Stamina vs Fatigue rate

[CAN_JE]

Guys can you tell me the difference between those 2 sliders. Are they have influence on various things??
I want to see real rotations for CPU or maybe they are broken? F.e. Just played against Jazz, After 8 minutes of 1 quarter they subbed all their starting 5 at the same time..what the hell

I use stamina at 50 and fatigue at 55 for both CPU and user though.

[EccentricMeat]

Re: Stamina vs Fatigue rate

Stamina controls how much total stamina a player has, and Fatigue Rate controls how quickly that stamina gets drained. I used the same values that you do in my slider set and I think most other slider sets do as well, so there hasn't been much work done on this aspect of gameplay yet.

[schnaidt1]

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sounds like you have some issues with how rotation is set up. i can help you with your lineup.

if you want one for other teams you need a custom roster

[savantopus]

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So what would happen if we had Stamina at 100 and Fatigue rate also at 100? would they still get tired? I'm wondering because I noticed that the big men always get much more tired than the small guys... and i think its a bit exaggerated... unrealistic.

[schnaidt1]

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no if you did that players would play for forever. if u want players to come out more lower fatigue

[JasonWilliams55]

Re: Stamina vs Fatigue rate

higher fatigue slider = higher energy drains
stamina slider higher = players can last longer

if you do both, i'd be interested on what happens, I suppose all player stamina ratings would max out at 99, wonder what fatigue at 99/100 would do. i would still think that they would get tired, but its kind of not necessary to do that though.

I play with 53 fatigue (hum) and 57 fatigue (cpu) with both staminas at 50 and I dont have any problems with it like that.

[CAN_JE]

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thank you all guys for answers!

schnaidt1, before the game I set up the following rotation for Utah:
Mo 33 minutes Tinsley 15
Foye 28 Hayword 26
Ma. Will 26 Carroll 16
Millsap 32 Favors 17
Big AL 32 Kanter 14

[schnaidt1]

Re: Stamina vs Fatigue rate

thank you all guys for answers!

schnaidt1, before the game I set up the following rotation for Utah:
Mo 33 minutes Tinsley 15
Foye 28 Hayword 26
Ma. Will 26 Carroll 16
Millsap 32 Favors 17
Big AL 32 Kanter 14

there is your problem. okay what i do an get great results is this.

go through an set your starting 5 minutes. take not of minutes played. ex if u are on 10 min quarters you will prolly have mo and big al at playing 30 min.

anywho what i do then is check how many minutes are left over for each position. if i have 12 minutes played for my back up pg. thats how much tinsley would get.

i notice right of the bat your minutes with each position do not match up well at all. i know you want carrol to play a lot of both sg/sf off the bench. but you can see with ur set up will not add up very well.

your post players look well distributed but your pg an sg an sf do not

[CAN_JE]

Re: Stamina vs Fatigue rate

there is your problem. okay what i do an get great results is this.

go through an set your starting 5 minutes. take not of minutes played. ex if u are on 10 min quarters you will prolly have mo and big al at playing 30 min.

anywho what i do then is check how many minutes are left over for each position. if i have 12 minutes played for my back up pg. thats how much tinsley would get.

i notice right of the bat your minutes with each position do not match up well at all. i know you want carrol to play a lot of both sg/sf off the bench. but you can see with ur set up will not add up very well.

your post players look well distributed but your pg an sg an sf do not

So how would you do distribute minutes for this team?

In game only Foye played more minutes than supposed to be (34) and respectively Hayward and Carroll played few less minutes than in rotation (21) and (14). In principle I'm satisfied with that but when I saw how CPU make subs.. it was rather strange. Subbing out whole 5 there and back again

[CAN_JE]

Re: Stamina vs Fatigue rate

higher fatigue slider = higher energy drains
stamina slider higher = players can last longer

if you do both, i'd be interested on what happens, I suppose all player stamina ratings would max out at 99, wonder what fatigue at 99/100 would do. i would still think that they would get tired, but its kind of not necessary to do that though.

I play with 53 fatigue (hum) and 57 fatigue (cpu) with both staminas at 50 and I dont have any problems with it like that.

Do you have rating changes for stamina attribute or use 2k's?

Am I need to adjust stamina/fatigue sliders when I change difficulty?

[schnaidt1]

Re: Stamina vs Fatigue rate

So how would you do distribute minutes for this team?

In game only Foye played more minutes than supposed to be (34) and respectively Hayward and Carroll played few less minutes than in rotation (21) and (14). In principle I'm satisfied with that but when I saw how CPU make subs.. it was rather strange. Subbing out whole 5 there and back again

the min played can get altered if u are in a close game down the stretch.

cpu will only do mass subs like that if there havent really been any fouls called. using a custom roster also helps negate that

mo- 36. tinsley-14
foye-30. hayward-16
williams-28. carrol- 18
milsap-34. favors- 14
jefferson-36. kanter- 14

[JasonWilliams55]

Re: Stamina vs Fatigue rate

Do you have rating changes for stamina attribute or use 2k's?

Am I need to adjust stamina/fatigue sliders when I change difficulty?

2k's and I don't think you need to adjust for diff. levels.

[CAN_JE]

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And does the Use bench slider in coach profile have influence on gameplay? Or only in simulated games?

[savantopus]

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And does the Use bench slider in coach profile have influence on gameplay? Or only in simulated games?

Good question.

[savantopus]

Re: Stamina vs Fatigue rate

higher fatigue slider = higher energy drains
stamina slider higher = players can last longer

if you do both, i'd be interested on what happens, I suppose all player stamina ratings would max out at 99, wonder what fatigue at 99/100 would do. i would still think that they would get tired, but its kind of not necessary to do that though.

I play with 53 fatigue (hum) and 57 fatigue (cpu) with both staminas at 50 and I dont have any problems with it like that.

Alright so I did a little experimenting. I started by raising both the Fatigue and the Stamina to 100. They still get tired... I dont remember exactly how much they fatigued at what time ratio but what I found is I actually like raising the the Stamina to 55 and lowering the Fatigue to 50. The reason being: I noticed in 2K they make the big guys tire wwaaaayy to fast. Unproportionally fast. Unbalanced. So raising this to 55 still gives some advantage to the elite players who have high stamina but not so much as to give too much of a disadvantage so that it doesn't change the dynamics of the game too much.

Also another important point I noticed: players don't actually receive a ratings slash or lowering until about the 75 fatigue point. So when they're at 75 their ratings begin to get lowered. So I used this as my judgement point. We will see players get the most tired around the middle to end of the 4th quarter correct?? So with Stamina at 55 and Fatigue at 50 (playing on 12 minute quarters) players are still getting to the 55 and 60 points of fatigue at that time, which means they are losing ratings when they should be. Look to call a time-out during this time.