Association Mode.... Looking Beyond Year 1

[CWSapp757]

Haloofduty has already been answering many of the questions that you all have had about the mode so I won't get in to much detail about that though. However, because I am a draft class creator I always sim very deep in to the Association to see what I need to correct and focus on with my draft classes. Wanted to share some things with you guys. First though, here are some stats and overalls for the 2015-2016 season:

Season of 2015-2016
Points per game
Russell Westbrook – 26.2
Deron Williams – 25.5
Derrick Rose – 25.4
Kevin Durant – 24.1
Klay Thompson – 22.4
Damian Lillard – 21.5
Michael Beasley – 21.3
Marcus Thornton – 21.1
Kevin Love – 21.1
Tyreke Evans – 21.0
Danny Granger – 21.0
Brook Lopez – 20.9
Brandon Jennings – 20.9
Carmelo Anthony – 20.6
Eric Gordon – 20.4
Brad Beal – 20.3

Rebounds per game
Greg Monreo – 12.2
Anthony Davis -11.1
Blake Griffin – 10.8
A.C. Elliot – 10.7 (rookie center 76 OVR)
Andrew Bynum – 10.4
Al Horford – 10.4
Kevin Love – 10.2
Taylor Beasley – 10.0 (rookie center 77 OVR, interestingly enough drafted 16th overall)
Anthony Randolph – 9.7
Demarcus Counsin – 9.4
Greg Oden – 9.3
Nikola Pekovic – 9.3
Marc Gasol – 9.3
Ersan Ilyasova – 9.0
Amare Stoudamire – 9.0

Assists Per Game
Deron Williams – 9.3
Ty Lawson – 9.3
Rajon Rondo – 8.9
John Wall -8.7
Mike Conley – 8.5
D.J. Augustin – 8.3
Goran Dragic – 8.3
Ricky Rubio – 8.3
Grant Reeves – 7.9 (3rd year point guard 89 OVR)
Leonard Lynch – 7.9 (3rd year point guard 82 OVR)
Jrue Holiday – 7.8
Brandon Jennings – 7.7
Derrick Rose – 7.6
Jonny Flynn – 7.4
Damian Lillard – 7.3
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Minutes Per Game
Derrick Rose – 38.6
Deron Williams – 38.4
Tyreke Evans – 37.7
Russell Westbrook – 37.6
Carmelo Anthony – 37.1
Ty Lawson – 36.7
Damian Lilliard – 36.6
Jonny Flynn – 36.5
Rajon Rondo – 36.5
D.J. Augustin – 36.4
Blake Griffin – 36.3
Evan Turner – 36.3
James Anderson – 36.1
Leonard Lynch – 36.0
Greg Monroe – 36.0
John Wall – 35.7
Tony Parker – 35.5
Goran Dragic – 35.3
Ramon Sessions – 35.2
Ricky Rubio 35.1

Top Ten Point Guards
John Wall/Wizards/25 Years Old/94 OVR
Russell Westbrook/Thunder/27 Years Old/94 OVR
Chris Paul/Pistons/30 Years Old/94 OVR
Derrick Rose/Bulls/27 Years Old/93 OVR
Ricky Rubio/TWolves/25 Years Old/91 OVR
Brandon Jennings/Bucks/26 Years Old/90 OVR
Kyrie Irving/Cavs/24 Years Old/90 OVR
Rajon Rondo/Celtics/30 Years Old/90 OVR
Deron Williams/Nets/31 Years Old/90 OVR
Grant Reeves(generated player)/Hornets/25 Years Old/89 OVR

Shooting Guards
Tyreke Evans/Kings/26 Years Old/91 OVR
Dwayne Wade/Heat/34 Years Old/91 OVR
Steve Bowman(generated player)/Wizards/25 Years Old/90 OVR
Bradley Beal/Wizards/22 Years Old/89 OVR
Keith McGuire(generated player)Cavs/23 Years Old/89 OVR
Evan Turner/Sixers/27 Years Old/87 OVR
Paul George/Pacers/25 Years Old/86 OVR
Demar Derozan/Raptors/26 Years Old/86 OVR
James Harden/TWolves/26 Years Old/86 OVR
Monta Ellis/Bucks/30 Years Old/86 OVR

