NBA 2K22 All Player Ratings

[ChaseB]

In this video, we take a look at the overall player ratings for every player in...

Written By: Chase Becotte

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[Real2KInsider]

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My initial observation is that ALL players are down OVR w/ the exception of stars. This is likely due to additional Badges (as Badges affect OVR, and have for a few years).

Stars have tons of badges (and in higher qualities), while the mid-level players who make up the meat of the league (4th-8th men) typically get ignored by 2K.

The resulting OVRs almost assuredly ruin the off-season of a MyLeague as players who typically make 10-20M per are now practically indistinguishable from the veteran minimum guys.

There is some favoritism for various players & franchises (compare R.J. Barrett & the Knicks to the entire Kings roster for a good laugh), though it isn't as obvious w/ the blended OVRs.

One of my recent criticisms of 2K's Roster is they don't seem to have much understanding of how OVR works w/ their own gameplay, and a longstanding criticism is that they don't understand where NBA tiers break IRL. The way this roster is constructed every team has three 80+ players and then everyone else floating in the mid-70s.

Look no further than the Jazz for a comical representation of this:
88 Donovan Mitchell (All-Star)
88 Rudy Gobert (All-Star)
83 Mike Conley (All-Star)
80 Joe Ingles
79 Jordan Clarkson (6th Man of the Year)
78 Hassan Whiteside (was not in Kings rotation last year)
78 Rudy Gay (Backup PF/SF)
77 Bojan Bogdanovic (Starting SF - 2K having his position at PF is an entirely different tangent)
76 Royce O'Neale (Starting PF)
76 Eric Paschall (was not in Warriors rotation last year, a 3rd string on this team)

I say this seemingly every year but I would be embarrassed if I had to call this my product. It might appease Johnny Casual but anyone w/ more than a surface level interest in the NBA just cringes looking at this stuff.

Edit: I appreciate the larger spreadsheet that makes this more evident!

Edit #2: Apparently Frames, Line Spacing, and COLOR are a next-gen exclusive.

[EzMacK15]

How the heck is Donovan Mitchell still a 88 after the last two years he's had smh. The best  player on one of the leagues top teams and stays at a 88 for 3 years straight. He should be at least a 91 dang 2k.

[Real2KInsider]

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How the heck is Donovan Mitchell still a 88 after the last two years he's had smh. The best* player on one of the leagues top teams and stays at a 88 for 3 years straight. He should be at least a 91 dang 2k.

2K meticulously controls OVR via the Intangibles attribute, it has nothing to do with Mitchell's performance-based Attributes and Badges. He is 88 because they want him at 88.

Top 10 Shooting Guards
94 - James Harden (24.5 PER, 62 TS%, 44 AST%, 28 USG%)
90 - Devin Booker (19.2 PER, 59 TS%, 21 AST%, 33 USG%)
89 - Bradley Beal (22.7 PER, 59 TS%, 21 AST%, 34 USG%)
88 - Donovan Mitchell (21.3 PER, 57 TS%, 27 AST%, 34 USG%)
88 - Paul George (20.5 PER, 60 TS%, 25 AST%, 30 USG%)
87 - Zach LaVine (21.5 PER, 63 TS%, 23 AST%, 31 USG%)
87 - Klay Thompson (16.6 PER, 57 TS%, 11 AST%, 26 USG%)
85 - C.J. McCollum (20.8 PER, 58 TS%, 23 AST%, 27 USG%)
82 - Collin Sexton (18.0 PER, 57 TS%, 23 AST%, 30 USG%)
82 - Caris LeVert (17.8 PER, 53 TS%, 25 AST%, 29 USG%)
82 - Terry Rozier (17.1 PER, 58 TS%, 20 AST%, 24 USG%)
82 - Fred VanVleet (16.8 PER, 53 TS%, 27 AST%, 24 USG%)


They have pretty spreadsheets now but still haven't the foggiest idea on how to manage them.

Not a single member of the 2K roster team can explain the 5-point gap between Devin Booker and C.J. McCollum, much less the 3-point gap between he & Zach LaVine. They fetishize certain players.

