2k dunking/layup controls input

[LM1213]

Not really sure about what to title the thread, but I was wondering what people thought about dunk attempt input on controls..let me explain.

So I've noticed when most people drive to the goal everyone attempts to dunk. I rarely see people specifically go for layups. most people attempt to dunk and when it doesn't happen you go into a contested layup.

personally I would like the game to attempt the dunk every time you use turbo. even if it's a miss 100% of the time. you use turbo you should go for the dunk and be penalized for the input if it's not in the correct situation. most people never attempt layups because there isn't much risk/reward. you go for a layup 50% chance it goes in, 50% you miss. or blocked (just an example)
you got for a dunk 100% chance it goes in, but if you get contact you just go to layup which is still 50/50. Most people just use turbo because the chances are way better regardless the outcome.
If 2k made every turbo a dunk attempt wit the input where there was a risk for doing it and the wrong time layups would actually be used on purpose more often. a lot of layup animations are never seen because most people just ride turbo.

what are you thoughts? should they make the input work and let the user make smarter choices, or keep it the same?

[ajg52801]

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This is very interesting. They should look into it.

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[BehindtheArc88]

Re: 2k dunking/layup controls input

Not really sure about what to title the thread, but I was wondering what people thought about dunk attempt input on controls..let me explain.

So I've noticed when most people drive to the goal everyone attempts to dunk. I rarely see people specifically go for layups. most people attempt to dunk and when it doesn't happen you go into a contested layup.

personally I would like the game to attempt the dunk every time you use turbo. even if it's a miss 100% of the time. you use turbo you should go for the dunk and be penalized for the input if it's not in the correct situation. most people never attempt layups because there isn't much risk/reward. you go for a layup 50% chance it goes in, 50% you miss. or blocked (just an example)
you got for a dunk 100% chance it goes in, but if you get contact you just go to layup which is still 50/50. Most people just use turbo because the chances are way better regardless the outcome.
If 2k made every turbo a dunk attempt wit the input where there was a risk for doing it and the wrong time layups would actually be used on purpose more often. a lot of layup animations are never seen because most people just ride turbo.

what are you thoughts? should they make the input work and let the user make smarter choices, or keep it the same?

Keep it the same

[emaula]

Re: 2k dunking/layup controls input

Not really sure about what to title the thread, but I was wondering what people thought about dunk attempt input on controls..let me explain.

So I've noticed when most people drive to the goal everyone attempts to dunk. I rarely see people specifically go for layups. most people attempt to dunk and when it doesn't happen you go into a contested layup.

personally I would like the game to attempt the dunk every time you use turbo. even if it's a miss 100% of the time. you use turbo you should go for the dunk and be penalized for the input if it's not in the correct situation. most people never attempt layups because there isn't much risk/reward. you go for a layup 50% chance it goes in, 50% you miss. or blocked (just an example)
you got for a dunk 100% chance it goes in, but if you get contact you just go to layup which is still 50/50. Most people just use turbo because the chances are way better regardless the outcome.
If 2k made every turbo a dunk attempt wit the input where there was a risk for doing it and the wrong time layups would actually be used on purpose more often. a lot of layup animations are never seen because most people just ride turbo.

what are you thoughts? should they make the input work and let the user make smarter choices, or keep it the same?

Completely agree.

I love finish drives with layups but since you use to beat the defender using turbo you always end triggering a dunk, then, as you said, dunk or contested animation.

Definitely better to let gamers choice how to end to the hoop, paying attention to where the contest arrives to conclude with opposite hand (or other counters).

[Kushmir]

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Keep in mind turbo is the quickest way to beat the defense....help or otherwise. Although 2K has historically rewarded dunk attempts disproportionately (fouls and the high FG% you already mentioned) its not so much that people are trying to dunk everything as much as the game interpreting "dunk" when you turbo.

I always felt like turbo should translate to "strong move to the basket" and not necessarily dunk--i'd like a system based more on real-life tendency. Chris Paul for example has dunked less than 5 times since 2013. Turboing to the basket with him should rarely (if ever) result in him trying to mash on a guy.

I wrote a piece about it last year: http://spgmg.blogspot.com/2016/11/to...t-to-dunk.html

[LM1213]

Re: 2k dunking/layup controls input

Keep it the same

just wondering what is your reasoning?

