Is the Self Alley-Oop an Issue?

[VDusen04]

I understand the logistics of the NBA 2K13 demo. We're likely dealing with a pro/casual setting. With that said, I'm wondering if others have been overly successful in the self-lob department. It seems as if nearly any time a user-controlled LeBron James or Kevin Durant finds some breathing room at the free throw line, a self-lob has a very high rate of success.

I'd imagine heightened difficulty would reduce the amount of times I could find myself semi-open at the free throw line. But as you can see in the video below, even when a defender appeared to be in position (Thabo Sefolosha in the 2nd and 3rd dunks), he slid backward to accommodate the slam. Should this maneuver be limited to fast break scenarios?

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[BRxSKINSx]

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I'm hoping they fix that.... I see it happening on a wide open fast break.... or even in the all star game like T-Mac.... But for it to continue to happen in the game with defenders near you.... Shouldn't be happening..... shouldn't even be attempted honestly.....

[cavsfan2]

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Yeah I posted this in te impressions thread. Some dude did this to me in the halfcourt like 4 times and I couldn't stop it

[chandlerbang]

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I'm hoping they fix that.... I see it happening on a wide open fast break.... or even in the all star game like T-Mac.... But for it to continue to happen in the game with defenders near you.... Shouldn't be happening..... shouldn't even be attempted honestly.....

It will be exploited this year hopefully 2made it more difficult in retail

[Boge]

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How often do you ever see this in real life? A handful of times throughout the history of the NBA? It shouldn't even be in the game.

[VDusen04]

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How often do you ever see this in real life? A handful of times throughout the history of the NBA? It shouldn't even be in the game.

I believe it should be in the game, but the ability to pull it off should be severely limited. I feel only certain players should have the ability to attempt it, even if we go as far to only allow players who have actually done it in real life to be able to in-game, which would mean young T-Mac, VC, and JaVale McGee. And I feel it should almost exclusively be available on a fast break. Even then, if any opponent is in the area code of the play, there should be a high failure rate.

I understand the rarity makes folks believe it has no place being in a video game, but I personally like when rare moments are accounted for in video games. Sometimes, it just seems tough to take something so rare in real life and have it be just as rare in a video game.

[DamnYanks2]

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Shouldn't even be in the game, yea it would be cool to see once in a blue moon, but it's one of those things better left off the game. Nobody does this successfully, I just hope it's extremely easy to bat the ball away or disrupt,

Some players like Lebron are super athletic and gifted, but 2k gives some of these guys dunking abilities that are better left on a game like NBA Street.

[VDusen04]

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Shouldn't even be in the game, yea it would be cool to see once in a blue moon, but it's one of those things better left off the game. Nobody does this successfully, I just hope it's extremely easy to bat the ball away or disrupt,

Some players like Lebron are super athletic and gifted, but 2k gives some of these guys dunking abilities that are better left on a game like NBA Street.

What if it was only included in a dunk package specific to JaVale McGee and could only be executed when on a one-on-zero fast break?

[AllStarDaDon]

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I'm hoping they fix that.... I see it happening on a wide open fast break.... or even in the all star game like T-Mac.... But for it to continue to happen in the game with defenders near you.... Shouldn't be happening..... shouldn't even be attempted honestly.....

This. This. And. Even. More. This.

How often do you ever see this in real life? A handful of times throughout the history of the NBA? It shouldn't even be in the game.

I wouldn't go that far to say it shouldn't be in the game. It's dope that its in, but in the hands of the wrong player its going to get abused odddd.

I believe it should be in the game, but the ability to pull it off should be severely limited. I feel only certain players should have the ability to attempt it, even if we go as far to only allow players who have actually done it in real life to be able to in-game, which would mean young T-Mac, VC, and JaVale McGee. And I feel it should almost exclusively be available on a fast break. Even then, if any opponent is in the area code of the play, there should be a high failure rate.

I understand the rarity makes folks believe it has no place being in a video game, but I personally like when rare moments are accounted for in video games. Sometimes, it just seems tough to take something so rare in real life and have it be just as rare in a video game.

LeBron also did a few months ago in the All-Star game but only in the All-Star game.

It should be in cause Kope does this like 2-3 times a season, he doesn't dunk it but he usually lays it up or does a clutch layup(which is in the game with the self alley)

[DamnYanks2]

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What if it was only included in a dunk package specific to JaVale McGee and could only be executed when on a one-on-zero fast break?

But could they do that? I'm all for new dunk packages, but just watching that video, I hope it's on casual settigns, or low difficulty, I just don't want this to end up like the stupid spin dunk, where the defenders become helpless, and Lebron just magically does a slow spin and jams over everyone.

[Caveman24]

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if thats the demo isnt it set on Pro? I think on HOF this won't be an issue

[8KB24]

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It should be just McGee/Kobe and extremely athletic players with scoring touch or lack of IQ Like 95+ vertical, 90+ dunk, hands 85+...

[Streaky McFloorburn]

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The times it was done in the All-Star game were in traffic, so that alone doesn't make it unrealistic. The reason it worked is because no one expected it though, plus in All-Star games defenders are less likely to break something like that up, especially if the person attempting it is putting themselves at risk.

The best solution would be to have it like a reverse sig skill; for every attempted self-oop the entire opposing team's defensive awareness, block, and steal ratings get a 5 point boost for 2 minutes, with a stackable effect. This would simulate the team's decreased tolerance for BS. By attempting one, you'd be putting your team at a disadvantage for a few possessions. Sefolosha would have just snatched it out of the air the 2nd & 3rd times.

[KareemEasy]

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LeBron did that in the regular season too

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26YnWnwNmQo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=je08D...=results_video (waived off on that one because he traveled)

[VDusen04]

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But could they do that? I'm all for new dunk packages, but just watching that video, I hope it's on casual settigns, or low difficulty, I just don't want this to end up like the stupid spin dunk, where the defenders become helpless, and Lebron just magically does a slow spin and jams over everyone.

I don't think they could make that adjustment now. I was just posing a hypothetical for the future. I think an off-the-backboard pass has a place in NBA 2K, but I think its place might be in specific player's layup and dunk packages. I mentioned McGee and folks were correct in bringing up Kobe and LeBron. For those two, perhaps it could have been a part of a layup package, like Kobe's signature reverse pivot. Perhaps there'd be a specific area where, if either of those two perform an up-and-under, throwing it off the window for themselves for a layup (or maybe dunk for LeBron) would be a possibility.

If it were package-based, gamers would be free to add it to folks they may personally want to have that ability (say, if someone gets an urge to send Jamal Crawford back to his youth).

if thats the demo isnt it set on Pro? I think on HOF this won't be an issue

I could surely be wrong, but I feel like Hall of Fame may make it a little more difficult to get an open look around the free throw line. However, if a gamer is able to find that open look (on the run), the initiation and success of the self-alley seems pretty efficient. I don't feel like the defender being pushed back (Sefolosha in the first post) is going to suddenly draw correct contact just because the difficulty is increased.