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  • awg811
    Pro
    • Jul 2009
    • 768

    #1

    #Realism Another year, more promises and disappointments

    First, let me say NBA 2K18 is full of potential and could have/could be the best 2k of all time.
    I thought same thing for 17, but the glaring problems were never addressed and likely won't be this year as well.

    Once again this year, and probably more so than ever, there is no reason not to be a sharp shooter or 7'3" max weight center.

    In the history of the NBA you'd be hard pressed to find more than 10 7'3" centers that ever amounted to anything. Most are too slow, too unathletic, and too uncoordinated to ever be any good.
    But, in NBA 2k, 7'3" has always been OP.

    Sharps have been OP since forever as well and just like 7'3" centers there's no reason not to choose that as your archetype.

    It seems like 2k spends most of the dev cycle figuring out ways to scam us out of VC and little to no time addressing the same glaring issues that break the game every year.

    Example:




    I cut my own hair and my hair color is natural. It costs me literally $0 to maintain my look.

    In the second picture, the winning team is an elite pro am team, no disrespect intended.
    But the shooters all broke NBA records in the same game in half the time of a real NBA game.

    "Want to make sure its realistic going forward", huh Ronnie?

    You can say it's because they are an elite and were playing a weak team and in fact they were and are. In the comment section of the tweet the other team said they were a team of 70 overalls.

    I would say this is another example of poor development.
    Elite teams should be paired up with other elite teams not an amateur team full of low overall players.
    You don't see Golden State playing high school teams and that's a good reason for the blowout and broken records, but that shouldn't excuse the match making!

    2k once again states that user skill matters and it may as long as you pick one of the 2 OP builds.

    They (2k) show right on their player builds that height, weight, and arm length all change different things, yet a 7'3" 350 pound post scoring 3 point shooter (the two slowest archetypes) center is just as fast, agile, and athletic as my 6'11" 230lbs athletic defender (the two fastest and most athletic archetypes) PF.

    Speaking of defense, it means almost nothing especially when it comes to defending the OP builds.
    I can be in perfect defensive position and magically get pushed out of the way because the center decided to take a bad well defended shot.

    And speaking of magic.
    There's a magic spot in the paint where no matter what you do, you can't defend it against any build.
    That spot is also very easy to get to, regardless of defensive positions, because more magic happens and passes lead players into that magic spot.

    I could go on and on and on, but this is already so long that I'm sure most won't read until the end.

    2k really needs more gameplay testing and a full beta to test and work out these issues before they release the game and charge me full price for a work in progress!

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    Last edited by awg811; 09-23-2017, 08:42 AM.
  • michaelsan
    Rookie
    • Aug 2011
    • 297

    #2
    Re: #Realism Another year, more promises and disappointments

    Originally posted by awg811
    First, let me say NBA 2K18 is full of potential and could have/could be the best 2k of all time.
    I thought same thing for 17, but the glaring problems were never addressed and likely won't be this year as well.

    Once again this year, and probably more so than ever, there is no reason not to be a sharp shooter or 7'3" max weight center.

    In the history of the NBA you'd be hard pressed to find more than 10 7'3" centers that ever amounted to anything. Most are too slow, too unathletic, and too uncoordinated to ever be any good.
    But, in NBA 2k, 7'3" has always been OP.

    Sharps have been OP since forever as well and just like 7'3" centers there's no reason not to choose that as your archetype.

    It seems like 2k spends most of the dev cycle figuring out ways to scam us out of VC and little to no time addressing the same glaring issues that break the game every year.

    Example:




    I cut my own hair and my hair color is natural. It costs me literally $0 to maintain my look.

    In the second picture, the winning team is an elite pro am team, no disrespect intended.
    But the shooters all broke NBA records in the same game in half the time of a real NBA game.

    "Want to make sure its realistic going forward", huh Ronnie?

    You can say it's because they are an elite and were playing a weak team and in fact they were and are. In the comment section of the tweet the other team said they were a team of 70 overalls.

    I would say this is another example of poor development.
    Elite teams should be paired up with other elite teams not an amateur team full of low overall players.
    You don't see Golden State playing high school teams and that's a good reason for the blowout and broken records, but that shouldn't excuse the match making!

    2k once again states that user skill matters and it may as long as you pick one of the 2 OP builds.

    They (2k) show right on their player builds that height, weight, and arm length all change different things, yet a 7'3" 350 pound post scoring 3 point shooter (the two slowest archetypes) center is just as fast, agile, and athletic as my 6'11" 230lbs athletic defender (the two fastest and most athletic archetypes) PF.

    Speaking of defense, it means almost nothing especially when it comes to defending the OP builds.
    I can be in perfect defensive position and magically get pushed out of the way because the center decided to take a bad well defended shot.

    And speaking of magic.
    There's a magic spot in the paint where no matter what you do, you can't defend it against any build.
    That spot is also very easy to get to, regardless of defensive positions, because more magic happens and passes lead players into that magic spot.