[LM1213]

Re: 2k dunking/layup controls input

Keep in mind turbo is the quickest way to beat the defense....help or otherwise. Although 2K has historically rewarded dunk attempts disproportionately (fouls and the high FG% you already mentioned) its not so much that people are trying to dunk everything as much as the game interpreting "dunk" when you turbo.

I always felt like turbo should translate to "strong move to the basket" and not necessarily dunk--i'd like a system based more on real-life tendency. Chris Paul for example has dunked less than 5 times since 2013. Turboing to the basket with him should rarely (if ever) result in him trying to mash on a guy.

I wrote a piece about it last year: http://spgmg.blogspot.com/2016/11/to...t-to-dunk.html

turbo is used to get past defenders but it's not that hard to let go. just like the shot stick is used to shoot, but you still have to let go of it, to release your shot.

as far as chris paul, what I am saying is, just cuz he doesn't normally dunk doesn't mean the system shouldn't attempt it, I think it should be on the user to not attempt it.

I see what your saying about a forceful drive, but the control manuals say it's a dunk. so I feel it should attempt it.

not saying your wrong for your thoughts, or the way you interpret it, just my opinion 2k should let the onus be on the user, I think it could increase the skill gap. But maybe they don't, because casuals. it's not a game killer by any means, just something I've always wondered. also sometimes I don't want to get a layup I want to attempt a dunk regardless if I miss I want to try to kill someone if I try to

[LM1213]

Re: 2k dunking/layup controls input

Keep in mind turbo is the quickest way to beat the defense....help or otherwise. Although 2K has historically rewarded dunk attempts disproportionately (fouls and the high FG% you already mentioned) its not so much that people are trying to dunk everything as much as the game interpreting "dunk" when you turbo.

I always felt like turbo should translate to "strong move to the basket" and not necessarily dunk--i'd like a system based more on real-life tendency. Chris Paul for example has dunked less than 5 times since 2013. Turboing to the basket with him should rarely (if ever) result in him trying to mash on a guy.

I wrote a piece about it last year: http://spgmg.blogspot.com/2016/11/to...t-to-dunk.html

Nice read on your blog

[olajuwon34]

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This is why online play in these games is a dunk fest, the risk reward like you talked about, its best to just go for dunks because the layups were never worth it most the time, iv seen bigs like KG and Shaq in 2k17 get blocked by 6 ft guards , it needs to be altered so that more layups are attempted, and its not like were watching some dunk contest.

[Impetuous65]

Re: 2k dunking/layup controls input

delete Msg

[LM1213]

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This is why you go into freestyle practice and learn the "WINDOWS" to perform certain lay ups, tear drops, when to let go of sprint, when to euro ect... I'm killing lay ups in 2k with KD and Curry left and right handers and straight forward expecting contact. It's all about that WINDOW.

I'm not saying I do it. I like doing layups as most the time when driving. It's just something I notice. it's just something most people online do.

[Americas Team]

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Just let turbo do right before you press the shot button.

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[El_Poopador]

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I would rather have a separate modifier for dunks. I should be able to do a layup at full speed instead of triggering a dunk.

That's one of my least favorite things about playing with PGs; I would pretty much never want to dunk with Kyrie even though he can, for instance, but I need to let o off the sprint in order to not try to dunk.


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[McNulty]

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One of the things I liked from games in the past was just mapping layup and dunk to two separate buttons. O for shoot,  to dunk. Wish it could be as easy as that nowadays.

[Kushmir]

Re: 2k dunking/layup controls input

turbo is used to get past defenders but it's not that hard to let go. just like the shot stick is used to shoot, but you still have to let go of it, to release your shot.

as far as chris paul, what I am saying is, just cuz he doesn't normally dunk doesn't mean the system shouldn't attempt it, I think it should be on the user to not attempt it.

I see what your saying about a forceful drive, but the control manuals say it's a dunk. so I feel it should attempt it.

not saying your wrong for your thoughts, or the way you interpret it, just my opinion 2k should let the onus be on the user, I think it could increase the skill gap. But maybe they don't, because casuals. it's not a game killer by any means, just something I've always wondered. also sometimes I don't want to get a layup I want to attempt a dunk regardless if I miss I want to try to kill someone if I try to

For sure, its def not "hard" but we all know you're risking your FG% if you release turbo when you beat a guy lol.

And I know how you USER guys are about 2K deciding what you do.

Its just that IMO dunks in the wrong situations should yield bad results. I'd love to see more charges, missed dunks and losing the ball when the wrong guys try to power through the defense or people try dunking in the wrong instances.