1-3-1 zone is cheese.

**SteboSSK** · 10-31-2011, 09:46 AM

Re: 1-3-1 zone is cheese.

No its not, the outside and midway jumper kills this zone...stop labeling everything a little challenging cheese...

**Pezell04x** · 10-31-2011, 10:06 AM

Re: 1-3-1 zone is cheese.

Originally posted by ManiacMatt1782

The defense is WAY too overpowered. It clogs a lot of passing lanes. You can't entry pass to the low post (what is supposed to be this defenses biggest weakness, due to a glitch not allowing post players to posture up to receive a post entry pass. Your only options are forget plays, and icon lead pass to your wings towards the corners, and shoot, or pump and go and pray the call a foul when the help defense smothers you as you go to the rack. You have to play unrealistically up tempo to even have a shot vs this d. 1-3-1 is cheddar city till the low post pass issues are fixed.

So don't work the post. Mid range jumpers all day.

**Colts18** · 10-31-2011, 10:27 AM

Re: 1-3-1 zone is cheese.

Google search how to beat the 1-3-1 zone and you will see how it can be beat.

We do need zone offenses in this game though

**Kingofthecouch** · 10-31-2011, 11:03 AM

Re: 1-3-1 zone is cheese.

I cant remember ever seeing an NBA team run a 1-3-1 zone.
I would be in favor of removing the 1-3-1 zone and adding match up defenses like the 2-3 match up defense or even adding the 1-3-1 match up defense.

The 1-3-1 zone in this game is not implemented properly and is used as a crutch especially on higher difficulty levels. You should be able to break this zone down with a high/low game, or by feeding the high post and forcing double team help from wings then swinging the ball to the open perimeter guy, but with the super AI being able deflect passes on post entry and swinging the ball (especially to the weak side) if the wing player is open is damn near impossible.

**BOSsTOwN** · 10-31-2011, 11:23 AM

Re: 1-3-1 zone is cheese.

^^

.................... the mavs throw out a 1 3 1 sometimes......................................... ..

**basketballfreak24** · 10-31-2011, 11:49 AM

Re: 1-3-1 zone is cheese.

wow...OP...with the 3pt shooting the way it is. really? when u see zone, your eyes should light up in anticipation of how many easy buckets and open shots u about to get.

**TheKasmar** · 10-31-2011, 12:13 PM

Re: 1-3-1 zone is cheese.

The 1-3-1 has been the go to defense for years in 2k. This defense is difficult to break against users who know how to run it. They are doing alot more than simply calling 1-3-1. They are actively moving their players into the proper spots creating turnovers and swarming to shooters. I dont think its cheese, but it's annoying to see how fast certain defenders can recover, slide across the floor, and deflect floaty passes.

**ManiacMatt1782** · 10-31-2011, 12:22 PM

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I can't bring myself to chuck careless 3's, even if they are successful. And the spots to attack 131, are in the low post, which if you read the original post, is broken, or go high tempo 1 pass to the wing and chuck a 3 or pump and drive instead of the 3, but if you want to work clock and feed the ball low where the defense is supposed to be weak. The play unrealistically breaks the play as the low post man stands there with his thumb up his *** not looking for a pass at all. If you try to pass it will be wildly inaccurate because he is not ready for it. You can beat a 1-3-1, but not in a realistic manner, you almost have to cheese yourself to beat it. I know how to beat it, but it makes me play every game like the old mike d'antoni coached suns. Unlike the my man da czar says, to beat a 131, to have to play videogames, because playing basketball doesn't work. And for that reason, the 131 is cheddar city.

**TheKasmar** · 10-31-2011, 12:40 PM

Re: 1-3-1 zone is cheese.

If post game isnt going to work you have other options.

You can attack the weak spots of the 1-3-1 which is those baseline jumpers with a PF or C.

Pick and roll/pop can allow penatration to the rack for shots outside or a dish down low.

The ways to attack it are just adjustments to what your opponent is doing.

**younggrease** · 10-31-2011, 01:06 PM

Re: 1-3-1 zone is cheese.

