Last I Checked, The League is Shooting 37% on Wide Open 3s

[MakaveliLPC]

A few weeks ago, while watching a Thinking Basketball YouTube video, he stated that the league average on WIDE Open 3's (closest defender 6+ FEET away) was around 37%.

This has always bothered me about 2K. How it seems open shots are automatic. And to compensate for that, it seems like contested shots are automatic misses.

I really wish 2K, like Madden would implement next gen stats into their game for shooting percentages, but JUST for the real player fg% setting, since you already know the players online would be in a frenzy if they ever missed a wide open shot, let alone consistently.

Also, hopefully someone on here can find the current stats on Wide open 3's league wide since I can only seem to find the player stats on it.

What are your guys' thoughts on this?

[ksuttonjr76]

Re: Last I Checked, The League is Shooting 37% on Wide Open 3s

A few weeks ago, while watching a Thinking Basketball YouTube video, he stated that the league average on WIDE Open 3's (closest defender 6+ FEET away) was around 37%.

This has always bothered me about 2K. How it seems open shots are automatic. And to compensate for that, it seems like contested shots are automatic misses.

I really wish 2K, like Madden would implement next gen stats into their game for shooting percentages, but JUST for the real player fg% setting, since you already know the players online would be in a frenzy if they ever missed a wide open shot, let alone consistently.

Also, hopefully someone on here can find the current stats on Wide open 3's league wide since I can only seem to find the player stats on it.

What are your guys' thoughts on this?

You're fighting an age old battle since the implementation of green releases and Steph Curry "broke" NBA videogames. This current crop of gamers can't handle realistic shooting percentages. Before I stopped playing NBA 2K, there was one weekend in MyTeam Limited where you couldn't use a player with a 3PT rating above 85. That was the most fun that I had in a while when it came to H2H action, because every open 3PT shot was a guaranteed make, and people had to put in actual EFFORT in creating the best shot possible or available. Most of the Reddit users that weekend? They felt that it was the worse week ever for the Limited Mode.

Even peeking into the MyPark and REC threads...a player is basically considered a "bum" if they're shooting less than 90%. That's a shame. Even though I stopped playing, NBA 2K22 was a solid game, but I just got tired of the playing against the meta across all modes. I would still give the slight edge to NBA 2K11 as the GOAT for me due to the shooting percentages, and luckily it was before the rise of social media impacting the direction of the game.

[MakaveliLPC]

Re: Last I Checked, The League is Shooting 37% on Wide Open 3s

You're fighting an age old battle since the implementation of green releases and Steph Curry "broke" NBA videogames. This current crop of gamers can't handle realistic shooting percentages. Before I stopped playing NBA 2K, there was one weekend in MyTeam Limited where you couldn't use a player with a 3PT rating above 85. That was the most fun that I had in a while when it came to H2H action, because every open 3PT shot was a guaranteed make, and people had to put in actual EFFORT in creating the best shot possible or available. Most of the Reddit users that weekend? They felt that it was the worse week ever for the Limited Mode.

Even peeking into the MyPark and REC threads...a player is basically considered a "bum" if they're shooting less than 90%. That's a shame. Even though I stopped playing, NBA 2K22 was a solid game, but I just got tired of the playing against the meta across all modes. I would still give the slight edge to NBA 2K11 as the GOAT for me due to the shooting percentages, and luckily it was before the rise of social media impacting the direction of the game.

Oh trust me dude i lost hope that the online crowd would ever accept anything close to realistic when it comes to shooting a long time ago. In fact I've never had any. I'm speaking more in terms of offline mynba user vs CPU games. I know asking any universal changes is a lost cause, just user vs CPU with real fg % turned on

[AIRJ23]

Re: Last I Checked, The League is Shooting 37% on Wide Open 3s

A few weeks ago, while watching a Thinking Basketball YouTube video, he stated that the league average on WIDE Open 3's (closest defender 6+ FEET away) was around 37%.

This has always bothered me about 2K. How it seems open shots are automatic. And to compensate for that, it seems like contested shots are automatic misses.

I really wish 2K, like Madden would implement next gen stats into their game for shooting percentages, but JUST for the real player fg% setting, since you already know the players online would be in a frenzy if they ever missed a wide open shot, let alone consistently.

Also, hopefully someone on here can find the current stats on Wide open 3's league wide since I can only seem to find the player stats on it.

What are your guys' thoughts on this?

