NBA 2K21 Current & Next Gen - Classic & All-Time Team Rosters Errors & Feedback

[ksuttonjr76]

Quote: Originally Posted by midwestking100

All i am asking for is accuracy in every detail. I wish 2k would hire people from the NLSC community to work in the art department.

But this is not an art thread....

[Real2KInsider]

Quote: Originally Posted by pjt8405

ALL Time Team Players who should be added and where from: - Glenn Robinson - Milwaukee Bucks - Currently featured in MYTEAM - Remove Khris Middleton - Swen Nater - LA Clippers - Currently available in MYTEAM - Remove Eric Gordon - Lenny Wilkens - Atlanta Hawks - Currently available in Historic Draft Class - Remove Trae Young - Wayne Embry - Sacramento Kings - Currently MYTeam Exclusive - Remove De'Aaron Fox - Bill Bradley - New York Knicks - Currently available on 1972 New York Knicks - Remove Kristaps Porzingis - Mel Daniels - Indiana Pacers - Currently available in MYTEAM - Remove Domantas Sabonis - Jeff Foster - Indiana Pacers - Currently available in MYTEAM - Remove Victor Oladipo - Tyreke Evans - New Orleans Pelicans - Currently available in MYTEAM - Remove Julius Randle - Bailey Howell - Detroit Pistons - Currently available in MYTEAM - Remove Andre Drummond - Robert Reid - Houston Rockets - Currently available in MYTEAM - Remove Chris Paul - Connie Hawkins - Phoenix Suns - Currently available in MYTEAM - Remove Larry Nance - Sam Mitchell - Minnesota Timberwolves - Currently available in MYTEAM - Remove Latrell Sprewell - Latrell Sprewell - Golden State Warriors - Currently available on All Time Timberwolves - Remove Jason Richardson - Juwan Howard - Washington Wizards - Currently Available in MYTEAM - Remove Larry Hughes

Those aren't mistakes so much as roster decisions. You're talking about removing current, identifiable star players from All-Time teams.

There isn't a single Knicks fan alive that prefers Bill Bradley (career 12 PPG, not in the Hall for his on-court contributions) over Kristaps Porzingis.

Trae Young is already a better player than Lenny Wilkins ever was, and is very obviously going to be a top 5 player in franchise history. After only two seasons, he's 4th in franchise PPG behind Nique, Pettit, and Maravich. He's 1st in APG. He's 10th in 3PM, will probably be 5th at the conclusion of his 3rd season, and the franchise leader by year 5.

Robert Reid was a fringe starter with no accolades besides playing 10 years w/ the Rockets and you're advocating him being there over Chris Paul.

Khris Middleton (2x All-Star, 44 playoff games, entering his 8th year w/ Bucks) is better than Glenn Robinson (2x All-Star, 26 playoff games, 8 years).

This is a lot different than biographical information being off or a player being missing from a Classic team. It's not cut & dry, context is required.

[pjt8405]

That's why I posted it as feedback. I do agree you could make an argument for Porzingis as Ideally Harry Gallatin would be his replacement but he's not available.

Regarding the other players:

Robert Reid, I have him on the All-Time List because he's 4th in Games played, 5th in Mins Played, 7th in FG, 6th in Defensive Win Shares and 9th in franchise win shares. I'd take him being a decent addition deserving of a spot over Chris Paul who played only two seasons in Houston and is featured already on two other teams in game (Clippers/Pelicans)

Lenny Wilkens - 5x all-Star, 2nd place in MVP voting and a KEY player in St. Louis Hawks history. Argument could be made to maybe not replace Trae Young as you said he may be a future all time franchise guy as well but Lenny should definitely be included on the All-Time team.

Glenn Robinson - Same argument that he should be included on the All-Time team. 2x All-Star, 21ppg in 8 seasons with Milwaukee, all rookie 1st team and Middleton is already featured on the current rosters.

We differ and that's okay but outside of Bill Bradley, I don't think the above players were big stretches if added.

[midwestking100]

Middleton is not a better player than Big Dog Robinson at all. I would love to see Middleton carry a team to the playoffs without having the MVP by his side or go off on the defending champs in their building like Big Dog did. To have Middleton on the all time team at this stage of his career is premature and the only reason 2k put him on the all time bucks is because they couldnt get big dog Robinson to come on board in regards to licensing imo. The same applies for Trae Young.