Originally posted by ManiacMatt1782

I can't bring myself to chuck careless 3's, even if they are successful. And the spots to attack 131, are in the low post, which if you read the original post, is broken, or go high tempo 1 pass to the wing and chuck a 3 or pump and drive instead of the 3, but if you want to work clock and feed the ball low where the defense is supposed to be weak. The play unrealistically breaks the play as the low post man stands there with his thumb up his *** not looking for a pass at all. If you try to pass it will be wildly inaccurate because he is not ready for it. You can beat a 1-3-1, but not in a realistic manner, you almost have to cheese yourself to beat it. I know how to beat it, but it makes me play every game like the old mike d'antoni coached suns. Unlike the my man da czar says, to beat a 131, to have to play videogames, because playing basketball doesn't work. And for that reason, the 131 is cheddar city.

Weakest point in 1-3-1 is the short corner not the post. Maybe learn how to attack the zone before calling cheese. Seems like everything is cheese now to some people.

Use ball movement and the zone isn't an issue

**DukeC** · 10-31-2011, 01:19 PM

Re: 1-3-1 zone is cheese.

What he's trying to say is that the 1-3-1 completely glitches the post play. IT COMPLETELY BREAKS THE INTERACTION BETWEEN THE PLAYER AND THE DEFENDER.

If I manual call for my player to post up...HE SHOULD BE ABLE TO GATHER AND MAINTAIN POST POSITION. Making it ineffective by completely taking out 2 of your players(The PF and C) to the point where you are playing 3 on 5 is not fun. Nor is it sim. I could care less about ball movement, and yes you can attack the paint. THAT'S NOT THE POINT. The point is the fact you can't pass it into the low post. PERIOD.

Not like, you can't establish post position. You can't pass it down there, because IT WILL get stolen. EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.

If I can't pass it to my big man and make a quick move or drive to the basket then something is horrible wrong there. Yes, there are work-arounds, but NEVER, EVER, should I be forced to play 3 on 5 because you activated a 1-3-1 zone.

**Scrooge** · 10-31-2011, 01:24 PM

Re: 1-3-1 zone is cheese.

been breaking 1 3 1 zones with shooting big men since 2k9

always open on the sides

**ManiacMatt1782** · 10-31-2011, 01:30 PM

Re: 1-3-1 zone is cheese.

Originally posted by DukeC

What he's trying to say is that the 1-3-1 completely glitches the post play. IT COMPLETELY BREAKS THE INTERACTION BETWEEN THE PLAYER AND THE DEFENDER.

If I manual call for my player to post up...HE SHOULD BE ABLE TO GATHER AND MAINTAIN POST POSITION. Making it ineffective by completely taking out 2 of your players(The PF and C) to the point where you are playing 3 on 5 is not fun. Nor is it sim. I could care less about ball movement, and yes you can attack the paint. THAT'S NOT THE POINT. The point is the fact you can't pass it into the low post. PERIOD.

Not like, you can't establish post position. You can't pass it down there, because IT WILL get stolen. EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.

If I can't pass it to my big man and make a quick move or drive to the basket then something is horrible wrong there. Yes, there are work-arounds, but NEVER, EVER, should I be forced to play 3 on 5 because you activated a 1-3-1 zone.

Someone who gets it. It causes a glitch, it is an exploit until fixed.

**TheKasmar** · 10-31-2011, 01:37 PM

Re: 1-3-1 zone is cheese.

Originally posted by DukeC

What he's trying to say is that the 1-3-1 completely glitches the post play. IT COMPLETELY BREAKS THE INTERACTION BETWEEN THE PLAYER AND THE DEFENDER.

If I manual call for my player to post up...HE SHOULD BE ABLE TO GATHER AND MAINTAIN POST POSITION. Making it ineffective by completely taking out 2 of your players(The PF and C) to the point where you are playing 3 on 5 is not fun. Nor is it sim. I could care less about ball movement, and yes you can attack the paint. THAT'S NOT THE POINT. The point is the fact you can't pass it into the low post. PERIOD.

Not like, you can't establish post position. You can't pass it down there, because IT WILL get stolen. EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.

If I can't pass it to my big man and make a quick move or drive to the basket then something is horrible wrong there. Yes, there are work-arounds, but NEVER, EVER, should I be forced to play 3 on 5 because you activated a 1-3-1 zone.

You have to be at the right angle to pass the ball down low against zone. Even if the big man doesnt post up against the zone you can still sneak passes downlow and post him yourself either using post spin or the post drive. If they bring the double or triple team, then obviously you have to kick out to the wide open shooter. I dont doubt people's frustrations, but eliminating your opponents post/paint game and forcing him to shoot outside is a legit tatic.

1-3-1 zone is cheese.

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