Thank you. Now tell it to the online goofeballs who think if a wide open three doesn’t go in, it’s “inaccurate” because “nBA pLaYeRs aRe aLll gOoD aT tHrEeS.”

Do these people ever watch games? Of course not. Just highlights. It’s mostly brick city from afar, even from Curry lately. But in 2K a wide open three is guaranteed.

[tru11]

Re: Last I Checked, The League is Shooting 37% on Wide Open 3s

At this point ive come to terms that 2K is just an arcade game.

You are better off shooting from half court then try and take post fades or hook shots lol




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[gu8lal8]

Re: Last I Checked, The League is Shooting 37% on Wide Open 3s

Oh trust me dude i lost hope that the online crowd would ever accept anything close to realistic when it comes to shooting a long time ago. In fact I've never had any. I'm speaking more in terms of offline mynba user vs CPU games. I know asking any universal changes is a lost cause, just user vs CPU with real fg % turned on

If you want CPU vs USER games with Real Player % for both:

Use default sliders with maxed out foul frequency sliders for CPU and USER. Max out FT Difficulty.

Change CPU Shot Timing Impact slider to 0.
It's a life changer, trust me.
It's the same as Real Player % for USER.

Controller settings:
Shot meter: OFF
Shot timing: Shots only
FT timing: Real FT %

[MrWrestling3]

Re: Last I Checked, The League is Shooting 37% on Wide Open 3s

You're fighting an age old battle since the implementation of green releases and Steph Curry "broke" NBA videogames. This current crop of gamers can't handle realistic shooting percentages. Before I stopped playing NBA 2K, there was one weekend in MyTeam Limited where you couldn't use a player with a 3PT rating above 85. That was the most fun that I had in a while when it came to H2H action, because every open 3PT shot was a guaranteed make, and people had to put in actual EFFORT in creating the best shot possible or available. Most of the Reddit users that weekend? They felt that it was the worse week ever for the Limited Mode.

Even peeking into the MyPark and REC threads...a player is basically considered a "bum" if they're shooting less than 90%. That's a shame. Even though I stopped playing, NBA 2K22 was a solid game, but I just got tired of the playing against the meta across all modes. I would still give the slight edge to NBA 2K11 as the GOAT for me due to the shooting percentages, and luckily it was before the rise of social media impacting the direction of the game.

Yes,unfortunately modern 2K games have become less of a recreation of the sport and more an Arcade/Mobile hybrid game with an NBA license; it can be made fairly sim but it requires a bit of "reverse engineering" as it were, and only works offline.

The game as it comes out of the box is designed for casual basketball fans who watch some highlights and think that Giannis dunks it over 3 people every possession, Steph takes 6 shots from 40+ feet every game and makes them all, Harden makes every stepback three, any one with decent handles is doing 15 dribble moves per possession like it's streetball without ever getting tired, and so on.

[Bahnzo]

Re: Last I Checked, The League is Shooting 37% on Wide Open 3s

Very true, but I'd also add that BADGES are a big part of the reason why NBA2k is in the state it's in, especially when it comes to MyTeam.

Badges turn normal players into superstars and superstars into invincible Hall of Famers. And with the ability to add badges to players, it means they are all badged up to the max with every "good" badge possible. There's no post game because of this, and every game is now turned into a 5-Out stepback 3 mode.

I've returned to just playing franchise after a couple months of watching MyTeam become more and more unlike anything resembling the NBA. Which is too bad, because I enjoy the card collecting aspect. It's just gotten out of hand.

[MrWrestling3]

Re: Last I Checked, The League is Shooting 37% on Wide Open 3s

Very true, but I'd also add that BADGES are a big part of the reason why NBA2k is in the state it's in, especially when it comes to MyTeam.

Badges turn normal players into superstars and superstars into invincible Hall of Famers. And with the ability to add badges to players, it means they are all badged up to the max with every "good" badge possible. There's no post game because of this, and every game is now turned into a 5-Out stepback 3 mode.

I've returned to just playing franchise after a couple months of watching MyTeam become more and more unlike anything resembling the NBA. Which is too bad, because I enjoy the card collecting aspect. It's just gotten out of hand.

True...the power creep effect from badges has slanted just about every mode, and especially My Team and My Players modes, in the direction of arcade antics. From that aspect those modes have turned into more of an e sports type game than a basketball game.