Small Forwards
Lebron James/Heat/31 Years Old/98 OVR
Kevin Durant/Thunder/27 Years Old/96 OVR
Carmelo Anthony/Cavs/31 Years Old/92 OVR
Rudy Gay/Grizzlies/29 Years Old/87 OVR
Andre Igoudala/Hawks/32 Years Old/87 OVR
Michael Beasley/Suns/27 Years Old/86 OVR
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist/22 Years Old/84 OVR
Danilo Gallinari/Nuggets/27 Years Old/84 OVR
Harrison Barnes/Warriors/24 Years Old/83 OVR
Kawhi Leonard/Spurs/24 Years Old/83 OVR

Power Forwards
Blake Griffin/Clippers/27 Years Old/91 OVR
Kevin Love/TWolves/27 Years Old/90 OVR
Derrick Favors/Jazz/24 Years Old/89 OVR
Josh Smith/Hawks/30 Years Old/87 OVR
LaMarcus Aldridge/Blazers/30 Years Old/86 OVR
Derrick Williams/TWolves/24 Years Old/85 OVR
Anthony Randolph/Nuggets/26 Years Old/85 OVR
Thomas Robinson/Kings/25 Years Old/84 OVR
Patrick Patterson/Rockets/27 Years Old/83 OVR
Jonathon Davis/Mavs/23 Years Old/82 OVR

Center
Dwight Howard/Lakers/30 Years Old/95 OVR
Anthony Davis/Hornets/23 Years Old/93 OVR
Demarcus Cousins/Kings/25 Years Old/93 OVR
Andrew Bynum/Sixers/28 Years Old/89 OVR
Greg Monroe/Pistons/25 Years Old/86 OVR
Darryl McLeod/Bobcats/24 Years Old/84 OVR
Al Jefferson/Jazz/31 Years Old/84 OVR
Brook Lopez/Nets/28 Years Old/84 OVR
Al Horford/Hawks/29 Years Old/82 OVR
Greg Oden/Nets/28 Years Old/81 OVR

[CWSapp757]

Re: Association Mode.... Looking Beyond Year 1

Something else I noticed and wanted to share:
- 2K stated that they worked on better draft classes but it appears to be much of the same. Point guards still rarely have above a 70 in three point shooting, there are no three point shooting big men, tendencies do not match a player's skill set, players still look mega generic, and to be honest most of the classes are just stupid overrated.

[CWSapp757]

Re: Association Mode.... Looking Beyond Year 1

Ill post a little more in a bit.

[SwaggerCoach]

Re: Association Mode.... Looking Beyond Year 1

CW,

What's up man? Glad to know you're right on point with 2K13...you have the game so far?!?!

Dude...holding out on me lol.

Good insight so far. Could you let me know who wins the NBA championship 4-5 years in the future...I'm curious to see if weaker teams are still upsetting rosters stacked with talent.

[vtcrb]

Re: Association Mode.... Looking Beyond Year 1

Great Post CW. I look forward to more of the info. You can post what I asked you in PM here if you want. I am sure the community would like it as well.

[vtcha]

Re: Association Mode.... Looking Beyond Year 1

I hope the tendencies are fixed. Wouldn't want any more big men shooting 3's, unless they have a decent 3pt rating of course.

[Sneakurs]

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Wow, look at those overalls. Doesn't look like the potential system has changed.

[SwaggerCoach]

Re: Association Mode.... Looking Beyond Year 1

Yeah, it looks like we're on our own tweaking potential ratings or download rosters...which I really don't mind that much.

Also, CW, from what you can tell, how is CPU trading this year? Still just as stupid as always, or are they more realistic?

[achieveduser]

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Hey CWSwapp. I hope all is good with you.

When do you think we can expect draft class #1 by you? I'm going with default roster this year but I was really hoping you would make fictional draft class. If you are planning to do it again this year, I'm going to wait till you release #1.

[Rondo To KG]

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Doesn't look like they fixed assists/blocks being simulated way too low. Not a single player in the league above 10 assists. Looks like I'll have to tweak my rosters again this year to get realistic stats.

[vtcha]

Re: Association Mode.... Looking Beyond Year 1

Wow

Danny Granger averaged more points than LeBron (who isn't even on the list!)
Westbrook averages more points than Durant
Amare Stoudemire over Dwight Howard in rebounds?
CP3 nowhere to be seen in top assists per game ..

