Pure glass cleaner == easy mode

[Erithtotl]

I have played over 300 games of rec and now have 5 myplayers, several in the 90s so I speak with ''some' experience, though I'm hardly a 'pro'.

Yesterday I decided to make a 7'1 pure glass, and used my extra VC to buy up to a 71. After 5 games of myleague and about 8-9 rec games, I feel like the pure glass cleaner definitely breaks 2Ks mechanics.

Every matchup in rec I have either played even or dominated, despite being 15-20 points worse than them every time and only having bronze, and later, some silver badges. In only those 13-14 games I've already got like 4 silver badges, about 10 bronze ones with 3-4 of those close to going silver. It wasn't even remotely this quick or easy with my stretch, my post scorer, or my playmaking SC.

Much like the pure sharp, the glass cleaner is perfectly designed to do one of the most important things in the game, and do it well. The difference is that you are always involved, unlikely any other archetype where you might need someone to give you the ball, and better yet, all your 'normal' actions raise your key badges. Anyone who has grinded 'mid range deadeye' or 'tireless scorer' or 'chase down artist' to HOF knows what I mean. Heck I even drew 2 charges in a rec game to add 3000 to my charge card badge.

One of my first games was against a 91 slashing rebounder and I out boarded and outscored him. I just played a 91 2-way slasher and got 18 boards and held him to 4 points. The only pure stretch I played, a 90, scored 2 points and I still got a double double. I've come close 3 times to triple doubles in rec.

You might say 'well wait until you play a 7'3" 91 glass cleaner', and you'd be proving my point. The only antidote to a pure glass is another one. The only real downside to the build is that one pure-glass is great, but two don't really work together on a team.

Anyways, I'm not bragging, as I'm sure its mostly the build and only a little bit my skill. I'm saying that the pure glass requires lower skill and breaks the game as much as a pure-sharp. Skill matters, but just not as much as many other builds. If people want to improve the 2K experience they definitely have to fix the overpowered rebounding centers.

[Thrustie]

Re: Pure glass cleaner == easy mode

It’s a powerful build but I wouldn’t put it anywhere near a Pure Sharp. They don’t have many tools offensively. They get some really nice rebounding animations but there is ways to beat them on the boards. I don’t feel the same way when I see a Pure Glass on the other team as when I see a Pure Sharp or two.

[ItchyNscratchy]

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So you play 3 games of rec center now all of a sudden you think you know it all about this archetype. I hate all these sh*t posters that talk about how OP a glass is when ive been using one since 2k17. Back then no one b*tched about this build when in fact, IT WAS EVEN MORE POWERFUL IN 2k17. With the purple brick wall you would literally knock down every guard.

I dont know what “mechanics” your talking about when you say it breaks them. You act as if the glass cleaner can shoot half court 3s or dunk from the free throw line again like in 2k18 this all happened.

Now, in 19, they took away alot of the badges. We dont even get free throw ace badge/up and under. Instead we get badges like charge card which is useless.

[Erithtotl]

Re: Pure glass cleaner == easy mode

So you play 3 games of rec center now all of a sudden you think you know it all about this archetype. I hate all these sh*t posters that talk about how OP a glass is when ive been using one since 2k17. Back then no one b*tched about this build when in fact, IT WAS EVEN MORE POWERFUL IN 2k17. With the purple brick wall you would literally knock down every guard.

I dont know what “mechanics” your talking about when you say it breaks them. You act as if the glass cleaner can shoot half court 3s or dunk from the free throw line again like in 2k18 this all happened.

Now, in 19, they took away alot of the badges. We dont even get free throw ace badge/up and under. Instead we get badges like charge card which is useless.

I've played 300 in rec center. I've played 8-10 with this build and with a 73 beaten every matchup. You say it's weaker than previous years but all the other bigs have been nerfed more because they got rid of all the poster dunks. Now rebounding and defense is all bigs are good for and they do it better than anyone.

[ImInThis]

Re: Pure glass cleaner == easy mode

Op, I'll say this, every glass cleaner I've gone against I didn't fear them scoring near the rim. Stopping them in the paint is very easy.

I've actually out rebounded glass cleaners by 5-10 rebounds.

[Keith01]

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The only real downside to the build is that one pure-glass is great, but two don't really work together on a team.

I'm saying that the pure glass requires lower skill and breaks the game as much as a pure-sharp. Skill matters, but just not as much as many other builds. If people want to improve the 2K experience they definitely have to fix the overpowered rebounding centers.