[zten11]

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Cavs being as talented as the Jazz.

Yeah, that sounds about right.

[ojandpizza]

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Overalls still don't really matter that much if individual stuff is accurate. I haven't even had time to look into individual ratings but just glancing at a players overall always seems like such a shallow way of determining how a player is represented in game. We can't really control how those formulas play out, and trying to adjust things to make one player with a higher PER be rated a overall value higher than someone with a lower PER is just silly IMO.

A guy like Jordan Clarkson has a VERY shallow game. 6th man of the year or not he's an effective off the bench chucker no different than a Jamal Crawford or Lou Williams type of player. I'm sure his advanced metrics fair fondly playing on the best team in the league with the best interior defender always behind him, but he does nothing at all well off ball, isn't a great defender, isn't a great playmaker, is only effective at getting up his shots. I don't think 6th man of the year voting or PER should be any indication of what his overall should be when overall he's not a well rounded player. He's not even efficient at that, and was horrible against playoff defenses yet again.

[ojandpizza]

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77 Bojan Bogdanovic (Starting SF - 2K having his position at PF is an entirely different tangent)
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But he is their starting PF. O'Neale is their starting SF.

[jk31]

Re: NBA 2K22 All Player Ratings

Overalls still don't really matter that much if individual stuff is accurate. I haven't even had time to look into individual ratings but just glancing at a players overall always seems like such a shallow way of determining how a player is represented in game. We can't really control how those formulas play out, and trying to adjust things to make one player with a higher PER be rated a overall value higher than someone with a lower PER is just silly IMO.

A guy like Jordan Clarkson has a VERY shallow game. 6th man of the year or not he's an effective off the bench chucker no different than a Jamal Crawford or Lou Williams type of player. I'm sure his advanced metrics fair fondly playing on the best team in the league with the best interior defender always behind him, but he does nothing at all well off ball, isn't a great defender, isn't a great playmaker, is only effective at getting up his shots. I don't think 6th man of the year voting or PER should be any indication of what his overall should be when overall he's not a well rounded player. He's not even efficient at that, and was horrible against playoff defenses yet again.

problem is that the whole AI coaching AND managing aspect is focused solely on ovr ratings! if a team has a 75, a 74 and a 73 rated SG, the 75 rated one will start, 74 will get like 10 bench minutes and 73 will be out of rotation no matter their individual ratings. the 73 rated player could be the best 3 and d roleplayer of all 3, but only OVR matters.

[ojandpizza]

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problem is that the whole AI coaching AND managing aspect is focused solely on ovr ratings! if a team has a 75, a 74 and a 73 rated SG, the 75 rated one will start, 74 will get like 10 bench minutes and 73 will be out of rotation no matter their individual ratings. the 73 rated player could be the best 3 and d roleplayer of all 3, but only OVR matters.

Yes in this sense it matters, I’m more so talking about the player A is 2 points higher than player B but his PER is 2.4 less side of things.


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[allBthere]

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players are missing... for the raps I'm Pretty sure Dekker is on the team and he's not in the game at all (free agents etc) and local Stauskas isn't on the 905 (toronto farm team) OR free agents either. I know there are a bunch others on other teams I don't follow based on some reddit comments.

Funny because I see both my examples in the 2k database for 2k22 and know both were absent in 2k21

How does 2k handle adding players? especially adding players back in that were in previous editions?

[NorthPhillyBallers]

I never look at the rating s with the letter grades. Who does that. Hit the triangle button and bring up the numbers. 

Luckily I already got the game. 

[Real2KInsider]

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players are missing... for the raps I'm Pretty sure Dekker is on the team and he's not in the game at all (free agents etc) and local Stauskas isn't on the 905 (toronto farm team) OR free agents either. I know there are a bunch others on other teams I don't follow based on some reddit comments.

Funny because I see both my examples in the 2k database for 2k22 and know both were absent in 2k21

How does 2k handle adding players? especially adding players back in that were in previous editions?