    I could go on and on and on, but this is already so long that I'm sure most won't read until the end.

    2k really needs more gameplay testing and a full beta to test and work out these issues before they release the game and charge me full price for a work in progress!

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    You're mentioning multiplayer, how can you dare to talk about realism ? Realism is single offline player and in that except few problems, it's one of the best Sim games ever. Multiplayer has become the cancer of this game.

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    • awg811
      Pro
      • Jul 2009
      • 768

      #3
      Re: #Realism Another year, more promises and disappointments

      Originally posted by michaelsan
      You're mentioning multiplayer, how can you dare to talk about realism ? Realism is single offline player and in that except few problems, it's one of the best Sim games ever. Multiplayer has become the cancer of this game.

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      I get so tired hearing this BS.

      First, realism IS NOT single player offline. Basketball is a team sport with 10 human players on the court at all times, with human errors.

      Second, single player offline also suffers from these same gameplay issues and more.

      I play both online and offline and online when I want more realism.

      The simple fact is, no matter what difficultly level or sliders that you use offline, you will never get realistic basketball because there is no human judgement and error.

      Finally, this thread is about online gameplay (which is where 2k makes most of its money and is generally speaking to when they talk about their game) if you're not interested don't read it or comment on it. If you play strictly offline you have no commentary to add to an online gameplay thread.

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      • Nevertheles109
        Pro
        • Nov 2012
        • 643

        #4
        Re: #Realism Another year, more promises and disappointments

        Originally posted by awg811
        I get so tired hearing this BS.

        First, realism IS NOT single player offline. Basketball is a team sport with 10 human players on the court at all times, with human errors.

        Second, single player offline also suffers from these same gameplay issues and more.

        I play both online and offline and online when I want more realism.

        The simple fact is, no matter what difficultly level or sliders that you use offline, you will never get realistic basketball because there is no human judgement and error.

        Finally, this thread is about online gameplay (which is where 2k makes most of its money and is generally speaking to when they talk about their game) if you're not interested don't read it or comment on it. If you play strictly offline you have no commentary to add to an online gameplay thread.

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        After I speak my peace, I'm outta here, but I can't disagree anymore with the bolded. Simply put, I've played and will play dozens more offline games that have plenty of error from the CPU, and I have a great time.

        To each his own... Good luck with your online gameplay.

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        • Goffs
          New Ork Giants
          • Feb 2003
          • 12278

          #5
          Re: #Realism Another year, more promises and disappointments

          Originally posted by Nevertheles109
          After I speak my peace, I'm outta here, but I can't disagree anymore with the bolded. Simply put, I've played and will play dozens more offline games that have plenty of error from the CPU, and I have a great time.

          To each his own... Good luck with your online gameplay.
          Online guys are a delusional lot...

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          • awg811
            Pro
            • Jul 2009
            • 768

            #6
            Re: #Realism Another year, more promises and disappointments

            Originally posted by Goffs
            Online guys are a delusional lot...
            Trolls!

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            • Comduklakis
              MVP
              • Oct 2005
              • 1887

              #7
              Re: #Realism Another year, more promises and disappointments

              Originally posted by awg811
              Trolls!

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              pot meet kettle
              http://www.operationsports.com/forum...y-cant-we.html

              http://www.operationsports.com/forum...ow-2012-a.html

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              • m1ke_nyc
                10
                • Oct 2009
                • 3243

                #8
                Re: #Realism Another year, more promises and disappointments

                Realism is dependent upon the user. Has nothing to do with online or offline. It's how the user plays. Me and a like minded individual can have a realistic experience in an online match just as easy as I can cheese the CPU to death offline.
                It’s easier to do the right thing, than to explain why you didn’t.

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                • awg811
                  Pro
                  • Jul 2009
                  • 768

                  #9
                  Re: #Realism Another year, more promises and disappointments

                  I trolled no one.

                  I created a thread and delusional strictly offline guys come in and think they run the forum.

                  I play both online and offline, in case you're having trouble reading.
                  Calling me an online guy and trying to get me to argue with you gets what you got.

                  You're a bunch of trolls in a thread that you don't even want to be in, but can't help to come in and troll.

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                  • ILLSmak
                    MVP
                    • Sep 2008
                    • 2397

                    #10
                    Re: #Realism Another year, more promises and disappointments

                    Originally posted by ratedmoney
                    Realism is dependent upon the user. Has nothing to do with online or offline. It's how the user plays. Me and a like minded individual can have a realistic experience in an online match just as easy as I can cheese the CPU to death offline.
                    So you play for the animations and the fact that you can call plays and have dudes move around?

                    Realistic outcomes create realistic experience, to me. It's like in old 2k, you could say, well I know I can steal the passes from the cpu, but that's cheesy... you are down 1 late, what do you do? Steal the pass.

                    Flaws that manifest online are present in the game. The cpu might get a crazy unrealistic rebound and shift the game. Or an unrealistic foul call might happen or not happen. Then you have to trick yourself into saying "well, it's like this... of course, the ref made a human error." or "Yea so and so jumped with his head at the rim and grabbed the board, man he's having a great game."

