Defense in 2k10 really represents TODAY NBA STYLE

[CoHouse2814]

people here crying about defense is really not paying attention to the NBA hard. i think people dont want a simulation sports game, just a game that has the sport in it. defense has changed in the NBA, alot of defense are build around leaving assignments and closing out fast scheme.

many people here complain that players not staying on there man in 2k10. well in order to reflect REAL LIFE DEFENSE they have to follow suit. if anyone is watching the bulls and spurs game and just watch how BOTH teams play. you tell me just how close other players are from there assignment beside the ball handler majority of the time they are not even guarding them up close especially when they are not moving

i believe 2k is in a lose-lose situation. they try to capture TRUE LIFE styles but the consumers dont respect how the NBA plays

[STLRams]

Re: Defense in 2k10 really represents TODAY NBA STYLE

Unlike real life in 2K10 its to easy to pass in the paint in score, scoring in the paint is to easy. Also the user should have the ability to have more or total control of defensive assignments, double teams, help defense etc, and a players defensive movements. But I see what your saying though by watching the game tonight.

[Matt23134]

Re: Defense in 2k10 really represents TODAY NBA STYLE

Unlike real life in 2K10 its to easy to pass in the paint in score, scoring in the paint is to easy. Also the user should have the ability to have more or total control of defensive assignments, double teams, help defense etc, and a players defensive movements. But I see what your saying though by watching the game tonight.

Hopefully the easy points in the paint will be fixed, as 2K claims.

[CoHouse2814]

Re: Defense in 2k10 really represents TODAY NBA STYLE

i never said it perfect but that point in the paint is because VIDEO GAME Basketball are missing the MOST KEY COMPONENT in REAL NBA defense

COMMUNICATION. 2k and EA has to composite for that somehow and i wish i new the answer to that

[StankonYa]

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Yeah you have a good point there, but that's mostly old school cats like myself, whom when up against a good team ......loves the challenge of shutting em' down!!......if at all possible. OTB you'll be hard pressed to shutdown any team(Celts vs B-Cats anyone

In todays nba, you don't see that type of thing happen as much, but for a video game ........ it would be nice to see all that hard defensive work, you put in mean something.

[CoHouse2814]

Re: Defense in 2k10 really represents TODAY NBA STYLE

Yeah you have a good point there, but that's mostly old school cats like myself, whom when up against a good team ......loves the challenge of shutting em' down!!......if at all possible. OTB you'll be hard pressed to shutdown any team(Celts vs B-Cats anyone

In todays nba, you don't see that type of thing happen as much, but for a video game ........ it would be nice to see all that hard defensive work, you put in mean something.

even the celtics does this style and they do it the most because they close out fast and have great defensive communication. video games cant replicate the communication aspect of real NBA so they just do the best they can

[qpc123]

Re: Defense in 2k10 really represents TODAY NBA STYLE

I think you're right. But if to really reflect that game style out of the box they would have to tune the shooting way down, and I think we know how that would go over with the general public. So its a catch 22. Simulate real NBA(looks wise), yet keep it video gamey enough for a 10 year old to play and enjoy.

[DayZ]

Re: Defense in 2k10 really represents TODAY NBA STYLE

I dont think the REAL RON ARTEST can be beaten on a backdoor cut by SCOLA


not once, not twice, but 60% of the time during a game


its close but still has the bugs like everyone says

[TheSolutionKMH]

Re: Defense in 2k10 really represents TODAY NBA STYLE

I think you're right. But if to really reflect that game style out of the box they would have to tune the shooting way down, and I think we know how that would go over with the general public. So its a catch 22. Simulate real NBA(looks wise), yet keep it video gamey enough for a 10 year old to play and enjoy.

totally agree with ya. with my slider tweaks 2k10 replicate real life so vicious its also put me in tears. still i do need the 2k10 patch to fix my player mode clone and coach settings not saving and those little gameplay annoyances and this my friend is the greatest simulation game PERIOD

2k is really in a lose-lose situation but they do there job and thats replicated the NBA to the greatest details

[Sovartus]

Re: Defense in 2k10 really represents TODAY NBA STYLE

I have noticed this too and I think 2K did a great job of capturing this style of defense but like the other poster said, open shots are way too easy to knock down in this game. Teams in the NBA average between 40% and 50% from the field. This doesn't happen in 2K unless you adjust sliders. Adjusting the shooting sliders also creates some "dumb misses". Things that miss that simply shouldn't.

This doesn't take into consideration that you can just rapid fire passes into the paint and score really easy. The game should be able to recognize when someone is playing lock down D on someone and make everyone else stay home unless the guy gets beat. 2K doesn't do that and I hope they can fix it. I'm ok with all of the help defense but not with the fact that the help runs all the way around the help situation and tries to position between the ball and the basket. That is ridiculous and can't happen because it makes the game almost unplayable at times.

