Some info for those of you that like to go deep into your Association.....

**CWSapp757** · 10-04-2011, 02:07 AM

Re: Some info for those of you that like to go deep into your Association.....

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- Lebron James won the MVP award five years in a row before Stephen Curry finally broke his streak.

- It appears you can’t skip David Stern’s little speech at the beginning of the draft. It was cool the first time, but now it is just annoying.

- I didn’t do a lot of testing, but there appears to still be a small issue with centers and their tendencies. Some of the higher rated rookie centers I came across had a shot tendency of like 35 and lower. I’ll have to look more in to that though.

- 2K really believes in Ricky Rubio. As I stated earlier, he gets pretty high up there in rating. The highest that I saw him rated was a 93 and I believe it was his fifth year in.

- As many people have already stated, you cannot change the age of players (NBA or D-League). However, you can lower the age of rookies BEFORE the draft.

- Speaking of age, you’re going to want to edit those rookies either before or right after the draft cause I had a draft where the top 4 guys were 23, 23, 24 and 24 years old respectively. That’s just a little too old for my taste.

- Trade logic during the draft seemed a little off. I can’t recall the exact trades but there were a few that I know for a fact would never go down in real life.

- One of the things that I am really happy about is that the top players are being signed during the free agency period. During the first five years that I simulated, the highest rated player at the beginning of any season was a 71 overall. However, in the latter years, I saw players rated in the high 70s and a couple 80 overall players in the pool. However, this can be attributed to the huge increase of players in the 80-99 range.

- I think the best news of all is that through all the years that I checked, no team stacked up on superstars at the same position. The closest thing to it was the 76ers having Evan Turner and some other SG that were both rated 84 and I can definitely live with that.

Alright fellas, off to sleep. Gotta start on these draft classes tomorrow. Peace.

**bfrombleacher** · 10-04-2011, 02:15 AM

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Good job. Can't wait till I get it.

P.S. If you have time please do more tests. Much appreciated.

**kjjnesb** · 10-04-2011, 02:17 AM

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This all sounds fantastic my only complaint would be the age editing but teams not staking up at one position is awesome

**morningstar777** · 10-04-2011, 02:20 AM

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Derrick Rose isn't top 10 in scoring 5 years from now but he leads the league 10 years from now? Was he hurt?

**Hotobu** · 10-04-2011, 02:21 AM

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Aside from what you pointed out I'd like to know where the hell Kevin Love is in the rebounding. If anyone should have maxed out numbers it's him.

**morningstar777** · 10-04-2011, 02:23 AM

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Derrick Rose isn't top 10 in scoring 5 years from now but he leads the league 10 years from now? Was he hurt?

Edit: No he wasn't, I see him in the assist column

**CWSapp757** · 10-04-2011, 02:23 AM

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Originally posted by morningstar777

Derrick Rose isn't top 10 in scoring 5 years from now but he leads the league 10 years from now? Was he hurt?

Damn. That's a good question man. I was so busy just writing down the stats that I didn't even realize that Rose was no where to be found in the top 10 scoring during that season. That is a little odd.

**houston911** · 10-04-2011, 02:26 AM

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2k needs to put caps on player ratings

if you do an association for 4 or 5 years, you might see 6 or 7 players with a 99 rating

there isn't a single player right now with a 99 rating though

only the future legend type players should be able to hit a rating of 95 and above

guys like oj mayo should never have a rating of 90+, but with 2k progressions he will

trade logic sucks too. you can trade 2 second rounders for a lottery pick. game doesnt recognize the value of high draft picks

**raidertiger** · 10-04-2011, 03:02 AM

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Can you say who won the titles? It better not be a Heat fest like last year. Did a team like the Warriors/Clippers/Nets/Jazz win the championship at any stage?

**SwaggerCoach** · 10-04-2011, 03:43 AM

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First of all, thank you so much for sharing these insights...I know it took a good chunk of time to sit through those seasons and write it all down.

Glad to know CPU teams aren't stockpiling certain positions anymore...that is a huge relief!

**Pitfighter87** · 10-04-2011, 04:03 AM

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Originally posted by CWSapp757

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Let me say that I have an obsession with this game and the bulk of that obsession comes from my love for Association mode. I always develop several draft classes each year that will add more realism to the already marvelous mode. So as usual, I did some simulating and studying before I even took the time to play the actual game. Below are some interesting things I have found. Draw whatever conclusions you may from this info, but I simply wanted to put it out there for everyone.

For me, it is important that the balance of the out of the box roster is in tune (or at least close to being in tune) with the roster as your Association progresses. Below is a brief count of how many players fall into the top 3 rating categories when you first begin your Association. Keep in mind that I did this with player roles and chemistry off so that I could get there actual rating without any other variables.

90 and up overall players - 9

80 and up overall players- 36

70 and up overall players - 113

Now, below is the top 10 in scoring, rebounding and assists after simulating the first year of an Association.