Dekker I believe will be added once he makes the team (his contract is actually non-guaranteed).

Nik Stauskas won't be added until he plays in the NBA again. 2K has the G-League, but not the rights to any non-NBA players.

[martymcflyy85]

Any word on missing legends or newly added legends?

[Real2KInsider]

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problem is that the whole AI coaching AND managing aspect is focused solely on ovr ratings! if a team has a 75, a 74 and a 73 rated SG, the 75 rated one will start, 74 will get like 10 bench minutes and 73 will be out of rotation no matter their individual ratings. the 73 rated player could be the best 3 and d roleplayer of all 3, but only OVR matters.

Correct. Some people would rather parrot the same ideas for 4+ years, and play devil's advocate for why it's totally cool that the best bench players in the league (Starter caliber) are indistinguishable from various 9th-12th men.

[Real2KInsider]

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Since I'm big on putting my money where my mouth is:

2K22 Player Edit

Jordan Clarkson
82 OVERALL (+3)
Archetype: Slasher

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+2 OVR is from Attributes
+1 OVR is from Badges

OFFENSE
85 (-1) Driving Layup: 77-149 (52%, 13% Ast'd)
75 (+38) Post Fade
65 (+35) Post Hook
55 (+17) Post Control: About 1% of his Offense each year
40 (-49) Draw Foul (.134 FTR)
99 (+9) Close Shot: 209-426 (49%, 16% Ast'd)
79 (+7) Mid-Range Shot: 2-12 (Negligible sample - 40% for his career)
82 (+2) 3PT Shot: 242-696 (35%, 62% Ast'd)
90 (-2) Free Throw: 129-144 (90%)
85 (-1) Ball Handle (40% of Offense On-Ball)
59 (-1) Pass Vision (15.3 AST%)
70 (-7) Pass IQ
65 (-14)Pass Accuracy (1.46 ATR)
40 (+1) Offensive Rebound (2.9 ORB%)
35 (+10) Standing Dunk
60 (-15) Driving Dunk (12 Dunks, 1.3% of FGA)
99 (+4) Shot IQ (+4)
80 (-2) Hands

Clarkson is a premier slasher in the NBA.
He has a post game that is completely unrepresented by 2K (which they've had SEVEN YEARS to pick up on)
They oversell his passing. He is decidedly not a PG.
2K over sells Clarkson's passing game; he is decidedly NOT a point guard. Those responsibilities fall to Mitchell when they share the court. Clarkson never starts even when Mike Conley is sidelined.
Clarkson also isn't a contact finisher by any stretch of the imagination, often opting for finesse (floaters), which should be fairly obvious given his frame & average athleticism.

DEFENSE
57 (NC) Defensive Rebound (12.7 DRB%)
55 (+12) Interior Defense (Average for SG)
75 (+10) Perimeter Defense (Average for SG)
39 (+4) Block (0.4 BLK%)
67 (+21) Steal (1.6 STL% - I use the OG scale)
60 (+2) Shot Contest

Clarkson's man defense was fine. It should be noted this made up only 8% of his actual defense IRL. 2K disproportionately weights these attributes relative to the modern NBA.

The Jazz were the #4 Defense in the NBA, and Clarkson was 5th on the team in minutes, so he clearly wasn't killing them.

ATHLETICISM
75 (+2) Lateral Quickness
80 (+1) Speed
80 (+1) Speed w/ Ball
85 (+3) Acceleration
85 (NC) Vertical
50 (-4) Strength
85 (+5) Stamina (Plays starters minutes. Played 46 mins in his lone start this season)
70 (-15) Hustle
95 (+10) Durability (Has missed 10 games in last 6 years)

80 Stamina (which Royce O'Neale shares) is absolutely wild considering 34 year-old Rudy Gay has 94. It reflects how piss-poor of a job 2K does outside of the 10 attributes they update regularly. Most go years w/o getting updated. The billion dollar company pinches pennies when it comes to staffing their own game / making sure competent & *organized* people are in the trenches. But I digress.