I have a 92 pure glass and I'd say it's the best Center or big man build. BUT, it's no where near a sharpshooter. A GC does what it's supposed to do -- own the boards like a beast, set screens, and basically play bully ball. The rebounds still take plenty of skill to get positioning, timing, anticipation, etc. I've netted plenty of triple dubs with this build, that's if I have teammates smart enough to involve the center as a playmaker. It's bbq chicken vs other centers who don't have rebounding in their archetype -- but that's how the system is supposed to work, exploiting matchups and pros and cons for every build.

But this build is not OP because, while it's a dominant rebounder, it still has a major weakness -- offense. (2K18 rebounding finisher was pretty OP because you could rebound + finish). You're not going to be a great inside force or have the shooting to create a lot of space. And if the opposing team has a low reb Center, the team can and should help out aka gang rebounding.

"Don't nerf me bro" lol

[splashmountain]

Re: Pure glass cleaner == easy mode

It’s a powerful build but I wouldn’t put it anywhere near a Pure Sharp. They don’t have many tools offensively. They get some really nice rebounding animations but there is ways to beat them on the boards. I don’t feel the same way when I see a Pure Glass on the other team as when I see a Pure Sharp or two.

you can't beat them on the boards for an entire game unless they dont have the badges or you're playing a true amateur on the sticks. anyone with 2k skill. that understands how the badges work and your team doesnt have a rebounder. the pure reb will kill you on the glass. all facts.

you can box out until your hearts content. it wont matter. the ball will keep floating over your head into their hand. they will be allowed to jump clean over your back for no over the back fouls. there is nothing you can do about that. because that is how 2k designed that build.

you need a glass or a defender glass to slow that down. and as far as offensive ability, there is more than one thing you can do on offense. for one a rebounder sets great screens to get the sharps open.

#2 rebounders will cut off any 2nd chance points for their opponent by rebounding the ball.

#3. rebounders will create 2nd, 3rd and sometimes 4 chances in one offensive moment. to give his team multiple looks at the basket. This also creates open 3's because people start crashing to help gang rebound since the other big can't handle the pure glass. then the pure glass gets it and pitches it back out. FOR THREEEEEE! SPLASH.

#4. Their breakstarter passing ability is bar none. They rarely turn the ball over once that badge is on. you can rebound and not turn around to face your teammates and still throw perfect A.rogers darts down field for touchdown after touchdown.

#5. since they have the quickest takeover bar fillup. you will get more of 1 - 4.

Rebounders are carrying entire teams with their rebounding, over powered defense, and break starting passes.

[Thrustie]

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you can't beat them on the boards for an entire game unless they dont have the badges or you're playing a true amateur on the sticks. anyone with 2k skill. that understands how the badges work and your team doesnt have a rebounder. the pure reb will kill you on the glass. all facts.

you can box out until your hearts content. it wont matter. the ball will keep floating over your head into their hand. they will be allowed to jump clean over your back for no over the back fouls. there is nothing you can do about that. because that is how 2k designed that build.

you need a glass or a defender glass to slow that down. and as far as offensive ability, there is more than one thing you can do on offense. for one a rebounder sets great screens to get the sharps open.

#2 rebounders will cut off any 2nd chance points for their opponent by rebounding the ball.

#3. rebounders will create 2nd, 3rd and sometimes 4 chances in one offensive moment. to give his team multiple looks at the basket. This also creates open 3's because people start crashing to help gang rebound since the other big can't handle the pure glass. then the pure glass gets it and pitches it back out. FOR THREEEEEE! SPLASH.

#4. Their breakstarter passing ability is bar none. They rarely turn the ball over once that badge is on. you can rebound and not turn around to face your teammates and still throw perfect A.rogers darts down field for touchdown after touchdown.

#5. since they have the quickest takeover bar fillup. you will get more of 1 - 4.

Rebounders are carrying entire teams with their rebounding, over powered defense, and break starting passes.

You’re certainly entitled to your opinion and experience. I’ve played over 500 games in Rec this year and plenty against Pure GCs of all sizes. I honestly don’t find them to be gamebreaking by any stretch. I have a 6’11 Rebounding Athletic Finisher and have outrebounded plenty of them. I find with my extra speed, I can beat them to the spot pretty frequently when a shot comes up. The ones who literally just camp the paint can typically keep me off the offensive glass but it comes at the expense of letting me screen all over the place to my heart’s content.

I do agree it’s the best Center build in the game but I just don’t think the margin is as big as some others do. I really do think they’re pretty useless on offence other than setting screens. In the current meta of 4 shooters and one GC, they feel somewhat overpowered because you literally don’t need them to do anything else. In a random game with more diverse archetypes (which is happening less and less in Rec) I don’t find them to be anything particularly special.