[Steven123]

Re: Defense in 2k10 really represents TODAY NBA STYLE

Watch the Nuggets vs Blazers game and tell me you honestly believe the defense inst broken

[tril]

Re: Defense in 2k10 really represents TODAY NBA STYLE

I have noticed this too and I think 2K did a great job of capturing this style of defense but like the other poster said, open shots are way too easy to knock down in this game. Teams in the NBA average between 40% and 50% from the field. This doesn't happen in 2K unless you adjust sliders. Adjusting the shooting sliders also creates some "dumb misses". Things that miss that simply shouldn't.

This doesn't take into consideration that you can just rapid fire passes into the paint and score really easy. The game should be able to recognize when someone is playing lock down D on someone and make everyone else stay home unless the guy gets beat. 2K doesn't do that and I hope they can fix it. I'm ok with all of the help defense but not with the fact that the help runs all the way around the help situation and tries to position between the ball and the basket. That is ridiculous and can't happen because it makes the game almost unplayable at times.

If you are a software company making and marketing a bball game, youd want the shooting %'s, flashy passes, etc to be higher than the normal %.

that's how you capture a casual fan, and new entrants into purchasing these games. the casual gamer and younger audience is larger than the hard core sim-head audience/customer.

believe it or not most gamers want the dunks, and high shooting %. they want highlights. that's what casual sports fans and gamers remember.

Customization, which is the path that 2k follows is the right approach.

believe it or not, there's only a handful of us true sim heads, and most of us visit websites like these.

watching the NBA, I can honestly say that 2k really does a good job capturing the atmosphere and game-play of the NBA.

Defense exists in this title, its all about adjustments, there arent only adjustments in the slider set, but during game play. folks need to utilize these features more.
subbing a good defensive player, subbing players to counter attack the AI's subs, etc all exist in this game, just like the NBA.

knowing when to double team, knowing when to play deny defense, call timeouts, etc.

this game can be a chess match. and the fun thing about it is, you can customize the game to make it as difficult as you want.

[magicman32]

Re: Defense in 2k10 really represents TODAY NBA STYLE

If you are a software company making and marketing a bball game, youd want the shooting %'s, flashy passes, etc to be higher than the normal %.

that's how you capture a casual fan, and new entrants into purchasing these games. the casual gamer and younger audience is larger than the hard core sim-head audience/customer.

believe it or not most gamers want the dunks, and high shooting %. they want highlights. that's what casual sports fans and gamers remember.

Customization, which is the path that 2k follows is the right approach.

believe it or not, there's only a handful of us true sim heads, and most of us visit websites like these.

watching the NBA, I can honestly say that 2k really does a good job capturing the atmosphere and game-play of the NBA.

Defense exists in this title, its all about adjustments, there arent only adjustments in the slider set, but during game play. folks need to utilize these features more.
subbing a good defensive player, subbing players to counter attack the AI's subs, etc all exist in this game, just like the NBA.

knowing when to double team, knowing when to play deny defense, call timeouts, etc.

this game can be a chess match. and the fun thing about it is, you can customize the game to make it as difficult as you want.

Couldn't have said it better myself. You would expect more ppl like you on this "hardcore site". I'm truly amazed at the amount of so called "gamers" that want the CPU to play this game for you instead of you playing the game yourself. I'd rather make the adjustments than have the cpu baby sit me on defense. I read one guy who claimed he was a hardcore gamer, complain that actually switching from player to player off ball was annoying. Cats would rather have an unrealistic steal and collision animation to keep you out of the paint and claim it's the "best gameplay ever". LOL Or a point guard blocking a center to keep the scores and stats more realistic like the the game is scripted.

2k10 is the most realistic game on the market when adjusted and played the right way. And not that many adjustments are need to get this game to play realistic. Hopefully the patch can fix most of the bugs and not create new ones. Even with the bugs, this is still an great game. My player mode is in it's first year and could be improved upon as well. But it is a great addictive feature also. Excellent post.

[INVALID]

Re: Defense in 2k10 really represents TODAY NBA STYLE

people here crying about defense is really not paying attention to the NBA hard. i think people dont want a simulation sports game, just a game that has the sport in it. defense has changed in the NBA, alot of defense are build around leaving assignments and closing out fast scheme.

many people here complain that players not staying on there man in 2k10. well in order to reflect REAL LIFE DEFENSE they have to follow suit. if anyone is watching the bulls and spurs game and just watch how BOTH teams play. you tell me just how close other players are from there assignment beside the ball handler majority of the time they are not even guarding them up close especially when they are not moving

i believe 2k is in a lose-lose situation. they try to capture TRUE LIFE styles but the consumers dont respect how the NBA plays

Since I'm consumer and you're the analyst. Please explain how this is NBA defense. These all were taken within moments of one another.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRIwwwbUuho

Settings:
Man to man
Help defense - 20
zero double team
zero zone


Since I just turned off the game and this thread was the first related to my issue, here I am for an answer.

[Kaanyr Vhok]

Re: Defense in 2k10 really represents TODAY NBA STYLE

In real life teams break their back to prevent Oden from catching the ball near the basket. In 2k10...

In real life when teams try to score inside there are lots of fouls, and more blocks. In 2k10...

Really I get the point they do sag and give up shots in both the game and reality but the thing is they sag to protect the paint in real life and they aren't facing a league where every player has an incredible jump hook.