MENTAL
95 (+10) Offensive Consistency (2.89 ORPM - 4th among SG)
40 (NC) Defensive Consistency (-2.85 DRPM - 115th among 116 SG)
65 (+16) Pass Perception (He is below average, not abominable)
70 (+12) Help Defense (Slightly Below Average)
85 (+17) Pick & Roll Defense (Above Average)
80 (NC) Intangibles

As we can see from his RPM splits, Clarkson is the ultimate Offense-only player.
Worth noting Clarkson's OVR isn't being depreciated by 2K's Intangibles. He is legitimately underrated.

2K BADGES (23)
FINISHING (7): Tear Dropper (S), Acrobat (B), Fast Twitch (B), Fearless Finisher (B), Giant Slayer (B), Slithery Finisher (B), Unstrippable (B)
SHOOTING (9): Volume Shooter (G), Difficult Shots (S), Hot Zone Hunter (S), Mismatch Expert (S), Stop & Pop (S), Catch & Shoot (B), Green Machine (B), Rhythm Shooter (B), Set Shooter (B)
PLAYMAKING (7): Bullet Passer (S), Glue Hands (S), Bail Out (B), Downhill (B), Space Creator (B), Stop & Go (B), Triple Threat Juke (B)
DEFENSE (0)

I personally combed through badges for the entire league and updated based on in-depth NBA data. 2K has not been willing to put that type of work in.

R2K BADGES (32)
FINISHING (8): Tear Dropper (G), Acrobat (B), Fast Twitch (B), Fearless Finisher (B), Giant Slayer (B), Pro Touch (B), Slithery Finisher (B), Unstrippable (B)
SHOOTING (12): Difficult Shots (G), Volume Shooter (G), Catch & Shoot (S), Hot Zone Hunter (S), Mismatch Expert (S), Stop & Pop (S), Circus Threes (B), Fade Ace (B), Green Machine (B), Rhythm Shooter (B), Set Shooter (B), Slipper Off-Ball (B)
PLAYMAKING (11): Bullet Passer (S), Glue Hands (S), Quick First Step (S), Space Creator (S), Bail Out (B), Downhill (B), Handles For Days (B), Stop & Go (B), Tight Handles (B), Triple Threat Juke (B), Unpluckable (B)
DEFENSE (1): Pick Dodger (B)

Clarkson gets a significant overhaul to his badges. He is one of the deadliest scorers in the NBA off the dribble.

R2K CHANGES
GOLD: Tear Dropper (+1), Difficult Shots (+1)
SILVER: Catch & Shoot (+1), Quick First Step (+2), Space Creator (+1)
BRONZE: Pro Touch (+1), Slippery Off-Ball (+1), Circus Threes (+1), Fade Ace (+1), Tight Handles (+1), Unpluckable (+1), Handles for Days (+1), Pick Dodger (+1)

Quick comp to 2K's other SGs in this tier
82 - Collin Sexton (18.0 PER, 57 TS%, 23 AST%, 30 USG%)
82 - Caris LeVert (17.8 PER, 53 TS%, 25 AST%, 29 USG%)
82 - Terry Rozier (17.1 PER, 58 TS%, 20 AST%, 24 USG%)
82 - Fred VanVleet (16.8 PER, 53 TS%, 27 AST%, 24 USG%)
81 - Tyrese Haliburton (16.2 PER, 59 TS%, 25 AST%, 18 USG%)
81 - Anthony Edwards (13.9 PER, 52 TS%, 15 AST%, 27 USG%)
80 - Bogdan Bogdanovic (17.6 PER, 62 TS%, 18 AST%, 21 USG%)
80 - Victor Oladipo (14.3 PER, 51 TS%, 23 AST%, 29 USG%)
80 - Malik Beasley (14.6 PER, 57 TS%, 12 AST%, 24 USG%)
79 - Jordan Clarkson (17.1 PER, 55 TS%, 15 AST%, 30 USG%)

Their ratings are atrocious outside of the top 50 players.