                    Think of it like this: online is like a stress test for the mechanics of your game. I consider myself a sim player, and I think I have a high bball IQ, but if you and another dude are playing a game that has imbalance and exploits, you are basically role playing and enjoying the animations. Which is cool, but I don't think that's an argument to use against "wow this game is really unrealistic."

                    Just saying. I felt the need to add some balance to this thread, cuz dude is getting unfairly ganged up on.

                    -Smak

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                    • m1ke_nyc
                      10
                      • Oct 2009
                      • 3243

                      #11
                      Re: #Realism Another year, more promises and disappointments

                      Originally posted by ILLSmak
                      So you play for the animations and the fact that you can call plays and have dudes move around?

                      Realistic outcomes create realistic experience, to me. It's like in old 2k, you could say, well I know I can steal the passes from the cpu, but that's cheesy... you are down 1 late, what do you do? Steal the pass.

                      Flaws that manifest online are present in the game. The cpu might get a crazy unrealistic rebound and shift the game. Or an unrealistic foul call might happen or not happen. Then you have to trick yourself into saying "well, it's like this... of course, the ref made a human error." or "Yea so and so jumped with his head at the rim and grabbed the board, man he's having a great game."

                      Think of it like this: online is like a stress test for the mechanics of your game. I consider myself a sim player, and I think I have a high bball IQ, but if you and another dude are playing a game that has imbalance and exploits, you are basically role playing and enjoying the animations. Which is cool, but I don't think that's an argument to use against "wow this game is really unrealistic."

                      Just saying. I felt the need to add some balance to this thread, cuz dude is getting unfairly ganged up on.

                      -Smak
                      This is how I approach the game, first off it will never be a 100% simulation as thats impossible. I understand its a video game and fun factor is the most important thing to me. I dont sit there trying to force realistic outcomes every possession. If I did that i wouldnt be playing and enjoying the game. I just play ball. If I got the Thunder your damn straight I might take Westbrook and blow past everyone to the hoop. But am I gonna come down every possession and do that probably not. I just play ball. Have fun..
                      It’s easier to do the right thing, than to explain why you didn’t.

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                      • michaelsan
                        Rookie
                        • Aug 2011
                        • 297

                        #12
                        Re: #Realism Another year, more promises and disappointments

                        Yes ok dude! Mr Trump007geekNerd pays 600 dollars of VC to get his player's stats go up so that he can score from his own basket to yours and you call it realistic ?
                        I repeat: offline is the real simulation and it's always been.
                        Multiplayer is competition and I'm sorry , I'm 27 but I'm kinda old school and the real multiplayer and real completion is FPS, ON COMPUTER such as quake, unreal tournament, call of duty until the forth. Then the console came to ruin everything making multiplayer a joke without talking about that nonsense of these additions that you have to pay to have "something more".
                        Now you young chicks come to bother the Devs all the time so that we have patches on patches because yeah you pay money so you are listened.
                        They break the game and we, people having fun offline, are screwed.
                        I'm seeing this since 2k15 so please, really, stop.

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                        • realtalk0131
                          Banned
                          • Sep 2017
                          • 92

                          #13
                          Re: #Realism Another year, more promises and disappointments

                          you cannot put realistic and online in the same sentence. i played 1 pro am in my entire life and saw a bunch of players rebound and drive the ball coast to coast so yeah stop with the BS. stop justifying this realistic online thing.

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                          • ph33
                            MVP
                            • Oct 2014
                            • 3261

                            #14
                            #Realism Another year, more promises and disappointments

                            Don't feel like any of the offline stans actually read his post. Nobody addressed any of his points other than to spew their own.

                            And I agree OP. Have noticed that big size at the center position is once again not penalized for being 7'3 340.

                            They should cap the height at 7'1. How many players above 7'1 actually play in the league?

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                            • awg811
                              Pro
                              • Jul 2009
                              • 768

                              #15
                              Re: #Realism Another year, more promises and disappointments

                              Originally posted by ph33
                              Don't feel like any of the offline stans actually read his post. Nobody addressed any of his points other than to spew their own.

                              And I agree OP. Have noticed that big size at the center position is once again not penalized for being 7'3 340.

                              They should cap the height at 7'1. How many players above 7'1 actually play in the league?
                              That actually play, 1, Porzingis.
                              25 in the entire history of the NBA and of those MAYBE 10 were any good at all.

                              "This is a list of the tallest players in National Basketball Association history. Twenty five of them have been listed at 7 feet, 3 inches or taller. Three are active as of the 2016–17 season; Kristaps Porziņģis of the New York Knicks, Walter Tavares of the Cleveland Cavaliers, and Boban Marjanović of the Detroit Pistons" - Wikipedia.

                              I'm done addressing the trolls.
                              I've been playing basketball and basketball video games long before most of them were even born.


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