[VizzyXV]

Don't really mind who is on the all-time teams. Just make every player that's in the game accessible across all game modes

[Real2KInsider]

Quote: Originally Posted by pjt8405

That's why I posted it as feedback. I do agree you could make an argument for Porzingis as Ideally Harry Gallatin would be his replacement but he's not available.

The 65+ demographic generally don't play video games. Nobody born in the last 30 years is looking to play as Harry Gallatin.

Accolades require context. An All-Star selection in 2020 means more than an All-Star selection in 1950. Gallatin was a 7x All-Star in what was effectively the G-League.

Giving heavy weight to service time & tenure is always going to favor older era players that didn't have the luxury of free agency. Giving him a spot over Amare Stoudemire, Kristaps Porzingis, or even Tyson Chandler (all 1x All-Stars w/ the Knicks) is missing the forest for the trees.

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Robert Reid, I have him on the All-Time List because he's 4th in Games played, 5th in Mins Played, 7th in FG, 6th in Defensive Win Shares and 9th in franchise win shares. I'd take him being a decent addition deserving of a spot over Chris Paul who played only two seasons in Houston and is featured already on two other teams in game (Clippers/Pelicans)

Nobody is playing with these teams to use the 1980s equivalent of Trevor Ariza.

Chris Paul only played two seasons with the Rockets, but he was also the best PG in franchise history during that time. It's not far from snubbing Kevin Durant from the All-Time Warriors.

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Lenny Wilkens - 5x all-Star, 2nd place in MVP voting and a KEY player in St. Louis Hawks history. Argument could be made to maybe not replace Trae Young as you said he may be a future all time franchise guy as well but Lenny should definitely be included on the All-Time team.

Joe Caldwell, Tree Rollins, and Kyle Korver would all come to mind before the Hawks current franchise player.

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Glenn Robinson - Same argument that he should be included on the All-Time team. 2x All-Star, 21ppg in 8 seasons with Milwaukee, all rookie 1st team and Middleton is already featured on the current rosters.

That's the point though. The All-Time rosters are a combination of past and present. I'm pretty certain most Bucks fans would prefer Middleton, and as with Trae Young he isn't close to being the next guy cut (Jon McGlocklin, Brian Winters, Paul Pressey).

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I think the purpose of the topic is to draw attention to conclusive areas that need attention. It's a fact that Patrick McCaw is missing from one of his teams, just as Kendrick Perkins and Tony Allen were missing from their teams in prior years.

My ultimate point is that boxing in the objective info alongside something clearly subjective detracts from it's perceived importance.

[Real2KInsider]

Quote: Originally Posted by midwestking100

Middleton is not a better player than Big Dog Robinson at all.

Khris Middleton 2021
21-6-4 in 30 MPG
50-42-92 shooting

21.1 PER
62 TS% on 26 USG%
3 ORB% / 17 DRB%
22 AST% / 1.93 A/T Ratio
1.3 STL% / 0.3 BLK%

Glenn Robinson 2001
22-7-3 in 37 MPG
47-30-82 shooting

20.1 PER
53 TS% on 29 USG%
5 ORB% / 16 DRB%
17 AST% / 1.15 A/T Ratio
1.6 STL% / 1.6 BLK%

Beyond the on-court production (which clearly favors one player) Middleton is also regarded as a much better defensive player (whereas Big Dog was overwhelmingly viewed as a negative). The Bucks had the #1 defense the last two seasons, while the 2000-2002 Bucks ranked 26th, 20th, and 23rd respectively.

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I would love to see Middleton carry a team to the playoffs without having the MVP by his side or go off on the defending champs in their building like Big Dog did.

Big Dog took the Bucks to the playoffs three times in 8 years. They were stomped out of the first round twice.

He played worse in the playoffs (42% shooting), not better.

He was the 3rd best player on the 2001 team behind Ray Allen & Sam Cassell.

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To have Middleton on the all time team at this stage of his career is premature

Not if you're looking at it objectively.

Btw, here's Middleton having a better playoff game (w/o Giannis) than Glenn Robinson ever had in his entire career (he never cracked 30 - Middleton has done that 4 times).

[daveberg]

It's all subjective.

Nothing more than personal preference. I'd rather see far more old school players in the game than any of the modern guys, as I'm an old head and simply don't care much for the league today, whereas others don't share the same passion for retro hoops and could care less about past eras.

Different strokes for different folks.