[ItchyNscratchy]

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#5. since they have the quickest takeover bar fillup. you will get more of 1 - 4.

Lmao just stop dude... sharps can literally get a 1/4 bar just for making a 3 pointer...

[Thrustie]

Re: Pure glass cleaner == easy mode

These are all games where I was matched against GCs. One game actually had 2 GCs on the other team and one on mine.






Those were all max size GCs. I’m not saying I always outrebound GCs - I don’t. But I rarely get torched unless my team can’t shoot and their team hits everything. The only game I really got spanked (28 to 11) was actually against a 6’11 GC.

[howardphillips214]

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So let's just nerf everything in the game, then. Rebounders aren't supposed to rebound, sharps aren't supposed to shoot 3s and slashers were already nerfed so there's that.

Instead of "this games broken" can people start offering alternatives or solutions?

3 point success is OP and it's not just sharps. I can green with a 62 3 ball wide open. Yes, sharps are the ones who benefit the most, but it's the sliders that enable them to shoot like that online. Plus the lack of balanced defense and the weight of shot contests.

Maybe if other big builds had better mechanics to win the battles down low then the GC would be more balanced. If boxing out meant more in the game then GCs could stay the same. If ratings inside mattered then 90+ standing layup ratings would be more enticing.

Standing at the top of a mountain yelling that the game is broken doesn't do anyone good. Unless you're willing to provide options to the current meta, you're not helping.

[Keith01]

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you can't beat them on the boards for an entire game unless they dont have the badges or you're playing a true amateur on the sticks. anyone with 2k skill. that understands how the badges work and your team doesnt have a rebounder. the pure reb will kill you on the glass. all facts.

you can box out until your hearts content. it wont matter. the ball will keep floating over your head into their hand. they will be allowed to jump clean over your back for no over the back fouls. there is nothing you can do about that. because that is how 2k designed that build.

you need a glass or a defender glass to slow that down. and as far as offensive ability, there is more than one thing you can do on offense. for one a rebounder sets great screens to get the sharps open.

Lol stop. "You need a glass or a defender glass to slow that down". Ok you just provided your own solution. A center SHOULD have rebounding in their archetype. O well if a Shot creating finisher or Pure Stretch is getting beat up on the boards -- that's what should happen. This is why small ball is a risk. This is why Shaq would still be dominate in today's small ball finesse center NBA.

#2 rebounders will cut off any 2nd chance points for their opponent by rebounding the ball.

Shocker!

#3. rebounders will create 2nd, 3rd and sometimes 4 chances in one offensive moment. to give his team multiple looks at the basket. This also creates open 3's because people start crashing to help gang rebound since the other big can't handle the pure glass. then the pure glass gets it and pitches it back out. FOR THREEEEEE! SPLASH.

Maybe the other big shouldn't have made a pure stretch or something? Traditionally, in the history of basketball, centers were expected to have rebounding as a primary skill. You want 2K to nerf the GC because players chose offense or something over rebounding. It's called inherent pros and cons of a build and having a strategy to making your build.

#4. Their breakstarter passing ability is bar none. They rarely turn the ball over once that badge is on. you can rebound and not turn around to face your teammates and still throw perfect A.rogers darts down field for touchdown after touchdown.

So throwing accurate outlet passes is an amazing skill now lol. It's called tell your teammates to get back on D and stop using noob broadcast cam.

#5. since they have the quickest takeover bar fillup. you will get more of 1 - 4.

Should happen if GC is eatin'

Rebounders are carrying entire teams with their rebounding, over powered defense, and break starting passes.

Because of the nature of rebounding, GC do have a big impact -- but that's basketball and that happens in the real NBA. Look at Shaq, Moses Malone, Dennis Rodman, Bill Russell.


Just because GC are dominant rebounders (as they should be), 'set screens', and 'make accurate outlet passes', that makes them competent offensively? GC's needs to be super wide open to score inside. They're a liability offensively as far as not dependable inside, and not able to shoot to spread the floor (important skill to have in pro am), not great defensively. THAT'S THE TRADE OFF, which is all we can expect -- balance of builds.

Basically GC's are a rich man's Reggie Evans - a hustle player and very good rebounder, yet you want to nerf the one thing they're good at -- rebounding. And yes, good rebounding teams mean teams will have 2nd chance and 3rd chance buckets, limit the offenses possessions, strong rebounders will have an advantage vs weak centers -- THAT'S JUST BASKETBALL! You've been watching too much Warriors vs Rockets small ball lol. But even the Warriors understand in small ball you still have to rebound.