[ChaseB]

Re: Last I Checked, The League is Shooting 37% on Wide Open 3s

Haha psssst, let's go in the wayback machine to where I talked about this in 2016 multiple times:

https://forums.operationsports.com/f...undrum-part-1/

https://forums.operationsports.com/f...undrum-part-2/

But also the conundrum at the time that "real" Steph would destroy "video game" Steph because of the amount of silly shots he can make that you can't make in 2K.

Anyway, yeah, it's not a new issue, but from a video game theory perspective, it's not as simple to solve beyond removing green releases as step one of a larger rewrite you'd have to do of jump shooting overall.

[MrWrestling3]

Re: Last I Checked, The League is Shooting 37% on Wide Open 3s

Haha psssst, let's go in the wayback machine to where I talked about this in 2016 multiple times:

https://forums.operationsports.com/f...undrum-part-1/

https://forums.operationsports.com/f...undrum-part-2/

But also the conundrum at the time that "real" Steph would destroy "video game" Steph because of the amount of silly shots he can make that you can't make in 2K.

Anyway, yeah, it's not a new issue, but from a video game theory perspective, it's not as simple to solve beyond removing green releases as step one of a larger rewrite you'd have to do of jump shooting overall.

That's one of the things that bugs me as a defensive oriented player; there's plenty of times (especially inside) where I'm on a player of a similar size or smaller than me in what would be described as "Tight" or "Very Tight" defense and they're still nailing shots over my contests at like a 50% rate, I would assume it's because they have 15 different badges helping them make the shot. To me that's just mind bendingly annoying that I'm doing all the right things (plus I have defense badges) but guys can still score at an efficient rate because of finishing badges or whatever.

[loso_34]

Re: Last I Checked, The League is Shooting 37% on Wide Open 3s

Haha psssst, let's go in the wayback machine to where I talked about this in 2016 multiple times:

https://forums.operationsports.com/f...undrum-part-1/

https://forums.operationsports.com/f...undrum-part-2/

But also the conundrum at the time that "real" Steph would destroy "video game" Steph because of the amount of silly shots he can make that you can't make in 2K.

Anyway, yeah, it's not a new issue, but from a video game theory perspective, it's not as simple to solve beyond removing green releases as step one of a larger rewrite you'd have to do of jump shooting overall.

Interesting so nba players shot 38% on open 3’s in 2016 and I recall reading it was 39% last season. I think they were heading in the right direction from 2k20-21 but decided to reward open shots this year.

The park/rec crowd feel every contest should be a miss.

[loso_34]

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It’s time they separate the my career mode from the nba side of things. That OP open bonus shouldn’t exist outside of my career. These devs have access to the same data if this game is marketed as a sim then the stats should reflect it.

[Real2KInsider]

Re: Last I Checked, The League is Shooting 37% on Wide Open 3s

It's a video game. Results need to be consistent & repeatable, and less reliant on luck.

Imagine in Street Fighter if 20-hit combos only landed 37% of the time. Or how infuriating it would be if headshots in a shooter only registered randomly.

Basketball games are primarily about generating (and preventing) quality shots. Generally, the team that executes better is going to win the game, because they're going to overcome shooting variance over a long period of time - that's the kicker that a lot of people don't seem to understand.

Luck-adjusted data, developed by Nathan Walker, is used to adjusted for factors that are out of an individual team or player’s control. For instance, free throw shooting and three point shooting can cause wide variance in the specific ratings, but in studies it has been shown that teams and players have limited control over makes or misses.

There-in lies a dilemma from a game design perspective. In a 48-minute game these variables are leveling out, but <1% of players are playing 48 minute games in 2K.

That is not what Park etc are. There should be as little variance as possible in quick-hitter competitive modes.

[jk31]

Re: Last I Checked, The League is Shooting 37% on Wide Open 3s

Haha psssst, let's go in the wayback machine to where I talked about this in 2016 multiple times:

https://forums.operationsports.com/f...undrum-part-1/

https://forums.operationsports.com/f...undrum-part-2/

But also the conundrum at the time that "real" Steph would destroy "video game" Steph because of the amount of silly shots he can make that you can't make in 2K.

Anyway, yeah, it's not a new issue, but from a video game theory perspective, it's not as simple to solve beyond removing green releases as step one of a larger rewrite you'd have to do of jump shooting overall.

and thats exactly the point i want to see in the future. at least as an option. why not give us an option in the controller or game settings (please let us apply that to online leagues too, if we want) to completely remove green releases from the game. let all those mypark kids have their shooting with 90 % from deep because of green releases. i don't care! but at least give us people who want a realistic game the option for that as the current system including green releases simply does not do that.