[BluFu]

Re: Association Mode.... Looking Beyond Year 1

Something else I noticed and wanted to share:
- 2K stated that they worked on better draft classes but it appears to be much of the same. Point guards still rarely have above a 70 in three point shooting, there are no three point shooting big men, tendencies do not match a player's skill set, players still look mega generic, and to be honest most of the classes are just stupid overrated.

disappointing. thanks for the info CW

[CWSapp757]

Re: Association Mode.... Looking Beyond Year 1

Before I post the next batch of stats, vtcrb I had to hop off of the xbox but I haven't forgot about you. Ill check that stuff for you when I get back but I can confirm that D-League appears to be gone. Swagger, I hadn't looked at many trades but the only one I definitely remember from the first year was Kidd-Gilchrist )may have been someone else insignificant as well) and a first rounder for Cousins. Take that as you may. Achieve, unfortunately I will probably be working on the real draft classes with the Sim World crew for a month before I put out my own stuff. Sorry you'll have to wait but if I know 2K, we'll probably find a glitch and have to wait for a month anyway before we can officially start our Associations lol.

Also, I'm pretty sure this next post isn't going to make Swagger happy

[CWSapp757]

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Oh vtcha, Lebron was injured and only played 30 something games. That's probably why he wasn't on the list.

[CWSapp757]

Re: Association Mode.... Looking Beyond Year 1

Season of 2020-2021
Points per game
Derrick Rose/PG – 26.5
Kyrie Irving/PG – 23.7
Kevin Durant/SF – 23.7
Klay Thompson/SG – 23.7
Damian Lillard/PG – 21.9
Derrick Williams/PF – 21.8
Brandon Jennings/PG – 21.7
Leonard Lynch/PG – 20.9
Fidel Reyes/SF – 19.4
Preston Landry/PG – 19.4
Tyreke Evans/SG – 19.4
Steve Bowman/SG – 19.1
Stephon Nicholson/SF – 19.1
Jud Howell/PG – 19.0
Keith McGuire/SG – 18.8

Rebounds per game
Taylor Beasley/C – 11.3
Enes Kanter/C – 11.3
Anthony Davis/C – 11.1
Luka Pavic/C – 11.0
A.C Elliot/C – 11.0
Dwight Howard/C – 10.7
Douglas Bradshaw/C – 10.5
Blake Griffin/PF – 10.1
Thomas Robinson/PF – 10.0
Matvas Baiza/C – 10.0
Wade Burton/C – 10.0
Randall Wall/C – 9.9
Greg Monroe/C – 9.8
Wally Bender/PF – 9.7
Darryl McCleod/C – 9.6

Assists Per Game
Leonard Lynch/PG – 7.2
John Wall/PG – 7.1
Ricky Rubio/PG – 7.0
Brandon Jennings/PG – 7.0
Rajon Rondo/PG – 6.8
Grant Reeves/PG – 6.8
Jrue Holiday/PG – 6.8
Jud Howell/PG – 6.7
Preston Landry/PG – 6.5
Isaiah Thomas/PG – 6.4
Derrick Rose/PG – 6.3
Damian Lillird/PG – 6.2
Dario Dragic/PG – 6.1
Kyrie Irving/PG – 6.1
Chris Paul/PG – 5.9

Steals Per Game
Ricky Rubio/PG – 2.3
Kevin Durant/SF – 2.1
Tyreke Evans/SG – 2.0
Brandon Jennings/PG – 1.9
Leonard Lynch/PG – 1.9
Preston Landry/PG – 1.9
John Wall/PG – 1.8
Bradley Beal/SG – 1.8
Keith McGuire/SG – 1.7
Damian Lillard/PG – 1.7
Jud Howell/PG – 1.7
Chris Paul/PG – 1.7
Jeb Stokes/PG – 1.7
Mikita Kursov/SG – 1.6
Russell Westbrook/PG – 1.6