Points
Kevin Durant - 30.9
Derrick Rose - 29.5
Lebron James - 28.9
Monta Ellis - 28.8
Kobe Bryant - 27.6
Amare Stoudemire - 27.6
Carmelo Anthony - 25.0
Dirk Nowitzki - 25.0
Russell Westbrook - 24.8
Dwayne Wade - 23.0

Rebounds
Dwight Howard - 12.5
Blake Griffin - 11.0
Kris Humphries - 10.3
Emeka Okafor - 10.1
Marcin Gortat - 10.0
Chuck Hayes - 10.0
Zach Randolph - 9.8
Kevin Garnett - 9.7
Dejuan Blair - 9.7
Anderson Varejao - 9.5

Assists
Jason Kidd - 10.4
Rajon Rondo - 9.9
Chauncey Billups - 7.0
Kyle Lowry - 6.9
Russell Westbrook - 6.8
John Wall - 6.8
Luke Ridnour - 6.8
Raymond Felton - 6.8
Ty Lawson - 6.5
Jose Calderon - 6.3

Scoring looks very good. Rebounds and assists look a tad low but not too bad I suppose. Now fast forward four years.

Nov 1 2015

90 and up overall players - 13

80 and up overall players - 60

70 and up overall players - 111

I think it is important to note that while the number of players with an overall of 90 or higher increased by only 4, the number of 80 and up players almost doubled. Let’s look at the stats after the 2015-2016 season.

Top scorers
Kevin Durant - 26.2
Amare Stoudemire - 25.4
John Wall - 24.3
Lebron James - 23.0
Jordan Crawford - 22.4
Brandon Jennings - 21.0
Chad Valentine - 21.0 New Orleans SG that they took with the 2nd overall pick after they lost Chris Paul
Russell Westbrook - 20.5
Blake Griffen - 20.3

Rebounders
Blake Griffin - 11.7
Andrew Bynum - 11.3
Dejuan Blair - 10.8
Greg Monroe - 10.7
Kevin Love - 10.7
Al Horford - 10.6
Andrew Bogut - 10.1
Joakim Noah - 10.1
Amare Stoudemire - 9.7
Patrick Patterson - 9.5

Assists
Rajon Rondo - 9.5
Mike Conley - 7.8
Chris Paul - 7.7
Brandon Jennings - 7.6
Kyle Lowry - 7.2
Russell Westbrook - 7.2
DJ Augustin - 7.2
Dick Welsch - 6.8 2nd year computer generated PG that NO took number 2 overall
Derrick Rose - 6.7
Jonny Flynn - 6.4

Stats for rebounds and assist did not seem to change much but scoring did appear to take a slight dip. Last, we will look at the 2019 – 2020 season data and stats.

Nov 1 2019

90 and up overall players - 22, 13 real players and 9 computer generated rookies

80 and up overall players - 62, 29 real players and 23 computer generated rookies

70 and up overall players - 114

Scorers
Derrick Rose - 26.5
Kevin Durant - 23.1
Stephen Curry - 22.3
Russell Westbrook - 20.8
Lebron James - 20.5
John Wall - 20.4
Eric Gordon - 19.9
Brandon Jennings - 19.7
Rodrigue Beaubois - 19.3
Brook Lopez - 18.7

Rebounds
Jamaal Columbus - 11.8
Geoffrey Ray - 11.6
Anton Gornev - 11.3
Antonis Patsatzoglou - 11.3
Carlton Daley - 11.1
Taylor Campbell - 10.9
Greg Monroe - 10.7
Lonnie Posey - 10.6
Sidney Pollard - 10.2
Blake Griffin - 10.1

Assists
Jackson Jefferson - 8.5
Chris Paul - 8.5
Brandon Jennings - 7.4
Rajon Rondo - 7.2
Dick Welsch - 7.1
DJ Augustin - 7.0
Lebron James - 6.9
John Wall - 6.9
Ricky Rubio (93 overall... go figure) - 6.7
Stephen Curry - 6.5

Obviously I haven’t taken the time to do multiple tests, but this brief simulation shows that in the later years of Association, the amount of 80-99 rated players will double (or close to it). I’m glad to see that this does not have a visible effect on rebounds and assists, but it does seem to have an effect on scoring. In my opinion, there are two things that should be done to prevent this. First, potential should be lowered across the board. Secondly, draft classes need to be edited to prevent the computer from giving you draft classes with too many highly rated players and too many players with very high potential.

Well, that’s all I have for now guys. Hopefully, you got something enjoyment out of it. If not, thanks for reading anyway.

You just talked me into buyin a copy.Im hopen im not jumpin into quick but you hit on alot of things i was worried about.Sounds like if you make your own draft classes you should be ok with the amount of stars and superstars.

So glad that as of now your not seein teams stackin on one position too.Ive been thinkin they left the mode alone this whole time maybe they didnt add anything new but they fixed some problems that us true association guys have been worryin about.Again,i hope im not jumpin back onboard to soon but dam it if nothin bad comes out by tommorrow night im buyin i cant help it.

**Starwipe** · 10-04-2011, 04:29 AM

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Dwight Howard (who is 25) went from leading the league in rebounding to not even in the top 10 4 years later. Did he die?

**juduking** · 10-04-2011, 04:29 AM

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Thanks for the time and info taken. My biggest gripe last year was too many highly rated FA's just sitting in the pool. Second biggest was great players at the same position on the same team. Im glad to see that has been fixed for the most part.

**bfrombleacher** · 10-04-2011, 04:46 AM

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Originally posted by Starwipe

Dwight Howard (who is 25) went from leading the league in rebounding to not even in the top 10 4 years later. Did he die?

Sim seems improved but not perfect for sure. Everybody gets 10 rebounds a game. I heard somewhere on OS before that too many rebounds are a problem when you Sim games in the association.

More repetitions would be nice. If others with the game would take half an hour to do this then we'd have a pretty good sample.

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