[ItchyNscratchy]

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Thank god the glasscleaners are overpowered. Now i hope everyone makes one so i can sh*t on them because everyone thinks they can just make a glasscleaner and automatically be good with it. Good luck on offense because you wont be effective at all unless you really know how to play. Also defense on the other hand, majority of 2K players dont even know what defense is so good luck with that too.

Had a game last night at rec with

20 pts
18 rebs
6 assists
8 steals
2 blocks

On 10/11 shooting.

This was against a REBOUNDING/ATHLETIC

He finished with 10 pts and a measly 8 rebounds D+ grade. Their entire team combined had finished with 9 rebounds total and i had 18 alone. But yeah its overpowrrrr

So to end this post on a good note, please everyone make a glasscleaner because we can do everything from shooting deep range threes to shamgod dribble moves and speed faster then Usain Bolt.

[splashmountain]

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You’re certainly entitled to your opinion and experience. I’ve played over 500 games in Rec this year and plenty against Pure GCs of all sizes. I honestly don’t find them to be gamebreaking by any stretch. I have a 6’11 Rebounding Athletic Finisher and have outrebounded plenty of them. I find with my extra speed, I can beat them to the spot pretty frequently when a shot comes up. The ones who literally just camp the paint can typically keep me off the offensive glass but it comes at the expense of letting me screen all over the place to my heart’s content.

I do agree it’s the best Center build in the game but I just don’t think the margin is as big as some others do. I really do think they’re pretty useless on offence other than setting screens. In the current meta of 4 shooters and one GC, they feel somewhat overpowered because you literally don’t need them to do anything else. In a random game with more diverse archetypes (which is happening less and less in Rec) I don’t find them to be anything particularly special.

um, you have glass cleaner in your build. thats all that matters.

pure is beyond op, especially if they are much taller than you are. even if you get to the spots before them half the time it does not matter. this is the point that makes me wonder what level of comp are some of you guys playing against. maybe if the guy is a pure or a rebounder of any type is horrible at the game it wont help them much. but if you're half way decent. its way over powered. its not that you can't hang, its the amt of work you have to put in to just HANG. I now have a pure of my own so everything i have said on OS since the game dropped i was spot on about and actually the build is even more over powered than i first thought. I also have two other big builds. so i have more than enough test cases to say yes, its a way OP build. you may not know this if you dont have a pure. they do not have to work nearly as hard for position. just hit the jump button and be semi close. its a wrap half the time. The game will intentionally try to give them better/ more chances to grab boards than other builds(defenders are quicker jumpers so they snag like crazy too, especially if they're a mix between defender and rebounder.

[splashmountain]

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Thank god the glasscleaners are overpowered. Now i hope everyone makes one so i can sh*t on them because everyone thinks they can just make a glasscleaner and automatically be good with it. Good luck on offense because you wont be effective at all unless you really know how to play. Also defense on the other hand, majority of 2K players dont even know what defense is so good luck with that too.

Had a game last night at rec with

20 pts
18 rebs
6 assists
8 steals
2 blocks

On 10/11 shooting.

This was against a REBOUNDING/ATHLETIC

He finished with 10 pts and a measly 8 rebounds D+ grade. Their entire team combined had finished with 9 rebounds total and i had 18 alone. But yeah its overpowrrrr

So to end this post on a good note, please everyone make a glasscleaner because we can do everything from shooting deep range threes to shamgod dribble moves and speed faster then Usain Bolt.

again, what is your build, and what was this guy rated? how good was he/she? if you are playing trash comp then sure it wont matter what the build is. you can abuse them if you are really good with any build. I've done it with my 6'10 post scoring/athletic finisher. i've had 20pts 20reb games on those dudes. but if i run into a 2k player that is a C+ player. its going to be a long night for me vs a pure glass rated as high as me or slightly higher. its going to be harder for me to score on them in the paint. unless every pass is a lob(which is another OP thing in the game.) or i catching 90% of my passes on the move towards the basket like a pure slashing SF. But if i'm posting them up and i make an excellent move. its going to be rough to score. sure i could switch it up. but why should i have to. i am partially a post scorer that knows how to use those moves and have those badges. why are they nerfing my ability to score in the post? no i dont want to do the cheese fadeaway every time either. why are people getting body blocks when i pump fake them into the 5th floor and I try to step thru or around them? Rebounders defensive abilities are way to high. they should be great at rebounding and decent on defense. not God's at rebounding and Great at defense.

and as we know great on defense means, standing underneath the basket(or even behind the backboard with your hands up and praying 2k gifts your opponent a bad animation to make him or her get a 3 second call, spin out of bounds, or blow a layup.