Minutes Per Game
Derrick Rose/PG – 37.5
Taylor Beasley/C – 37.4
Leonard Lynch/PG – 37.2
Brandon Jennings/PG – 37.1
Kyrie Irving/PG – 37.0
Stephon Nicholson/SF – 37.0
Derrick Williams/PF – 36.6
Kevin Durant/SF – 36.5
Patrick Peters/SG – 36.3
Nikita Kursov/SG – 36.2
A.C. Elliott/C – 36.0
Isaiah Thomas/PG – 36.0
Frederick Conley/PG – 35.9
Ryan Fowler/SF – 35.9
Blake Griffin/PF 35.8
Tyreke Evans/SG – 35.8
Kawhi Leonard/SF – 35.5
Michael Beasley/SF – 35.3
Klay Thompson/SG – 35.2
Keith Finley/PF – 35.2

Top Ten Point Guards
Ricky Rubio/TWolves/30 Years Old/97 OVR
Jeb Stokes/Hawks/24 Years Old/95 OVR
John Wall/Wizards/30 Years Old/95 OVR
Grant Reeves/Hornets/30 Years Old/94 OVR
Jud Howell/Magic/27 Years Old/93 OVR
Derrick Rose/Bulls/32 Years Old/93 OVR
Kyrie Irving/Grizzlies/29 Years Old/92 OVR
Damian Lillard/Blazers/30 Years Old/92 OVR
Brandon Jennings/Raptors/31 Years Old/91 OVR
Preston Landry/Mavs/26 Years Old/90 OVR

Shooting Guards
Keith McGuire/Cavs/28 Years Old/97 OVR
Bradley Beal/Mavs/27 Years Old/96 OVR
Nikita Kursov/Pistons/26 Years Old/94 OVR
Dion Waiters/Cavs/29 Years Old/94 OVR
Steven Bowman/Wizards/30 Years Old/94 OVR
Petar Popovic/Knicks/25 Years Old/91 OVR
Tyreke Evans/Lakers/31 Years Old/90 OVR
Matt Hudson/Raptors/28 Years Old/87 OVR
Evan Turner/Sixers/32 Years Old/87 OVR
Doug Anderson/Magic/26 Years Old/86 OVR

Small Forwards
Kevin Durant/Thunder/32 Years Old/96 OVR
Lonnie Brand/Clippers/26 Years Old/95 OVR
Howie Ingram/Magic/26 Years Old/92 OVR
Lebron James/Heat/36 Years Old/92 OVR
Al-Farouq Gordon/Thunder/26 Years Old/90 OVR
Harrison Barnes/Warriors/29 Years Old/90 OVR
Brad Oliver/Bobcats/26 Years Old/89 OVR
Stephon Nicholson/Kings/25 Years Old/88 OVR
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist/Hawks/27 Years Old/88 OVR
Malcolm Samuel/Raptors/28 Years Old/88 OVR

Power Forwards
Egor Kasparov/Spurs/27 Years Old/94 OVR
Derrick Favors/Knicks/29 Years Old/94 OVR
Derrick Williams/Rockets/29 Years Old/93 OVR
Blake Griffin/Clippers/32 Years Old/91 OVR
Wally Bender/Celtics/26 Years Old/90 OVR
Egor Nevsky/Celtics/29 Years Old/89 OVR
Thomas Robinson/Kings/30 Years Old/87 OVR
Peja Rodic/Pacers/25 Years Old/86 OVR
Anthony Randolph/Hawks/31 Years Old/86 OVR
Jackson Barkley/Grizzlies/26 Years Old/85 OVR

Center
Anthony Davis/Hornets/28 Years Old/97 OVR
Darryl McCleod/Bobcats/29 Years Old/96 OVR
Taylor Beasley/Cavs/26 Years Old/95 OVR
Douglas Bradshaw/Cavs/27 Years Old/95 OVR
A.C. Elliott/Heat/28 Years Old/95 OVR
Demarcus Cousins/Kings/30 Years Old/94 OVR
Dwight Howard/Magic/35 Years Old//92 OVR
Enes Kanter/TWolves/28 Years Old/91 OVR
Luka Pavic/Nuggets/26 Years Old/90 OVR
Martin Madsen/Jazz/27 Years Old/90 OVR



So basically, unless you don't mind your Association being a wreck as far as contracts go, the rosters will HAVE to get a complete makeover. So whether you wait the many great projects up here or do them yourself, something will have to be done. This... just isn't going to cut it.