors to say 2k just strives for money. I remember the jumps from each last gen 2k looked big at first but eventually the game graphics and other things reached its limit. Atleast with next gen is a matter of time till multiple sections reach its max potential. Aka less restrictions for improvement with next gen. I think people forget that 2k16 had tons of flaws. This year the focus probably was to fix the primary flaws. It's not like the game has such good set foundations that they can start to focus on other things. Regardless of departments the biggest issues were the focus. Which mainly included game play and my career. Not to mention they gave my league and my gm - my team - and even blacktop fixes too. That's ton of work. Not sure how people seem to dismiss that.

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[Hustle Westbrook]

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There's people paying 100+ dollars for this game, they have every right to criticize, or voice their displeasure if they feel that a certain segment of the game has been ignored or is not up to par.

No need to try and silence others because you feel that their complaints are not important enough.

[Black Bruce Wayne]

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You are a consumer and customer. How does being an apologist for 2K help anyone, including 2K and yourself? We as customers should strive to get the best product possible and 2K should be aspiring to make the best product (to their customers) possible.

Very few people are insulting or disparaging the developers. Besides Ronnie for that lame tweet. 99% of us are here because we buy the game every year and will continue to do so. These apologists topics are definitely less constructive than complaint topics.

You want to thank the devs, that's cool, but your $60 should be thanks enough.

Also, my rough calculations are telling me I've given 2K roughly $1,000 since 2002. They owe me lmao (I'm kidding)

Ummm....more than a few people have disparaged the Devs. Many posts. Different users for the past few 2Ks. LD2K has taken the most of it.

[MarkWilliam]

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If a complaint is constructive - it should happen as it is in the name of improvement. You will all find it will be welcomed and encouraged by 2K.

Constructive.

If it isn't constructive, it's a waste of time.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but a non constructive complaint is just an insult and it's disappointing that there are people out there who abuse any affiliated with 2K just for the sake of it.

Constructive. Makes all the difference.